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gwjenning

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I mean what is he suppose to say ?😂. “I don’t stand by my players” ? he will say that even if he didn’t believe it. For “lifetime contract” millions of dollars. I would too, this is he’s livelihood
The issue is the “players” aren’t paying his salary. This is a conservative state that Trump won in a landslide.
Big time big money boosters have now flipped on Cal!
 

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What was he reasonably supposed to do? Tell his players they can’t kneel and express the frustration they feel with how they are treated by the society in the country in which they live? Yes, he could have done that he is the coach and has the final authority in the situation. But if he does that then our recruiting will fall off a cliff and recruiting African Americans to come live in an environment where they are told to “just shut up and dribble” becomes immensely more difficult. Almost every business tries to cater to it’s clientele so I can understand a coach catering to his players and his future players. Politics is sooooo toxic in this country right now and I wish that a a
I agree politics are very toxic right now and the country is very divided! I mean people are dying during protests!
I‘m saying this was a very bad idea to be the head coach of the most beloved sports program in the state! This is a conservative state! Big money loves Trump! Big money boosters love Trump!
I hate politics! But I know Cal screwed up by dragging politics into basketball.
He can say they took a knee for the riot at the capitol! A lot of people from this state were there and they think what happened on January 6th is ok!
 

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I agree politics are very toxic right now and the country is very divided! I mean people are dying during protests!
I‘m saying this was a very bad idea to be the head coach of the most beloved sports program in the state! This is a conservative state! Big money loves Trump! Big money boosters love Trump!
I hate politics! But I know Cal screwed up by dragging politics into basketball.
He can say they took a knee for the riot at the capitol! A lot of people from this state were there and they think what happened on January 6th is ok!
People died during protest last year too.
 
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2k comments within 30 minutes of posting to Facebook! And about 80% are negative directly calling Cal out.
I don’t think he can talk his way out of this one.
This is a conservative state that Trump won in a landslide. The majority of the people live and breathe KY basketball.
It’s not California or somewhere with multiple college and pro sports teams. You know big money boosters that were Cal fans have flipped!
Bad hand played by Cal on this one!
The product on the court is making it even easier for people to cut ties with him!
Good riddance! Maybe when Covid is under control regular folks can get some Courtside/ behind the bench seats.
 
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I agree politics are very toxic right now and the country is very divided! I mean people are dying during protests!
I‘m saying this was a very bad idea to be the head coach of the most beloved sports program in the state! This is a conservative state! Big money loves Trump! Big money boosters love Trump!
I hate politics! But I know Cal screwed up by dragging politics into basketball.
He can say they took a knee for the riot at the capitol! A lot of people from this state were there and they think what happened on January 6th is ok!
I totally understand where you are coming from and in a vacuum it was a very rough political decision to make in a very red state. But once his players approached him and asked for his permission to let them kneel he didn’t have many choices. He could only say: yes, no, or wait. And if he says no or wait he risks losing his players and if he says yes he risks losing a sizable portion of the fan base. He chose the players and I understand but he was forced into making a decision he didn’t choose voluntarily to make a political statement it was thrust upon him.
 
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He’s cracking
He really is.. this is like watching a crack in your windshield start from the size of a pebble and ending up like this

 
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Cal is just reaping what he has sown. If you sow to the wind, you will reap a whirlwind, and Cal is in the midst of a storm right now that he can't talk his way out of and his ego will not allow him to humble himself and apologize to the 80% of the UK fanbase that he has thumbed his nose at, and made fun of on more than one occasion.

What you're seeing from Cal is a total failure in leadership. Cal has mishandled KB and this BLM issue from the get go. Now, he is going all in by saying I support my players above all else.

When the players came to Cal right before the UF game (I'll admit, in business we would have called a chicken **** move like that an ambush, and these players ambushed Cal and did not give him an opportunity to bounce the issue off of Mitch or other mentors he may have wanted to speak to before giving them an answer.)

These players talk about wanting to have a conversation and about wanting respect for their actions, but that stunt they pulled at UF and the way they sprung it on Cal at the last minute, shows that they not only do not have any respect for Cal (reaping from his own players first culture), and, they do not respect their opponent or their own fanbase.

It seems obvious to me from Cal's comments concerning how much he loves and appreciates the fans and know they love the players, that Cal and Mitch are in full crisis recovery mode since that fiasco in Florida, and then to come out and play like you don't even care about winning against Alabama, Cal's lack of leadership has come full circle for this team.

Cal has nowhere else to go with this issue. Anything he says or does from here on out will only make the issue worse for him, Mitch, and UK. That is not a good recipe for long term success in his current job.

Cal could have, and should have simply told the players that the UF game in their building was not the time nor the place to stage a protest by kneeling during the National Anthem. He could have told them that we will meet and discuss our options when we get back to Lexington.

If the players refused to take the court under those circumstances, then so be it, they really are not looking for a solution, they are looking to create a problem, for Cal, for the University, and for UF.

Cal is still the coach. He is still supposed to be the CEO of this program. His attempt at absconding his responsibilities by conferring his power over to the players does not relieve his accountability to facilitate and maintain the UK basketball program at a high level.

