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LmdCat

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How many times did Cam make dumb turnovers or even cost us points on defense?

Do you understand the difference in ball line defense versus pressure man to man?

Do you understand about switching defenses to allow certain players on the floor to leverage their skills? Cameron Mills wasn't capable of playing great man defense and he wasn't placed in situations that required it.
 

brianpoe

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Do you understand about switching defenses to allow certain players on the floor to leverage their skills? Cameron Mills wasn't capable of playing great man defense and he wasn't placed in situations that required it.


So we need to change our entire defense for Willis?


Keep em coming, you went from a shovel to a backhoe....
 
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Yes, please keep the matador in the game. I love watching turnstile defense. You don't get a rebound you should have or you forget about defense you sit. Simple as that. Obviously the stars of the team are going to get leeway.
 

DwayneMeighan

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This discussion is about a young man that could bring much needed scoring to the this team if he didn't have to worry about being jerked out of the game after every single mistake.

When Cal jerked Willis out of the game it was after three straight possessions. First possession he gave up a three pointer after being instructed for three days on how to guard that particular player and to absolutely not give him a three pointer, the next possession he had a nice put back dunk, and then the very next possession he committed a stupid foul on a 15 foot jump shot that resulted in two free throws.

Do the math. His two points didn't mean anything if he's directly responsible for giving up five points in a span of two trips on the defensive end That's a negative contribution. You can't do one good thing, but then immediately do 2-3 bad things. That's why he doesn't get a ton of minutes because +1 but -3 adds up to be very significant over 20 - 30 minutes of playing time.

That's what people like you fail to realize. His positives do not outweigh his negatives. This team does not need Willis to score. This team needs Willis to play tough defense and rebound the basketball. Who cares if he can make a few three pointers if he's giving up 10 points on silly defensive lapses, not rebounding and giving up 5 offensive boards. After it's all said and done, his "much needed" scoring results in a negative contribution to the team.
 

ManitouDan_anon

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Dwayne -- to be accurate Cal had a body at the table on the first possession after DW made the defensive mistake after only being in the game like 10 seconds .
 

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And just might be a reason why we get good players and win a bunch of games.

LMD enjoyed bitching about the drought since 98 until Cal came, now he has to find other reasons.
These guys complaining about Cal have completely forgot what it was like before he got here. He wins a title, has multiple final fours, and has dominated Louisville. I could list more positive things that the man has done but the real fans on here know exactly what I'm talking about. No need in explaining it any further.
 

LmdCat

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Shooting isn't Willis' issue. Defense and boards are.

He says things about getting guys into the NBA to get them here. Getting all these 5 stars is the reason we have had so much success under Cal. 4 FFs in 6 seasons. We all would have liked to win more NCs but Cal is doing amazing things.

I didn't say that Cal hasn't done some amazing things since being here. That is obvious and doesn't require me or anyone else to validate it. However, anyone that doesn't think that this poor shooting team could benefit from Willis' shooting is being dishonest or simply don't know basketball. When we play better teams, they will simply pack the lane and dare us to shoot the ball from the outside.
 

brianpoe

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I didn't say that Cal hasn't done some amazing things since being here. That is obvious and doesn't require me or anyone else to validate it. However, anyone that doesn't think that this poor shooting team could benefit from Willis' shooting is being dishonest or simply don't know basketball. When we play better teams, they will simply pack the lane and dare us to shoot the ball from the outside.


Like UL did?


 
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jedwar

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I didn't say that Cal hasn't done some amazing things since being here. That is obvious and doesn't require me or anyone else to validate it. However, anyone that doesn't think that this poor shooting team could benefit from Willis' shooting is being dishonest or simply don't know basketball. When we play better teams, they will simply pack the lane and dare us to shoot the ball from the outside.
If he gives up mores points than he gets and doesn't rebound as he should, that's a negative impact.
 

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Cameron Mills wasn't the man, but UK sure benefited from his 3 point shooting. Based on your thinking, we would have no place for a Cameron Mills on this team because he would never be "the man."

Interesting that you bring up mills in your argument for more minutes for Willis, since mills averaged 11.2 minutes per game his junior year and Willis averages 12.2.
 

