Cal ruined this team.

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Like jedwar said, Cal started to force the ball down to Bam rather than playing to our guards strengths. That killed our flow.

That and our players seem like they don't give a crap.
What team have you been watching that that forces the ball down to Bam. I would venture to guess Bam does not even average 10 shots per game and he should be averaging 10 per game. I feel like our guard play is what is part of the problem. We have transformed into a dribble dribble dribble team.
 
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Graves51

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What team have you been watching that that forces the ball down to Bam. I would venture to guess Bam does not even average 10 shots per game and he should be averaging 10 per game. I feel like our guard play is what is part of the problem. We have transformed into a dribble dribble dribble team.
He doesn't get shots off because he has 0 post moves, he has opportunities. He really is not very good.
 

kyups01

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Like jedwar said, Cal started to force the ball down to Bam rather than playing to our guards strengths. That killed our flow.

That and our players seem like they don't give a crap.
I never really thought about that but it lines up time line wise and is a great theory. I'm on board.
 
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He doesn't get shots off because he has 0 post moves, he has opportunities. He really is not very good.
Let see he shots 60% from the field, only gets on average 7 shots per game, I don't think that is the Cats problem, you need to look out front and figure out why our guard play is falling off this past few games, have teams figured out how to guard us out front or what. Not very good, lord help us.
 

Graves51

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Let see he shots 60% from the field, only gets on average 7 shots per game, I don't think that is the Cats problem, you need to look out front and figure out why our guard play is falling off this past few games, have teams figured out how to guard us out front or what. Not very good, lord help us.
Yes, if its not a dunk or within 2 feet he can't get a shot off, Marcus Lee was a better post player. If you judge Bam as a post player, he is NOT very good.
 

brianpoe

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I think the big issue is that the guards were taking bad shots and hardly ever going inside.

Bam had a great FG %.

So it makes sense to go inside more...

But we go to extremes, either outside or inside.

We are not good enough to be a one option offense be it outside or inside.

Monk must be more disciplined - Monk and Fox should only shoot rarely.

Bam needs to post lower and kickout quicker when double teamed - and at times get the ball right back when available.
 

Jakarii

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For those who don't know much about basketball, games get harder in conference because you go against coaches who have coached against you every year so they know what you like to run on top of plenty of scouting tape. In OOC teams look much better vs coaches who don't face you as much and don't know you're tendencies
 

Ky_Bred_Cat

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This year's team, not unlike last years team, is unbalanced and lacks depth.

Briscoe and Monk's style and needs are not compatible, cohesive pieces. I wouldn't be surprised if it went further than that. I for one was not enthused about Briscoe returning for this season.

I think Fox does the best he can even though he sometimes tries to do too much and takes shots he shouldn't. I think he usually adds much more than he takes away.

Bam is limited offensively but in his defense he has no help inside whatsoever. Another strong inside player would really help. He is all we have inside.

Willis gives inconsistent threes and a few rebounds. That is it.

Gabriel is frustrating. Never has such an active motor produced so little. If only his timing and skill were just a little better.

The team, as well as Bam, would really benefit from good, inside defender and rim protector. If this would allow Bam to play the 4 that would be ideal.

The team has no real 3 or 4. We're being taken advantage of at both positions.

The team has very little depth. If we were a great team, Willis and Gabriel both come off the bench. Hawkins and Mulder play sparingly and the rest see little to no playing time.
 
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jackcarlson

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I continue to say AND believe that this team is actually built for the post-season. That means we will lose regular season road games, and sometimes not look good doing so. I am also delighted to see us playing some zone defense. There will be times in the NCAAT when we need to get the ball into Bam, and play zone. But, guard play is THE most important determinant of who wins in April. I think we have that covered.
 

brianpoe

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I continue to say AND believe that this team is actually built for the post-season. That means we will lose regular season road games, and sometimes not look good doing so. I am also delighted to see us playing some zone defense. There will be times in the NCAAT when we need to get the ball into Bam, and play zone. But, guard play is THE most important determinant of who wins in April. I think we have that covered.


I agree with the guard play analogy, but we cannot be doubled up on rebounds.

Bam has no replacement, so foul trouble could be a killer.

We must improve on defense.

Our 4 position has to be come consistent.

3 spot is what is.


This could be Cal's best coaching year if we go far in the tourney or his worst roster structure.
 

WeepNoMore

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Back in November and December we looked like the best team in the country. The guys were having a blast on the court. Now we look like an NIT team full of miserable players who spend most of the game arguing with the refs and each other.

I don't know what Cal did to them but i wish he had left them alone.

To summarize succinctly, the early success against vastly inferior teams reinforced and cast in stone the team's AAU mentality--outscore your opponent, me-first, little to no defense. IMHO, at this point in time this team seems uncoachable.

