Cal has been very quiet lately

revcort

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Fair enough, but consider if I thought badly of someone or thought they were a troll I wouldn’t bother making repeatedly making a critique in the first place. I myself could say things more kindly, I’m sure though.

In the end you take the good with the bad, and we all have some bad, and try to focus on the good. And if you can’t accept the bad it’s just best to ignore the person altogether. Appreciate the food for thought!
I like this fallback position better than the previous post. I'll just ignore that one. We could all do better, no doubt. There are literally hundreds of posts on here insulting and making sophomoric jokes at the expense of our coach, offering nothing productive and no solution. I don't see you correcting those. If I were insulting Calipari right now, you'd just laugh and agree. You wouldn't say a word about my being a mod or that I should be kinder and gentler than others.

Truth is, you just primarily dislike my comments because they don't agree with your current stance. I have not personally attacked anyone, by the way, and I wouldn't. I have made a general statement regarding the current atmosphere on this message board, and I believe it is accurate. I had a friend who used to say "If you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that yelps is the one you hit." So, if you're not making unhelpful, immature, baseless comments about the coach, then I'm not directing anything toward you. If you are insulted that someone thinks it's bad to insult and demean our coach and call for his firing when it is not reasonable and shouldn't happen right now, I don't know what else to say.
 

revcort

Heisman
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You are way out of line with Ill but he's a man.

I have serious issues with Cal. The first; kneeling and the second kneeling with his team. (Toss out the politics) The character of Cal should be as it has been which is promoting his players first mentality and basketball. (Cal hid his tendencies for the most part before that incident happened. (It does not matter what anyone states, Cal hid his personal tendencies previously though most knew where he was coming from.)

That move was as counterproductive as any move I have seen in the sports environment (I know, other teams and coaches have "done" it.) What happened was, Cal lost his authority of this team at that moment! (Debate the rights and wrongs of it all you want either for, or against it.) This teams first focus was no longer basketball, it was something less AND, the coach was not calling the shots any longer. That is not good enough to win. (Debate how, when, where or why in some other forum.) Cal made a HUGE mistake I am not sure he can overcome. Call it my opinion or whatever you wish, I will not debate.

I still state it will take Cal somehow, un-kneeling to right this mess. (I hope he can.)(Maybe it will take an entirely new team to remove that huge blunder.) He has to regain authority and that will be his biggest challenge to date. I hope he can...

This is as much as I have posted in any regular forum in a long while. I did this mostly because Ill is posting in this forum. I trust him, I respect him. That respect came over a lot of years! If what I posted needs to be edited or deleted I will hold no ill-will if he does it.

Cal and the team's demise comes down to their intestinal fortitude. They never had enough to overcome where Cal's previous teams could. Just not enough will to overcome the slightest adversity.
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said here. I agree with you on the kneeling entirely, by the way. I do not think it accomplishes what it is intended to accomplish. To me, there are other, better ways to make a statement. All it does is it makes people angry. It is an affront to the flag, to the anthem, to our nation, to all those serving in the military today, and to all those who have died so that this flag can wave. I am with you wholeheartedly on that.

I also agree that Cal lost the team after the kneeling happened in Florida. I agree that the team lost its focus at that moment. They won that game but they lost their focus when the reactions to their kneeling weren't all positive. (again, it didn't accomplish what they thought it would) It is no coincidence they went on a losing streak right there.

For my part, I was not happy with Calipari at all for allowing that and for kneeling with them. At the very least, he should have told them he wouldn't join them in kneeling. I guess the question becomes, what should my response to them be? I have spoken out against it but I haven't stopped supporting the team and the coach because of it. I think it is an example of going with the flow of the culture. In some ways, I don't think they know any better and they believe they are doing good and helping by drawing attention to issues they think are unjust. I admire their desire to stand up to right some wrongs, I just disagree with their method. (I may also disagree with what they believe are wrongs that need to be righted, or can be righted by kneeling during the anthem)

I have hope things can be better and I believe Calipari can right the ship. If he can't and the whole thing becomes a political statement and a stop off to the NBA with little winning, I will join you and even ABlockapypse more fully. :)

Not a word of that needs to be edited. I never edit posts for content.
 

