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This isn’t the proper forum for a protracted debate on American Social issues but I’m respectfully curious do you think there is systematic racism in any area of American life? Criminal Justice, banking or housing sectors?
There may be isolated pockets but, to call something systemic is a very strong statement.
Starting with the definition; across the entire system rather than in very limited examples. Data that I have seen and widely available do not support the assertion of systemic racism. Example; the number of Blacks shot by police in 2020 actually decreased. Of that declining number, how many were shot because of racism or just incompetence?
That's not to say there aren't exceptions. There will always be exceptions. Basically, it is as useless to say that the criminal justice (or any) system is afflicted by systemic racism as it to say there are absolutely no or zero incidents.
 
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I mean what is he suppose to say ?😂. “I don’t stand by my players” ? he will say that even if he didn’t believe it. For “lifetime contract” millions of dollars. I would too, this is he’s livelihood
Considering his record this season he would have been better off not saying anything and, I don’t know, do some old fashion coaching.
 

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There may be isolated pockets but, to call something systemic is a very strong statement.
Starting with the definition; across the entire system rather than in very limited examples. Data that I have seen and widely available do not support the assertion of systemic racism. Example; the number of Blacks shot by police in 2020 actually decreased. Of that declining number, how many were shot because of racism or just incompetence?
That's not to say there aren't exceptions. There will always be exceptions. Basically, it is as useless to say that the criminal justice (or any) system is afflicted by systemic racism as it to say there are absolutely no or zero incidents.
Thank you for sharing your opinion...I really value hearing different viewpoints on various subjects from different people.
 

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I was stunned when the team took a knee at UF, and then to see Cal and the entire coaching staff doing the same thing, my immediate thought was Cal has lost complete control of this team. We are witnessing a total failure in leadership.

How do you think Nick Saban would have responded to his team if they came to him 90 minutes before the NC game and said we are going to take a knee during that National Anthem?

Well, that didn't happen. Do you know why it didn't happen? Leadership. Knowing how to handle difficult situations while maintaining discipline and respect. We are sorely missing that leadership at UK right now, and it shows.
I regret only that I can “like” this post but one time.
 
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this is the dumbest storyline.
This isn’t the proper forum for a protracted debate on American Social issues but I’m respectfully curious do you think there is systematic racism in any area of American life? Criminal Justice, banking or housing sectors?
There is well documented systematic racism against whites and asians in college admissions in favor of blks/hispanics. Every company in corporate america talks about how they want less whites and more blks in the workplace and the active measures they're taking to make it a reality. Uber eats has 'black owned restaurant' section, none for other races. Joe Biden says his priority is to help black owned businesses, no mention of whites. There is so much reverse racism going on today that there has literally never been a more advantageous time to be a black person in the US.
 

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Considering his record this season he would have been better off not saying anything and, I don’t know, do some old fashion coaching.
Exactly. This team is just not good. I think they need to focus on being a decent basketball team that doesn’t get blown out by 30 points at home or have the worst record since 1926. Rather than focus all their energy on social issues
 
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this is the dumbest storyline.

There is well documented systematic racism against whites and asians in college admissions in favor of blks/hispanics. Every company in corporate america talks about how they want less whites and more blks in the workplace and the active measures they're taking to make it a reality. Uber eats has 'black owned restaurant' section, none for other races. Joe Biden says his priority is to help black owned businesses, no mention of whites. There is so much reverse racism going on today that there has literally never been a more advantageous time to be a black person in the US.

Good lord.
 

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“The core of who I am is caring about kids.” Calipari

Cals latest picture on in the UK program guide
 

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All I can say to Toppin is you all didn’t care about the fans when you decided to take a knee and disrespect our military and dead soldiers and the The University of Florida, so why should we care about you all?

Holy dramatic...wow, hilarious
 

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I had not read this article until now, but thanks for posting. This supports my post of failed leadership by Cal. When both sides of an issue have problems with how you handled the issue, you probably either handled it perfectly or mishandled it completely.

I think it is the latter. Cal mishandled this mess from the get go and it is only going to get worse for him and UK. There is no place he can run and he sure can't hide.
He will be counting his $$$ money at center court LOL!!
 

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So many the misguided part of this entire saga.