See my post under the thread "What really happened?" for more details.

To blame Coach Cal for this team's shortcomings is baseless and naive.
 

Ky_Bred_Cat

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I wouldn't be surprised if Briscoe's drop in play is due to a growing frustration and realization that his chances of playing in the NBA are fading. It sure wouldn't help if his limitations were being further exposed by a brand new, elite defender in practice. Just speculating...
 

larry the cable guy

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Like jedwar said, Cal started to force the ball down to Bam rather than playing to our guards strengths. That killed our flow.

That and our players seem like they don't give a crap.

I think this is a lot of the problem as well. We just seem out of our element in the half court. Early in the season Cal could be heard yelling for them to go and now he seems to tell them to slow down. I honestly feel he is trying to hard to slow the game and get the ball to Bam which is not playing to the strengths of this team but then again I am not getting paid millions of dollars to coach so what do I know?
 

letitrainuk_rivals88012

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Just came here to post it. Instead of letting guards free flow like they were, and Bam get what comes to him, Cal forced the issue and it disrupted everything.
The way I took it was that Cal wanted the ball to go into Bam to let the guards know he would pass back out if he's doubled. The guards were starting to attract too much of the def. A lot of the time Bam was open.
Now Bam most the time playing soft because hes getting in foul trouble. That's my opinion though.
 
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irishcat1965

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We can't run like that in the tournament. If we try we'll be gone. We can't maintain trying to score 100 every night. Our defense isn't good enough and they won't play it while expelling 100% of their energy flying up and down the court.

He's trying to shorten the game up a bit and get Bam to be a high percentage threat. We will need it in the tournament because our defense isn't good enough to rely on low percentage shots.

I agree Cal messed with what worked at the time. But Cal knows they would be one bad shooting night from gone if Bam can't establish himself. So far Bam is a wuss and won't demand the respect or finish and create trust.
I can't disagree with these points. Ironically, UK may be standing at 20-3 or 21-2 if he had left well enough alone. But he clearly saw fool's gold once they got in the tournament. But there is no doubt it has been a painful two weeks adjusting.
 
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jopo

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I think some of these opinions have been stated without much thought. We should be very thoughtful because we might get what we think we want.
 

turkeywildturkey

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Back in November and December we looked like the best team in the country. The guys were having a blast on the court. Now we look like an NIT team full of miserable players who spend most of the game arguing with the refs and each other.

I don't know what Cal did to them but i wish he had left them alone.

Posts like this don't deserve a response, other than to say "you're a fricking idiot".
 

kyjeff1

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Like jedwar said, Cal started to force the ball down to Bam rather than playing to our guards strengths. That killed our flow.

That and our players seem like they don't give a crap.
I can't argue with this. Our strength is our backcourt, not Bam.
He starts 3 guards, because that's where we have the advantage over almost every team in the country, yet he has them feeding a guy that is not skilled enough to score over other good bigs.
Back in November and December this team was ripping decent teams by 30+, but right now we are struggling with everybody and the only thing we have to point to is the philosophy change.
He tried to do this last year with Skal, he was never a back to the basket player, neither is Bam, but he's trying to make him one. He's not Kat or Cuz, he's a face up 4, nothing more.
I'm no coach, I know I hold no candle to Cal, he's a good coach, but he's not doing what he said he does, he's not playing to his teams strengths, he's trying to change them to fit what he wants them to be.
 

Wall2Boogie

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We need to stop forcing the ball into the post. This has been a definitive change after December.

Post up basketball being a key to success is one of the biggest basketball myths of all time. As far as points per attempt goes, this year post ups get 0.79 points per shot attempt. Meanwhile, a corner three yields 1.29. A layup gets you 1.8 pts per attempt.

So why do teams attempt to score off of post up moves down low? "Because that's the way you play the game."

For those that don't like stats or analytics, just compare the last 3 seasons of Villanova Basketall with Georgia Basketball. That's all you really need to do.
Rayorder in da house!!!!!! Have you ran into ramel bradley lately? Maybe you could run into some of our other players and give them some pointers on how to be more efficient. That thread you had was pure gold. Thank you for your contributions
 

kyjeff1

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For those who don't know much about basketball, games get harder in conference because you go against coaches who have coached against you every year so they know what you like to run on top of plenty of scouting tape. In OOC teams look much better vs coaches who don't face you as much and don't know you're tendencies
We have a different team every year. Also, Rick Barnes has only been here a couple of years. Oh yeah, Mike White, 2 years also.
 

UKCatNnc

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So pull Bam and whoever is playing the 4 out to the 3 point line and let our guards drive to the basket. That's what good teams do to us.
Why would they come out to guard Bam? He has not shown any ability to shoot from any distance. Go Cats!!
 

yoshukai

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Dec 21, 2002
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I'd be more apt to agree if Diallo was playing and taking minutes. How does a kid who is not even getting/taking minutes negatively impact the team? He can't be anything but an upgrade to go against in practice, so what is the issue?