KyFaninNC

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I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said here. I agree with you on the kneeling entirely, by the way. I do not think it accomplishes what it is intended to accomplish. To me, there are other, better ways to make a statement. All it does is it makes people angry. It is an affront to the flag, to the anthem, to our nation, to all those serving in the military today, and to all those who have died so that this flag can wave. I am with you wholeheartedly on that.

I also agree that Cal lost the team after the kneeling happened in Florida. I agree that the team lost its focus at that moment. They won that game but they lost their focus when the reactions to their kneeling weren't all positive. (again, it didn't accomplish what they thought it would) It is no coincidence they went on a losing streak right there.

For my part, I was not happy with Calipari at all for allowing that and for kneeling with them. At the very least, he should have told them he wouldn't join them in kneeling. I guess the question becomes, what should my response to them be? I have spoken out against it but I haven't stopped supporting the team and the coach because of it. I think it is an example of going with the flow of the culture. In some ways, I don't think they know any better and they believe they are doing good and helping by drawing attention to issues they think are unjust. I admire their desire to stand up to right some wrongs, I just disagree with their method. (I may also disagree with what they believe are wrongs that need to be righted, or can be righted by kneeling during the anthem)

I have hope things can be better and I believe Calipari can right the ship. If he can't and the whole thing becomes a political statement and a stop off to the NBA with little winning, I will join you and even ABlockapypse more fully. :)

Not a word of that needs to be edited. I never edit posts for content.
You may be a Mod here, but you are also a UK fan and a poster. Therefore you are entitled to post your opinions.

I have made my thoughts clear since 2016 that I hated the OAD, I still do. The Walls, Cousins, KAT of the world should go. But we have been losing guys that go undrafted and I have seen nothing from Cal that he is trying to change that for 5 years.

I also have said Cal deserved a chance to fix this. However, when they took a knee, that was too much, crosses a huge redline for me. The BLM thing Cal catered to was bad enough, but that showing of dis-respect was too much.

Then we continue to lose games and display crappy basketball, and Cal lashes out at the fans. That was the final nail in his coffin for me.

I have never asked for him being fired because of the contract. I want him to do the right thing and quit. I see-no signs of him changing at all.
 

RalphDaltonFan

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The one thing that I hope Cal does as he says-mentioned he was going to watch his "friends" coach-well I hope that means Mark Few, Nate Oats, I hope he's somehow friendly with Dana Altman too, because the speed/style of offense is enjoyable to watch. That is where Kentucky must improve, defensively they were good enough to be in games, they just had lousy offensive execution and guard play aside from Mintz hot streak down stretch.

Now here's what scares me, Cal's "good friends" we know are Mark Turgeon and Rick Barnes. Nothing about either I'd watch and emulate unless it was to try and get some much needed sleep.
 

csrupp

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If we could stop hating on the man for 5 seconds and give him some small benefit of the doubt (no longer possible here, I know), we would all likely speculate what he's been busy doing. After the worst season in his own history as a coach and UK, he is likely working harder than ever before to correct the debacle that just happened, whatever it may take. Don't let me interrupt the dart throwing here, though. By all means, the intelligence displayed in this thread, and on this board, is truly breathtaking. 🙄
Keep insulting the customer. That's bound to be a good business model.
 

SemperFiCat

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Kentucky Basketball.... IT'S ALIVE!!!!!
"Abi something. ...Abi Normal". LOL!!
 

ShadowFromHomewardBound

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The analogy is more people are throwing rocks at Cal, who actually has asked rocks be thrown at him and is paid well for it. Then you throw rocks (insults) at everyone in the thread and the board, not just specific posters. Now you may have only meant specific posters saying specific things, but your phrasing was general enough to insult anyone.

I’ve pointed this out to you before, maybe stop insulting peoples intelligence on the board because you disagree with them. You’d probably say that’s other people’s problem, but truly it’s yours and very immature behavior from a mod to repeatedly be throwing insults and “fighting fire with fire”.

Well stated. With all due respect it’s just surprising to see a Mod act that way.
 

John Henry

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One thing Calipari should do and do it now is end Pro Day. Pro Day has not and will not help our program one bit. There is nothing positive about it and a whole lot of negative about it.

Calipari needs to send a message to recruits UK is not a minor league for the NBA. If the main reason a recruit gives for coming is to hang around waiting for the draft then find another team to go to. One and done has been a bust for not only Kentucky but also Duke.