DwayneMeighan

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Do you understand about switching defenses to allow certain players on the floor to leverage their skills? Cameron Mills wasn't capable of playing great man defense and he wasn't placed in situations that required it.
So Cal is supposed to just scrap his whole defensive philosophy for periods of the game, a philosophy that has had many of his teams ranked in the top 10 in defensive efficiency and instead play zone defense, a defense that he can't stand, a defense that he feels is inferior (like most coaches in the game of basketball), just to accommodate his 7th-8th man off the bench. Yeah, good call, coach. Here's a better idea, an idea that 99% of all coaches would have, how about that player just get better at playing defense.
 
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DwayneMeighan

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Dwayne -- to be accurate Cal had a body at the table on the first possession after DW made the defensive mistake after only being in the game like 10 seconds .
Yes, after the three pointer because he had been coached and instructed for three straight days on how to play that particular player, and to not under any circumstance give him an open three. What did Willis do 10 seconds in? He backed away from the guy, gave him enough space to easily get an open look and guess what? Three pointer buried. he should have been crowding him, trying to run him off the three point line, not giving him space and an open look. He did the exact opposite.
 
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Yes, I was amazed at this thread too and how many fans can take so many posts wrong. Even if we have an opinion that might be negative it doesn't mean we have to come back so hard at each poster. That is what this type of forum is for that we each get to discuss our opinions and we each are not going to agree on everyone's opinions or answers. My opinion on this matter was just saying that Willis reminds me Kyle Wiltjer and both were approx. 6'9 and both are weak on Defense and sometimes rebounding. The one positive with both of these players is that they can shoot and hit from 3. That is the reason the Wiltjer went to Gonzaga because of his weak 'D' and Mark Few doesn't look at the "D" as much as Coach Cal and other Head Coaches in the NCAA. That was the only thing I was trying to say in my opinion is that both Wiltjer and Willis remind me sometimes of each other with there with Weak 'D' but able to shoot from outside and also hit from 3 consistent when left open. Just comparing the two players on their Weakness to Play Defense but good outside shooters and good from hitting from 3.
 

LmdCat

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Interesting that you bring up mills in your argument for more minutes for Willis, since mills averaged 11.2 minutes per game his junior year and Willis averages 12.2.

I haven't looked to see how many minutes Willis played today. However, if Willis is averaging 12.2 minutes, most of those minutes came from much earlier in the season, which doesn't represent what has been occurring recently. Also, Mills didn't have to play while looking over his shoulder afraid to do anything in fear of making a mistake. Players play better when they are relaxed and it has been a long time since Willis was able to experience that.
 

LmdCat

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Yes, I was amazed at this thread too and how many fans can take so many posts wrong. Even if we have an opinion that might be negative it doesn't mean we have to come back so hard at each poster. That is what this type of forum is for that we each get to discuss our opinions and we each are not going to agree on everyone's opinions or answers. My opinion on this matter was just saying that Willis reminds me Kyle Wiltjer and both were approx. 6'9 and both are weak on Defense and sometimes rebounding. The one positive with both of these players is that they can shoot and hit from 3. That is the reason the Wiltjer went to Gonzaga because of his weak 'D' and Mark Few doesn't look at the "D" as much as Coach Cal and other Head Coaches in the NCAA. That was the only thing I was trying to say in my opinion is that both Wiltjer and Willis remind me sometimes of each other with there with Weak 'D' but able to shoot from outside and also hit from 3 consistent when left open. Just comparing the two players on their Weakness to Play Defense but good outside shooters and good from hitting from 3.

Don't waste your time trying to explain yourself. If you don't follow the herd, they will attempt to run over you. Just grow thicker skin and continue posting your thoughts. It only bothers them because your post is accurate and some feel to acknowledge that means Cal is less than perfect.
 

brianpoe

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Yes, I was amazed at this thread too and how many fans can take so many posts wrong. Even if we have an opinion that might be negative it doesn't mean we have to come back so hard at each poster. That is what this type of forum is for that we each get to discuss our opinions and we each are not going to agree on everyone's opinions or answers. My opinion on this matter was just saying that Willis reminds me Kyle Wiltjer and both were approx. 6'9 and both are weak on Defense and sometimes rebounding. The one positive with both of these players is that they can shoot and hit from 3. That is the reason the Wiltjer went to Gonzaga because of his weak 'D' and Mark Few doesn't look at the "D" as much as Coach Cal and other Head Coaches in the NCAA. That was the only thing I was trying to say in my opinion is that both Wiltjer and Willis remind me sometimes of each other with there with Weak 'D' but able to shoot from outside and also hit from 3 consistent when left open. Just comparing the two players on their Weakness to Play Defense but good outside shooters and good from hitting from 3.