Or is it the fact that team is just lacking some pieces, plays a small 3 guard lineup with 1 shooter being relied upon to hit, and has a hole at SF, and a PF who has to masquerade as a Center and has limited and robotic post moves? The bench is bad, although I'd give Dom Hawkins some shoes next game instead of the ice skates or whatever the hell he was wearing that forced him to slip/fall on the court all night. Willis is an unmotivated, soft minded guy who is a good front runner. Humphries isn't a UK caliber player. Neither is Wynyard. Briscoe is a Slice recruit and plays like that. Some love that gritty, street ball, pound the ball into the ground and create a shot for myself game. I think UK is better with him scoring 8-10 a game and deferring. I also think they'll be better when he leaves. Others disagree.

Great coaches can have off years and I agree that Cal has done a poor job to this point with this team. They haven't shown a proven leader, yet he's taking trips/time off as if they can be trusted in the hands of a leader. UK isn't paying Cal to have Ulis coach the team or Briscoe. The Ulis coached team had worst results of any NCAA UK team under Cal. This one could surpass that unless he takes over and starts doing his job. That doesn't mean to yell/scream and try to make these guys into past UK greats. It means find a way they can play their best TOGETHER and adjust to coaching them that way--and force them to play that way. Or take people's minutes and stage away from them. But he's had a ****** year imo as a Coach to this point in terms of understanding this group isn't as elite as he may have assumed. And he certainly has done a lot of things away from the program that benefit him and don't benefit UK.

Do think he's understanding this program needs to move away from small ball and get bigger and he's recruited like it. My friend who has some insight mentioned that Cal privately thinks this group is too soft and he can't stand 2 players on the team. He may say publicly how much he "loves his team" but he's realizing need for size and toughness.
Thing is , one of the players he LOVES is a player you and I think is killing us . In fact , he says it's his team .
 

carolinacat

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I can't disagree with these points. Ironically, UK may be standing at 20-3 or 21-2 if he had left well enough alone. But he clearly saw fool's gold once they got in the tournament. But there is no doubt it has been a painful two weeks adjusting.
Maybe last year's experience in the tournament is influencing him. I thought he gave up on Skal a little too early last year. When we got to the tourney, we had zero inside post game.
 

carolinacat

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So pull Bam and whoever is playing the 4 out to the 3 point line and let our guards drive to the basket. That's what good teams do to us.
Willis and Gabriel are already permanently camped out on the 3 point line...assume it's at coach's insistence.
 

kodakkodak

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I wish Bam would either shoot before the double team comes or pass the ball out when it does.
 

KYFOSSIL

Heisman
Jan 13, 2005
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Yes, if its not a dunk or within 2 feet he can't get a shot off, Marcus Lee was a better post player. If you judge Bam as a post player, he is NOT very good.
Wrong.. he has made several 15 footers. He is a freshman that is still developing. He's called for BS and he gets mugged. His biggest need for improvement is rebounding but that is do
Regardless limited by being called for fouls. To say he is not very good shows little to no basketball knowledge.
 

kyjeff1

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Our rebounding comes and goes. But this is the worst defense I can remember at UK.
The numbers say different. I don't know how old you are, but we had a top 10 defense not too long ago, we don't have to look but 9 years back to find some of the worst defense UK has ever played. Surely you're older than 9.
Our rebounding problems have shown to be bad on KenPom all season and it reared its ugly head last Saturday night.
 

shutzhund

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Our opponents are clogging the lane and it is stopping our offense. Go Cats!!


That has been the staple stop UK defense for quite a few years. Evidently there's no way to combat it.

Also defense and rebounding, especially for this team, is a mystery wrapped in an enigma.

You would think, with all these losses and near losses, AAU ball would have been knocked out of them by now.
 
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uky8unc5

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The numbers say different. I don't know how old you are, but we had a top 10 defense not too long ago, we don't have to look but 9 years back to find some of the worst defense UK has ever played. Surely you're older than 9.
Our rebounding problems have shown to be bad on KenPom all season and it reared its ugly head last Saturday night.
Uh....I played college basketball in the 60's (played against Cotton Nash). I think I am qualified for this discussion as older than 9 and insightful about our issues.

In my humble opinion...It is defense, first and foremost. Rebounding is effort, which did not exist last game.
 

uky8unc5

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The numbers say different. I don't know how old you are, but we had a top 10 defense not too long ago, we don't have to look but 9 years back to find some of the worst defense UK has ever played. Surely you're older than 9.
Our rebounding problems have shown to be bad on KenPom all season and it reared its ugly head last Saturday night.
Just curious...what is your age and resume?