It has seen its time and it is time to move on and end Pro Day.
 

rbky53

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No matter what happens I will be watching every game next season. Need to have better results next season. This season was one of the most difficult ones I have experienced in my 60 years of being a cat fan. As always GBB
 

bnewt

Heisman
May 29, 2001
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11,022
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Cal deserves zero pass for the way he handled Boston and Askew this season while we lost game after game after game. He wouldn’t even as much as try Mintz as the point or give Allen extended minutes.

Also, he gets no pass for making Allen his whipping boy in his press conferences, just because he was mad at the fanbase. He made an absolute *** of himself this year. He deserves every ounce of criticism he’s getting. Every single ounce.

totally agree with you......he continued to play his favorites even though they were stinking up the joint

he continues to use the home grown kids as his whipping boy...…..Allen is taking over where Willis left off.
Funny thing both payed pretty well when given a fair opportunity, but unless you are a 5* recruit, you don't get the same treatment.

all the constant yelling & glaring when a mistake is made
you can't improve if you don't play

how many mistakes does Cal continue to make year after year, playing kids out of position, just to fit his agenda. He never alters his style to fit the players. Its his way or the highway, yet kids that transfer out play much better when they receive solid coaching
 

KyFaninNC

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totally agree with you......he continued to play his favorites even though they were stinking up the joint

he continues to use the home grown kids as his whipping boy...…..Allen is taking over where Willis left off.
Funny thing both payed pretty well when given a fair opportunity, but unless you are a 5* recruit, you don't get the same treatment.

all the constant yelling & glaring when a mistake is made
you can't improve if you don't play

how many mistakes does Cal continue to make year after year, playing kids out of position, just to fit his agenda. He never alters his style to fit the players. Its his way or the highway, yet kids that transfer out play much better when they receive solid coaching
/thread
 

cats#1again

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I have a question if you care to give your opinion.....do you see any possible way out of this mess? I only see two options.

1) Dominate recruiting again. Get the best of the best every year. Guys that actually are worthy of one and done. Guys like Wall, Boogie, KAT, AD, Murray and many more. I can't see this happening since Cal has not gotten these guys in a while, but more importantly, they aren't going to be available now as the cream of the crop will all go to the G league.

2) Change the one and done style of recruiting. I honestly think Cal would change this if he could. Every guy that comes in now either heads to the NBA after a year (whether ready or not) or feels they have to transfer as they are going to get recruited over. I'm not sure how we keep people like Johnny Juzang going forward. I think kids with NBA aspirations are afraid they are viewed as a failure if they can't do it in a year at UK. The multi year guys either don't come or they leave.

I'd love to see something change but I just don't know how you can change recruits'/players' line of thinking with Cal at UK. I'm not sure this is fixable with the current landscape in college basketball.
The only way is not recruiting talent that can play their first year.
Look at Herro. The kid was supposed to be here 2/3 years
 

univky12

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The thing I've experienced this season that never has happened before is so much anger, threats to put me on ignore, and being told I'm a jerk for simply disagreeing with the current narrative and daring to make an argument. Having an actual conversation about basketball never happens anymore. If you have hope for any future where Calipari is still the coach, well, you're an idiot. Wait, let me make this post acceptable- Cal should die a painful death! There, it's all better now. :D

Wait, in your post just above this, you question the intelligence of anyone who may have issues with how Cal is doing things.

2 way street for sure...
 

revcort

Heisman
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Wait, in your post just above this, you question the intelligence of anyone who may have issues with how Cal is doing things.

2 way street for sure...
No, I question the intelligence of anyone demanding his firing right now. I question the way Cal is doing things myself. Something must change. I think the first thing that must change is the turnover rate of players, not necessarily those with a legit NBA shot, but all the other guys we keep losing to transfer and who declare with no real options: guys like Jemarl Baker, Johnny Juzang, Ashton Hagans, and EJ Montgomery. If we can keep those guys, we can have some continuity year to year.

He's not being fired right now or for the foreseeable future. The best way forward is for Cal to fix this mess. I believe he can and will. If he won't fix it and we keep having to rebuild from scratch, he's not gonna last much longer.
 

KyFaninNC

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No, I question the intelligence of anyone demanding his firing right now. I question the way Cal is doing things myself. Something must change. I think the first thing that must change is the turnover rate of players, not necessarily those with a legit NBA shot, but all the other guys we keep losing to transfer and who declare with no real options: guys like Jemarl Baker, Johnny Juzang, Ashton Hagans, and EJ Montgomery. If we can keep those guys, we can have some continuity year to year.