Choosing to start a war of words over an incident that could have been avoided with good leadership by Cal and the players, with probably 80% of your fan base is not going to end well for Cal or Mitch........or UK.
 

ManitouDan_anon

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Cal is just reaping what he has sown. If you sow to the wind, you will reap a whirlwind, and Cal is in the midst of a storm right now that he can't talk his way out of and his ego will not allow him to humble himself and apologize to the 80% of the UK fanbase that he has thumbed his nose at, and made fun of on more than one occasion.

What you're seeing from Cal is a total failure in leadership. Cal has mishandled KB and this BLM issue from the get go. Now, he is going all in by saying I support my players above all else.

When the players came to Cal right before the UF game (I'll admit, in business we would have called a chicken **** move like that an ambush, and these players ambushed Cal and did not give him an opportunity to bounce the issue off of Mitch or other mentors he may have wanted to speak to before giving them an answer.)

These players talk about wanting to have a conversation and about wanting respect for their actions, but that stunt they pulled at UF and they way they sprung it on Cal at the last minute, shows that they not only do not have any respect for Cal (reaping from his own players first culture), and, they do not respect their opponent or their own fanbase.

It seems obvious to me from Cal's comments concerning how much he loves and appreciates the fans and know they love the players, that Cal and Mitch are in full crisis recovery mode since that fiasco in Florida, and then to come out and play like you don't even care about winning against Florida, Cal's lack of leadership has come full circle for this team.

Cal has nowhere else to go with this issue. Anything he says or does from here on out will only make the issue worse for him, Mitch, and UK. That is not a good recipe for long term success in his current job.

Cal could have, and should have simply told the players that the UF game in their building was not the time nor the place to stage a protest by kneeling during the National Anthem. He could have told them that we will meet and discuss our options when we get back to Lexington.

If the players refused to take the court under those circumstances, then so be it, they really are not looking for a solution, they are looking to create a problem, for Cal, for the University, and for UF.

Cal is still the coach. He is still supposed to be the CEO of this program. His attempt as absconding his responsibilities by conferring his power over to the players does not relieve his accountability to facilitate and maintain the UK basketball program at a high level.

Choosing to start a war of words over an incident that could have been avoided with good leadership by Cal and the players, with probably 80% of your fan base is not going to end well for Cal or Mitch........or UK.


man this a home run post . well stated , very well stated . I said similar in another thread that day , Cal let himself be held hostage and he had to know that moment may come when an individual player or more wants to take a knee .. Cals flippant response of " whatever guys" was a horrible choice. Any everyone will pay.
 

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I totally understand where you are coming from and in a vacuum it was a very rough political decision to make in a very red state. But once his players approached him and asked for his permission to let them kneel he didn’t have many choices. He could only say: yes, no, or wait. And if he says no or wait he risks losing his players and if he says yes he risks losing a sizable portion of the fan base. He chose the players and I understand but he was forced into making a decision he didn’t choose voluntarily to make a political statement it was thrust upon him.
I understand where you are coming from too. I don’t like politics and don’t get into all of it. Cal was put in a bad spot of choosing to support his players or not. I would not have wanted to be put in that situation myself.
I just know from watching what’s going on in this country we are very divided. And I know KY is a state that is very Pro Republican and Pro Trump!
I don’t know how Cal survives this.
 

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who is this "they" you refer to? the players who knelt?

The BLM movement if it were for the right reasons. They are using violence to promote more violence.. The George Floyd issue was front and center-most every person had to question where we were as a nation and more importantly, what do we do about it after watching that video. The best chance to address the issue was then. Instead, they took over cities, burned them to the ground, looted, beat people, and pillaged whole communities.

I can’t get behind that just as I can’t get behind storming the capital. Every freaking person that rioted, looted, and caused damage under the BLM movement and the people who entered the capital building should be treated, and go on trial as terrorists.
 
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man this a home run post . well stated , very well stated . I said similar in another thread that day , Cal let himself be held hostage and he had to know that moment may come when an individual player or more wants to take a knee .. Cals flippant response of " whatever guys" was a horrible choice. Any everyone will pay.
I was stunned when the team took a knee at UF, and then to see Cal and the entire coaching staff doing the same thing, my immediate thought was Cal has lost complete control of this team. We are witnessing a total failure in leadership.

How do you think Nick Saban would have responded to his team if they came to him 90 minutes before the NC game and said we are going to take a knee during that National Anthem?

Well, that didn't happen. Do you know why it didn't happen? Leadership. Knowing how to handle difficult situations while maintaining discipline and respect. We are sorely missing that leadership at UK right now, and it shows.
 

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Cal is just reaping what he has sown. If you sow to the wind, you will reap a whirlwind, and Cal is in the midst of a storm right now that he can't talk his way out of and his ego will not allow him to humble himself and apologize to the 80% of the UK fanbase that he has thumbed his nose at, and made fun of on more than one occasion.