1. If we had black people in the back of the bus, "whites allowed" vs. "black only" water fountains, etc...like 1960's, this would be different. But to kneel on a narrative that blacks are hunted down in streets and your evidence is:
- Michael Brown who assaulted a store owner and then a cop, tried to take his weapon and never was "hands up don't shoot"/shot in the back
- George Floyd...which ticked me off and 99% of all americans, cops were arrested and charged and case is working thru the system...Derek Chauvin has not gotten cleared of anything.
- Jacob Blake...shows up at girlfriend's place...violating a restraining order, dis obey all police orders to stop, tries to go for knife in his vehicle and get shots by police
- Rashard Brooks in Atlanta...passes out drunk at Wendy's drive thru, police show up, take him thru sobriety test that he clearly fails, fails a breath test, wrestles with cops, grabs a tazer, fires back at police while running away, gets shot by cops
- Breonna Taylor....former girlfriend of big drug dealer in Louisville, has a dead man found in a car she rented, video evidence of her having packages of money for drugs at her home, on fail house recordings helping in deals with Jamarcus Glover...was one of four arrest warrants served that day, her boy friend fires at police (mistakes them for somebody not police), police fire back and kill her.

I know there are other sides to these and other stories.....but these are being served as evidence that black people are being subject to systematic racism and hunted down. Many people feel like the cause players are about is more about how people feel moreso than tangible evidence. Even at that, as usual with this movement....nobody cares to offer any specifics on what change people are advocating for. Just platitudes with no specifics.

2. In conjunction with #1.....Cal has doubled down on this macho nonsense..."I stand by these kids no matter what", "he's never going to be against us", etc... and his silly pandering of white guilt this past summer interview when the previous 60 years he talked about being from tough part of Pennsylvania, eating baloney sandwiches, etc... So which is it...because he dang sure never intimated white guilt until 2020. So is the new norm "To have your brothers back even when they aren't seeing it right"....how does that narrative go?
 

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For the record, kneeling used to bother me. But then I started asking myself why do I care what these people do?

But this does remain true.

1.) Politics do not belong in sports.

2.) More people would get behind the police brutality thing if they weren't so busy fighting over people kneeling over the flag.

I'm fine with Cal backing his players too. But screaming about it on Twitter does nothing. Just further separation from a portion of the fan base. May be signs of losing it.

My take.

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For the record, kneeling used to bother me. But then I started asking myself why do I care what these people do?

But this does remain true.

1.) Politics do not belong in sports.

2.) More people would get behind the police brutality thing if they weren't so busy fighting over people kneeling over the flag.

I'm fine with Cal backing his players too. But screaming about it on Twitter does nothing. Just further separation from a portion of the fan base. May be signs of losing it.

My take.

Put me in that camp as well. In my case, I rolled my eyes at the kneeling initially, then I rolled my eyes at the overwrought reactions to the kneeling, then I rolled my eyes at the politicization of sports. Then a couple years passed and our political situation changed. Everything was political, and nuance was tired of being passed over at the dance and finally said, "f#@k it, I'm out." My eyes rolled some more.
Then 2020 happened and my mother proved right, as my eyes rolled and became stuck that way. So I no longer care about how people choose to make political statements, so long as they keep it peaceful.
1.) politics doesn't belong anywhere outside of politics, but here we are.
2.) More people would get behind the police brutality thing if it were allowed to be a police brutality thing instead of a race thing.
Also, I don't think any of this will land in this context. We have the fanbase of the historically greatest college basketball program in the midst of one of the historically worst seasons in the worst national climate in my lifetime.
So, yeah, spirits are high.
 
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So many the misguided part of this entire saga.

1. If we had black people in the back of the bus, "whites allowed" vs. "black only" water fountains, etc...like 1960's, this would be different. But to kneel on a narrative that blacks are hunted down in streets and your evidence is:
- Michael Brown who assaulted a store owner and then a cop, tried to take his weapon and never was "hands up don't shoot"/shot in the back
- George Floyd...which ticked me off and 99% of all americans, cops were arrested and charged and case is working thru the system...Derek Chauvin has not gotten cleared of anything.
- Jacob Blake...shows up at girlfriend's place...violating a restraining order, dis obey all police orders to stop, tries to go for knife in his vehicle and get shots by police
- Rashard Brooks in Atlanta...passes out drunk at Wendy's drive thru, police show up, take him thru sobriety test that he clearly fails, fails a breath test, wrestles with cops, grabs a tazer, fires back at police while running away, gets shot by cops
- Breonna Taylor....former girlfriend of big drug dealer in Louisville, has a dead man found in a car she rented, video evidence of her having packages of money for drugs at her home, on fail house recordings helping in deals with Jamarcus Glover...was one of four arrest warrants served that day, her boy friend fires at police (mistakes them for somebody not police), police fire back and kill her.