He's not being fired right now or for the foreseeable future. The best way forward is for Cal to fix this mess. I believe he can and will. If he won't fix it and we keep having to rebuild from scratch, he's not gonna last much longer.
Well. He is not off to such a good start of keeping them.
 
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I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said here. I agree with you on the kneeling entirely, by the way. I do not think it accomplishes what it is intended to accomplish. To me, there are other, better ways to make a statement. All it does is it makes people angry. It is an affront to the flag, to the anthem, to our nation, to all those serving in the military today, and to all those who have died so that this flag can wave. I am with you wholeheartedly on that.

I also agree that Cal lost the team after the kneeling happened in Florida. I agree that the team lost its focus at that moment. They won that game but they lost their focus when the reactions to their kneeling weren't all positive. (again, it didn't accomplish what they thought it would) It is no coincidence they went on a losing streak right there.

For my part, I was not happy with Calipari at all for allowing that and for kneeling with them. At the very least, he should have told them he wouldn't join them in kneeling. I guess the question becomes, what should my response to them be? I have spoken out against it but I haven't stopped supporting the team and the coach because of it. I think it is an example of going with the flow of the culture. In some ways, I don't think they know any better and they believe they are doing good and helping by drawing attention to issues they think are unjust. I admire their desire to stand up to right some wrongs, I just disagree with their method. (I may also disagree with what they believe are wrongs that need to be righted, or can be righted by kneeling during the anthem)

I have hope things can be better and I believe Calipari can right the ship. If he can't and the whole thing becomes a political statement and a stop off to the NBA with little winning, I will join you and even ABlockapypse more fully. :)

Not a word of that needs to be edited. I never edit posts for content.
Well, I'm glad I read the entire thread since you explained your position, as well as thoughts, more concisely, in this post. FWIW, I've always had a lot of respect for you, as you have always articulated your thoughts as a UK fan very well.

Like many UK fans, I've felt Cal's system was utterly unsustainable, and this past season is verifiable proof of that. Cal MUST have the best of the best of the HS seniors in order to be successful, and for the first five years it worked but, using the pyramid analogy, it began to crumble the last several years, which was inevitable.

What happened? He no longer is able to bring in the "can't miss" upper echelon of the elite HS guys, and instead has been forced, ( G league, other schools signing some of those guys), to sign the lower ranked seniors, along with attempting to navigate the transfer market. The problem here is that most, if not all, of these guys need more than one year to do many things: acclimate to the speed of the college game; get stronger physically because they are no longer playing against lesser competition/weaker players/ guys who simply aren't as good as they are, etc.; learning what a new coach expects from them, etc, etc, etc.

Cal needs to get back to the coach he once was, which is teaching these young men the basic fundamentals of the game, because, more often than not, far too many of them, regardless their ranking, and how many stars are beside their name in recruiting rankings, are not being taught how to shoot, block out, etc., because, IMHO, AAU ball fails these players, and instead glorifies the player over the team. Basketball is, and has always been, a team game.

Again....IMHO, Cal thinks he's smarter and "above" us UK fans; look no further than his snide comments directed towards us fans, who were here before him, and will still be here long after he's resting comfortably in his retirement with his multi-million dollar nest egg. Basketball is a GAME, it's not brain surgery, nor rocket science, plenty of us understand the GAME, and the X's and O's involved.

We aren't asking for much: field a team every year that realistically has a shot at a FF; build a roster that is sustainable year after year, and show some respect to the fans who, without whom the Kentucky dynasty wouldn't be possible, and finally, keep your liberal politics out of our program. (ANY politics for that matter)

Will he change course and implement any/all of this? I have serious doubts frankly; a tiger doesn't change it's stripes, and I honestly believe Cal's ego is too big to ever admit he's wrong, but for the benefit of the program I hope he does, because our idiot AD has placed the university in such a horrible predicament due to his contract.
 

carolinacat

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The thing I've experienced this season that never has happened before is so much anger, threats to put me on ignore, and being told I'm a jerk for simply disagreeing with the current narrative and daring to make an argument. Having an actual conversation about basketball never happens anymore. If you have hope for any future where Calipari is still the coach, well, you're an idiot. Wait, let me make this post acceptable- Cal should die a painful death! There, it's all better now. :D
That's a lot of hyperbole as well. There are quite a few legitimate discussions about his coaching acumen and recruiting strategy. You have to weed through a lot of the nonsense to get at the relevant discussions, but alas that's the way things go on a free internet board.
 