Yes, but...totally different players. DW is not in the same stratosphere as Kwilt regarding 3 pointers and KW is not near as athletic as DW.

Gonzaga plays zone and doesnt put KW in positions to be hurt and he is not the only one on their team with a lack of athletic ability, thus they have to.

They are both white and tall, thats really about it. KW came in as a 5 star.
 

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Willis gets pulled after each (in Cal's mind) mistake while Murray and Briscoe are allowed free rein to make turnovers and miss shots.
It seems to me that Cal hates to see Willis succeed so he looks for any reason to pull him.
Meanwhile, the Cats have played great defense in the first half. And Cal made sure to criticize Derek for allowing ONE 3-pt FG during half-time interview. Way to throw Willis under the bus, Coach. Guess none of the other guys had any break downs in defense.
I have said in the past that I really question the mental status of some of the posters on here. This is exhibit A.
 
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DwayneMeighan

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Also, Mills didn't have to play while looking over his shoulder afraid to do anything in fear of making a mistake. Players play better when they are relaxed and it has been a long time since Willis was able to experience that.
If Willis wanted to be relaxed and not have to constantly look over his shoulder in fear of making a mistake, then maybe he shouldn't have mailed it in and dogged it during practice last year. Doing that would lose almost any coach's trust.
 

LmdCat

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If he gives up mores points than he gets and doesn't rebound as he should, that's a negative impact.

Well, I guess setting on the bench is just the think that will get him ready for March when his shooting will be needed. I believe some of you forget that Willis doesn't have a lot of experience, so if playing time is what the freshmen need, I don't know why you would fail to see that it would be good for Willis too.
 

brianpoe

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Don't waste your time trying to explain yourself. If you don't follow the herd, they will attempt to run over you. Just grow thicker skin and continue posting your thoughts. It only bothers them because your post is accurate and some feel to acknowledge that means Cal is less than perfect.


Really has nothing to do with Cal.

It is painfully obvious what happened tonight.

You just cant see it.

You want "fair"

You want Juniors to immediately come in the game and disregard 3 days of practice objectives and simply play through.

You want Juniors to play through silly mental turnovers.

We all love DW and we all want him to succeed but we are not blind.
 

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I haven't looked to see how many minutes Willis played today. However, if Willis is averaging 12.2 minutes, most of those minutes came from much earlier in the season, which doesn't represent what has been occurring recently. Also, Mills didn't have to play while looking over his shoulder afraid to do anything in fear of making a mistake. Players play better when they are relaxed and it has been a long time since Willis was able to experience that.
He got 9 minutes.
 

LmdCat

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If Willis wanted to be relaxed and not have to constantly look over his shoulder in fear of making a mistake, then maybe he shouldn't have mailed it in and dogged it during practice last year. Doing that would lose almost any coach's trust.

Were you at practice? How do you know that is what he did?
 

jedwar

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Well, I guess setting on the bench is just the think that will get him ready for March when his shooting will be needed. I believe some of you forget that Willis doesn't have a lot of experience, so if playing time is what the freshmen need, I don't know why you would fail to see that it would be good for Willis too.
I agree with this. But for him to earn that time, he must defend better and hit the boards.
 

DwayneMeighan

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when his shooting will be needed.
Again, unless he can play his role, defend and rebound, his shooting is irrelevant. For the last time, in the grand scheme of things, his couple of three pointers do not make up for what he allows on the other end of the floor.
 
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ManitouDan_anon

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Dwayne , on the immediate possession before DW blew his defensive assignment you think Cal might have instructed Briscoe not to dribble thru two defenders ? My intent isn't to rag on Isiah , but to show all players screw it up occasionally . And some get the leash to play on , some don't . I understand stars get leeway , they should . But Cal's patience with Derrick seems to be somewhere between 0 and 0.5 % .
 
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