What you're seeing from Cal is a total failure in leadership. Cal has mishandled KB and this BLM issue from the get go. Now, he is going all in by saying I support my players above all else.

When the players came to Cal right before the UF game (I'll admit, in business we would have called a chicken **** move like that an ambush, and these players ambushed Cal and did not give him an opportunity to bounce the issue off of Mitch or other mentors he may have wanted to speak to before giving them an answer.)

These players talk about wanting to have a conversation and about wanting respect for their actions, but that stunt they pulled at UF and the way they sprung it on Cal at the last minute, shows that they not only do not have any respect for Cal (reaping from his own players first culture), and, they do not respect their opponent or their own fanbase.

It seems obvious to me from Cal's comments concerning how much he loves and appreciates the fans and know they love the players, that Cal and Mitch are in full crisis recovery mode since that fiasco in Florida, and then to come out and play like you don't even care about winning against Alabama, Cal's lack of leadership has come full circle for this team.

Cal has nowhere else to go with this issue. Anything he says or does from here on out will only make the issue worse for him, Mitch, and UK. That is not a good recipe for long term success in his current job.

Cal could have, and should have simply told the players that the UF game in their building was not the time nor the place to stage a protest by kneeling during the National Anthem. He could have told them that we will meet and discuss our options when we get back to Lexington.

If the players refused to take the court under those circumstances, then so be it, they really are not looking for a solution, they are looking to create a problem, for Cal, for the University, and for UF.

Cal is still the coach. He is still supposed to be the CEO of this program. His attempt at absconding his responsibilities by conferring his power over to the players does not relieve his accountability to facilitate and maintain the UK basketball program at a high level.

Choosing to start a war of words over an incident that could have been avoided with good leadership by Cal and the players, with probably 80% of your fan base is not going to end well for Cal or Mitch........or UK.

Preach brother....
 

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Whether they are right or wrong, the players feel a certain way, and they are the ones who play the game. It's a tricky subject. You can't alienate the vast majority of highschool basketball players and still expect them to come play here.

I'm just trying to envision the type of team we'd field, if our coach and university actually listened to some of these fans, and came down on players for this, not standing by them.. by 2024 it would be a team full of Berts and Tanners and we'd wind up being ranked around 325th.

You can't have it both ways. You can't demand the players to have the same viewpoint as you and turn around and expect there to be enough talent to be a top10 team. That will never happen. Maybe 70 years ago. Not now. If you think anything more than 5% of the top500 players gives a **** about your politics, as a fan in the stands, and is going to do what you want.. you're mistaken.. and you might as well just give up on sports as a whole. We're not going back to the 50's.
 

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Cal is just reaping what he has sown. If you sow to the wind, you will reap a whirlwind, and Cal is in the midst of a storm right now that he can't talk his way out of and his ego will not allow him to humble himself and apologize to the 80% of the UK fanbase that he has thumbed his nose at, and made fun of on more than one occasion.

What you're seeing from Cal is a total failure in leadership. Cal has mishandled KB and this BLM issue from the get go. Now, he is going all in by saying I support my players above all else.

When the players came to Cal right before the UF game (I'll admit, in business we would have called a chicken **** move like that an ambush, and these players ambushed Cal and did not give him an opportunity to bounce the issue off of Mitch or other mentors he may have wanted to speak to before giving them an answer.)

These players talk about wanting to have a conversation and about wanting respect for their actions, but that stunt they pulled at UF and the way they sprung it on Cal at the last minute, shows that they not only do not have any respect for Cal (reaping from his own players first culture), and, they do not respect their opponent or their own fanbase.

It seems obvious to me from Cal's comments concerning how much he loves and appreciates the fans and know they love the players, that Cal and Mitch are in full crisis recovery mode since that fiasco in Florida, and then to come out and play like you don't even care about winning against Alabama, Cal's lack of leadership has come full circle for this team.

Cal has nowhere else to go with this issue. Anything he says or does from here on out will only make the issue worse for him, Mitch, and UK. That is not a good recipe for long term success in his current job.

Cal could have, and should have simply told the players that the UF game in their building was not the time nor the place to stage a protest by kneeling during the National Anthem. He could have told them that we will meet and discuss our options when we get back to Lexington.

If the players refused to take the court under those circumstances, then so be it, they really are not looking for a solution, they are looking to create a problem, for Cal, for the University, and for UF.

Cal is still the coach. He is still supposed to be the CEO of this program. His attempt at absconding his responsibilities by conferring his power over to the players does not relieve his accountability to facilitate and maintain the UK basketball program at a high level.

Choosing to start a war of words over an incident that could have been avoided with good leadership by Cal and the players, with probably 80% of your fan base is not going to end well for Cal or Mitch........or UK.
Awesome spot on post
 

ManitouDan_anon

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God knows I'm hard on Cal but I dont see anything wrong with what Cal said IF ... IF you support kneelers . What did Yahoo want ?? Him to denounce Trump and all his followers as Nazi's ?? YES thats exactly what Yahoo wanted and thats why they didnt like his answers , which , as I stated , you perfectly in line with people who support kneeling . Screw Yahoo. They are pathetic .