ACTSEAN

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Oh they must change. He has to get away from this AAU type of atmosphere and back to a team oriented, family oriented atmosphere. He needs to value shooting over athleticism and experience over talent.

I keep having flashbacks of his Memphis teams, they looked like the team we had this year. Long and could run but couldn’t make free throws. That kind of make up is just not who wins tourneys. Very good talent obviously but you have to be able to coach make adjustments during the game. He hardly ever does that and just hides behind the “Tweak coming” crap
 

Cowtown Cat

Heisman
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I keep having flashbacks of his Memphis teams, they looked like the team we had this year. Long and could run but couldn’t make free throws. That kind of make up is just not who wins tourneys. Very good talent obviously but you have to be able to coach make adjustments during the game. He hardly ever does that and just hides behind the “Tweak coming” crap
We’ve had several teams that couldn’t shoot FTs and has cost us multiple title shots. That 2014 team immediately comes to mind. Your assessment is spot on, though.
 

revcort

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Well, I'm glad I read the entire thread since you explained your position, as well as thoughts, more concisely, in this post. FWIW, I've always had a lot of respect for you, as you have always articulated your thoughts as a UK fan very well.

Like many UK fans, I've felt Cal's system was utterly unsustainable, and this past season is verifiable proof of that. Cal MUST have the best of the best of the HS seniors in order to be successful, and for the first five years it worked but, using the pyramid analogy, it began to crumble the last several years, which was inevitable.

What happened? He no longer is able to bring in the "can't miss" upper echelon of the elite HS guys, and instead has been forced, ( G league, other schools signing some of those guys), to sign the lower ranked seniors, along with attempting to navigate the transfer market. The problem here is that most, if not all, of these guys need more than one year to do many things: acclimate to the speed of the college game; get stronger physically because they are no longer playing against lesser competition/weaker players/ guys who simply aren't as good as they are, etc.; learning what a new coach expects from them, etc, etc, etc.

Cal needs to get back to the coach he once was, which is teaching these young men the basic fundamentals of the game, because, more often than not, far too many of them, regardless their ranking, and how many stars are beside their name in recruiting rankings, are not being taught how to shoot, block out, etc., because, IMHO, AAU ball fails these players, and instead glorifies the player over the team. Basketball is, and has always been, a team game.

Again....IMHO, Cal thinks he's smarter and "above" us UK fans; look no further than his snide comments directed towards us fans, who were here before him, and will still be here long after he's resting comfortably in his retirement with his multi-million dollar nest egg. Basketball is a GAME, it's not brain surgery, nor rocket science, plenty of us understand the GAME, and the X's and O's involved.

We aren't asking for much: field a team every year that realistically has a shot at a FF; build a roster that is sustainable year after year, and show some respect to the fans who, without whom the Kentucky dynasty wouldn't be possible, and finally, keep your liberal politics out of our program. (ANY politics for that matter)

Will he change course and implement any/all of this? I have serious doubts frankly; a tiger doesn't change it's stripes, and I honestly believe Cal's ego is too big to ever admit he's wrong, but for the benefit of the program I hope he does, because our idiot AD has placed the university in such a horrible predicament due to his contract.
Well said WildcatWelder. I agree with pretty much every word you've written here. And I appreciate you giving me a chance to explain my position before giving me up entirely. :)

The only part I might push back on, only slightly, is the perceived attitude Cal has toward the fans. I agree he has displayed a negative attitude toward fans and made snide comments and implied they know less than he does and have no clue how to make a basketball program and team run well. I agree his attitude hasn't helped the situation.

The push back from me would come in how to respond to his comments and attitude. Yes, UK fans do know the game, probably as well as any fans in the world. I've found UK fans to be extremely knowledgeable. The downside to this is that you've got a Commonwealth full of coaches who have all the answers. And we are a rabid group (I'm including myself there) who follow our team, know their points, rebounds, assists, shooting percentages, and on and on. We know their efficiency stats. And we also want to know everything that happens, in every workout, in every practice, and we follow the team with a magnifying glass and a fine tooth comb. So, Cal hears it from fans. And when the team is struggling, he's hearing 100,000 opinions from 100,000 expert coaches. So, I'm not excusing his smarmy comments. He should be mature enough to handle the situation better. But when you're enduring the worst season in your career and you're struggling, those voices in your ear with all the answers are hard to hear. I'm saying it has to be a struggle and most of us would probably run our mouths in the same situation, especially as the losses keep piling up.