I know there are other sides to these and other stories.....but these are being served as evidence that black people are being subject to systematic racism and hunted down. Many people feel like the cause players are about is more about how people feel moreso than tangible evidence. Even at that, as usual with this movement....nobody cares to offer any specifics on what change people are advocating for. Just platitudes with no specifics.

2. In conjunction with #1.....Cal has doubled down on this macho nonsense..."I stand by these kids no matter what", "he's never going to be against us", etc... and his silly pandering of white guilt this past summer interview when the previous 60 years he talked about being from tough part of Pennsylvania, eating baloney sandwiches, etc... So which is it...because he dang sure never intimated white guilt until 2020. So is the new norm "To have your brothers back even when they aren't seeing it right"....how does that narrative go?

I would also like to ask what the heck happened to the outrage over the barberry guy in South Carolina? And why aren't we mad about Philando Castile anymore? Those were both, as far as I know, legitimately outrageous.
 
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I stand for my brothers and sisters in arms who was beside me in war, before me and those current and those who shall serve in the future.

We have fought for this country to be free and some have gave more than all.

I understand backing your players and backing their needs.

BUT..... a good education to help teach why we stand it’s to honor those who have served to fight for freedom.

My personal blood line also served in the civil war to help free the ones who kneel and if I was alive then I would have been right their with them.

just my 2 cents
 

K_TIME

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I would also like to ask what the heck happened to the outrage over the barberry guy in South Carolina? And why aren't we mad about Philando Castile anymore? Those were both, as far as I know, legitimately outrageous.
Philando Castile was a mess...100% agree. I don't know the South Carolina incident you're referring to.

Again, there are police encounters that are wrong. But to be fair, there are police encounters with whites that go bad. Police are prosecuted for said crimes most of time (not all). But this narrative is about police are looking to shoot black people and were working up over what...300 cases out of 48 Million black people. THis is sort of incredibly minute and the high majority of these cases we are protesting...the black person is committing crimes, resisting orders, etc...

The the stats are 1000-ish people die to police shootings and 30% or so are blacks. Granted blacks are about 15% of population so the rates are double but again black crime rate is higher than 15%... So again, where is all the evidence blacks are hunted down and/or systematically oppressed?


https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
 
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But it goes beyond police brutality.

That isn't the only social injustice that's happening. Although that does seem to be what most focus on.
 

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Philando Castile was a mess...100% agree. I don't know the South Carolina incident you're referring to.

Again, there are police encounters that are wrong. But to be fair, there are police encounters with whites that go bad. Police are prosecuted for said crimes most of time (not all).

The the stats are 1000-ish people die to police shootings and 30% or so are blacks. Granted blacks are about 15% of population so the rates are double but again black crime rate is higher than 15%... So again, where is all the evidence blacks are hunted down and/or systematically oppressed?


https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/


There South Carolina thing was actually a Georgia thing. I didn't look it up before, just posted based on memory. It was Ahmaud Arberry. It wasn't an officer involved shooting, but it was in the news just before George Floyd and got completely steamrolled out of the news by that event.
My point was mostly that we had a moment in time where we all collectively gapsed at what we saw with the George Floyd video, and could have made actual consensus-led progress on the state of policing in the country. I think a lot of people are uncomfortable with the militarization of police forces. Maybe those of us in less urban environments were late to the party, but that's because there's kind of an "alabama attitude, vandy trophy case" contrast when your rural deputy looks like a shock troop. Maybe there is a racial element to that slow realization, but let's get there by finding common ground and using grace with each other. We can't have that common ground anymore because politics has taken preeminance.
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Just want him gone now. I know enough now that it’s no longer about the program. Can’t think of a soul that I even sh would have succeeded more than Cal but I think we have all been taken for granted to an extent. Thanks for your time but please leave now Cal.
 
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