I try to have a bit of empathy if I can in these situations, though I'm not always successful in doing so. He has been a good coach, though he wasn't this season.

But hey, I appreciate your comments here. I understand why you're skeptical and doubt a tiger will change his stripes. That is a legitimate position to take because he has shown himself stubborn and a bit narcissistic. I want to be optimistic and I know the man can coach. He's made the Hall of Fame because he's done the job at multiple schools, with elite talent and without elite talent. So, he's got to adjust. It's now or never. Another 9-win season, or even a season where we don't make the NCAA and he's going to truly be feeling the heat. There is more to say, but I've written a book.
 

Jmeeks54thebest

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No, I question the intelligence of anyone demanding his firing right now. I question the way Cal is doing things myself. Something must change. I think the first thing that must change is the turnover rate of players, not necessarily those with a legit NBA shot, but all the other guys we keep losing to transfer and who declare with no real options: guys like Jemarl Baker, Johnny Juzang, Ashton Hagans, and EJ Montgomery. If we can keep those guys, we can have some continuity year to year.

He's not being fired right now or for the foreseeable future. The best way forward is for Cal to fix this mess. I believe he can and will. If he won't fix it and we keep having to rebuild from scratch, he's not gonna last much longer.
So my grandfather who served in this country in two wars and won‘t watch another UK game until he’s gone is dumb for wanting him fired? He’s aware of the contract, doesn’t care, wants him gone, and will tolerate an interim coach until a better coach can be lured with a bigger available contract offer.

Some people have priorities over basketball wins, that doesn‘t make them unintelligent. People can want him fired and realize it’s not financially doable atm to sign a real replacement immediately at the same time.

I personally don’t care either way what UK does with his contract. He’s lost my support. And it doesn‘t make me stupid to place my country and those who sacrificed their lives for it above UKs success as a program (If you can even call what we’re currently experiencing “success”).

I do enjoy and respect you as a poster. I think you have a bit tunnel vision here, though.
 

kyjeff1

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I'm assuming every coach that isn't in the tournament right now, is scrambling to see who might be transferring FROM their program, while communicating the guys who ARE transferring from other programs.

Is it also not possible that Cal knows how bad this year is? And knows talking about draft night isn't a wise move.. Knows to probably keep quiet for a bit?

I just don't know why some assume Cal is just OK with this year and winning 9 games. Don't you think he's doing some serious work, trying to fix this from several angles? Because if he's not, if all he really cares about is draft night and woke movements, he won't be employed much longer. I don't care about the buyout, he puts up another stinker of a year and he's gone. I imagine he knows that.
See the bolded part.
Cal talked down to UK fans for most of the season, still talks about UK like it's a 2 year university, blamed the fans, blamed the players, blamed COVID, blamed youth, has lost all his good assistant coaches, bragged about NBA draft picks and contracts since he got here, created the culture and hasn't admitted wrong doing himself.
I guess for me, that's why I don’t trust it. I think he's too invested in his love for the NBA to give it up cold turkey.
I need to see it to believe it. In order for him to actually change the culture, he will have to admit wrongdoing and fault.
 

KyFaninNC

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So my grandfather who served in this country in two wars and won‘t watch another UK game until he’s gone is dumb for wanting him fired? He’s aware of the contract, doesn’t care, wants him gone, and will tolerate an interim coach until a better coach can be lured with a bigger available contract offer.

Some people have priorities over basketball wins, that doesn‘t make them unintelligent. People can want him fired and realize it’s not financially doable atm to sign a real replacement immediately at the same time.

I personally don’t care either way what UK does with his contract. He’s lost my support. And it doesn‘t make me stupid to place my country and those who sacrificed their lives for it above UKs success as a program (If you can even call what we’re currently experiencing “success”).

I do enjoy and respect you as a poster. I think you have a bit tunnel vision here, though.
Great post. Like you and your grandfather. There are some things greater and more precious than basketball wins. Many on here don’t understand that.
 

LineSkiCat14

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See the bolded part.
Cal talked down to UK fans for most of the season, still talks about UK like it's a 2 year university, blamed the fans, blamed the players, blamed COVID, blamed youth, has lost all his good assistant coaches, bragged about NBA draft picks and contracts since he got here, created the culture and hasn't admitted wrong doing himself.
I guess for me, that's why I don’t trust it. I think he's too invested in his love for the NBA to give it up cold turkey.
I need to see it to believe it. In order for him to actually change the culture, he will have to admit wrongdoing and fault.


That's kind of where I am at as well. Next year is a prove-it type of year.

Not sure what coaches ever admit "wrong doing", though.. or say "I'm sorry for mocking the fringe portion of the fanbase". I highly doubt you hear these things from him.

He's likely going to be forced into some forms of change. I don't expect him to change all of what I posted.. And I don't think someone can make THAT many adjustments, and fully implement them, in just one year. I really just care about winning.

If he's not the guy in a year, maybe two, we move on.
 

UKortho

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Great post bowfreak.
There is a way out of this mess. The short term fix for this particular team begins with retaining several of these players and working with them this offseason to prepare to be a better team in 2021-22. I believe we will see a good number of these players return. Losing Boston and Clarke may not be such a bad thing.

Retain players... There is no question in my mind, the guys this team needed were Johnny Juzang, Jermarl Baker, Ashton Hagans, and EJ Montgomery. It wasn't so much the guys who left with legitimate NBA offers awaiting. It was the guys who left to transfer or with no real NBA prospects. If Cal could keep those guys, the full roster turnover wouldn't keep happening. Now, I don't know what is being said behind closed doors- if Cal is pushing these guys out the door or if the mind-set of returning to UK for another season is seen as a failure- or if they are being recruited over and just want out. Whatever is happening needs to change.

New philosophy: it is better to return players who may not have had a great season (known commodities) than to take a bunch of new guys and transfers of similar talent who will be starting from scratch at this school, with this staff, and playing with each other. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

I think that as a long term philosophy would completely change the direction of the program. It might mean we miss out on some freshmen recruits, but the wholesale rebuild every year just can't keep happening. I really do think that would fix the whole thing.

He can still go out and try to recruit the best players every season, even guys who could potentially leave after a year, but he's got to keep the other guys around to have some continuity and some experience entering the next season.

And by the way, I think Calipari sees this- he just mentioned that the game is changing and recruiting is changing in his final Monday call-in show. I hope we see changes.

And listen folks, I get irritated at many of you, but I understand the frustration. I've been very frustrated this season. I fume when I see Juzang winning the game for UCLA when I know he should still be at UK. That's the guy we needed on the wing at small forward. And I also know that, though Calipari isn't going anywhere right now, if something doesn't change, his time is coming. I don't think he wants to go out that way, so I fully expect he's working his butt off to fix this thing right now.
Good post. I agree with nearly everything. My concern- can he adjust? Players transfer because of the favoritism due to an arbitrary ranking. 5 stars can do whatever they want without consequences. Cal must have really had a good conversation with Allen regarding next year. Otherwise, he had every reason to get out. So maybe Cal is changing. In the end, I just don’t think he can adapt. Could be wrong.
 

westerncat

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Well, I'm glad I read the entire thread since you explained your position, as well as thoughts, more concisely, in this post. FWIW, I've always had a lot of respect for you, as you have always articulated your thoughts as a UK fan very well.

Like many UK fans, I've felt Cal's system was utterly unsustainable, and this past season is verifiable proof of that. Cal MUST have the best of the best of the HS seniors in order to be successful, and for the first five years it worked but, using the pyramid analogy, it began to crumble the last several years, which was inevitable.

What happened? He no longer is able to bring in the "can't miss" upper echelon of the elite HS guys, and instead has been forced, ( G league, other schools signing some of those guys), to sign the lower ranked seniors, along with attempting to navigate the transfer market. The problem here is that most, if not all, of these guys need more than one year to do many things: acclimate to the speed of the college game; get stronger physically because they are no longer playing against lesser competition/weaker players/ guys who simply aren't as good as they are, etc.; learning what a new coach expects from them, etc, etc, etc.

Cal needs to get back to the coach he once was, which is teaching these young men the basic fundamentals of the game, because, more often than not, far too many of them, regardless their ranking, and how many stars are beside their name in recruiting rankings, are not being taught how to shoot, block out, etc., because, IMHO, AAU ball fails these players, and instead glorifies the player over the team. Basketball is, and has always been, a team game.

Again....IMHO, Cal thinks he's smarter and "above" us UK fans; look no further than his snide comments directed towards us fans, who were here before him, and will still be here long after he's resting comfortably in his retirement with his multi-million dollar nest egg. Basketball is a GAME, it's not brain surgery, nor rocket science, plenty of us understand the GAME, and the X's and O's involved.

We aren't asking for much: field a team every year that realistically has a shot at a FF; build a roster that is sustainable year after year, and show some respect to the fans who, without whom the Kentucky dynasty wouldn't be possible, and finally, keep your liberal politics out of our program. (ANY politics for that matter)

Will he change course and implement any/all of this? I have serious doubts frankly; a tiger doesn't change it's stripes, and I honestly believe Cal's ego is too big to ever admit he's wrong, but for the benefit of the program I hope he does, because our idiot AD has placed the university in such a horrible predicament due to his contract.


Great post and i agree 100 % . I hope Cal is also going to make changes on is staff. Someone on the staff or Cal is not evaluating some of these player correctly. Boston and Clarke should not have been 5 *'s in my option as they liked basic skills that players should have. Not great shooters and not great handles.

And Cal does have his favorites and that was clearer shown this year. Boston's butt should have been sitting on the pine and Allen taken more of his minutes. I could go on but most of the problems have been discussed on here.
 

kyjeff1

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The one thing that I hope Cal does as he says-mentioned he was going to watch his "friends" coach-well I hope that means Mark Few, Nate Oats, I hope he's somehow friendly with Dana Altman too, because the speed/style of offense is enjoyable to watch. That is where Kentucky must improve, defensively they were good enough to be in games, they just had lousy offensive execution and guard play aside from Mintz hot streak down stretch.

Now here's what scares me, Cal's "good friends" we know are Mark Turgeon and Rick Barnes. Nothing about either I'd watch and emulate unless it was to try and get some much needed sleep.
Exactly, I think Cal's defensive scheme can be elite at times, but it will be far better with veteran players that remain disciplined from tip to buzzer.
He has to couple that defense with an elite level offense. If he does that, the defense will look even better. You can only get so many stops against good offenses, you have to score.
 
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revcort

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So my grandfather who served in this country in two wars and won‘t watch another UK game until he’s gone is dumb for wanting him fired? He’s aware of the contract, doesn’t care, wants him gone, and will tolerate an interim coach until a better coach can be lured with a bigger available contract offer.

Some people have priorities over basketball wins, that doesn‘t make them unintelligent. People can want him fired and realize it’s not financially doable atm to sign a real replacement immediately at the same time.

I personally don’t care either way what UK does with his contract. He’s lost my support. And it doesn‘t make me stupid to place my country and those who sacrificed their lives for it above UKs success as a program (If you can even call what we’re currently experiencing “success”).

I do enjoy and respect you as a poster. I think you have a bit tunnel vision here, though.
Don't want you to think I am ignoring your post. I just don't really have an answer, to be honest. If that is his reasoning, I can't argue and I fully understand.
 

kyjeff1

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One thing Calipari should do and do it now is end Pro Day. Pro Day has not and will not help our program one bit. There is nothing positive about it and a whole lot of negative about it.

Calipari needs to send a message to recruits UK is not a minor league for the NBA. If the main reason a recruit gives for coming is to hang around waiting for the draft then find another team to go to. One and done has been a bust for not only Kentucky but also Duke.

It has seen its time and it is time to move on and end Pro Day.
This. I can't stand the fact that Cal does pro days. Those need to stop.

I wouldn't totally hate it if it was at the end of the season, but this is a college program.

If he was recruiting college basketball players, he wouldn't need to do all this weird NBA first crap to get recruits. UK, the fanbase and the facilities should be all he needs.

He's been doing all this pro day and NBA culture stuff for recruiting, yet he's not getting the top 5 kids that are ready to dominate, he’s only getting projects.
 
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Cowtown Cat

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Sucks that last years team might've been our best FT shooting team under Cal and they never got a chance to see what couldve been. Oh well.
I know, man. We had three really good guards, too. Providing Hagans was engaged and playing a team game. In that scenario, we had the best trio of guards in the country.
 
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