CA. Fair pay to Play Act

[IGNORE]

I do think there are good lawyers and bad lawyers; you'll never hear me say all lawyers are bad. But I do think that many bad lawyers create, or at least contribute to, these messes which then require a lawyer to untangle.

They created their own mess. They wrote their own laws. They are prone to the self interested. I will say it. Lawyers failed. They presumed a level of ethics not demonstrated and deserve the punchline that they have become.

Our judicial system has failed and needs a redo.

 

[mission_cat]

At the expense of 99+% of the male and female college athletes who won’t get deals and whose participation in college sports is funded almost entirely by football related revenues. How ironic is it that the Party promoting government imposed wealth redistribution from a few to the many in the private sector is pioneering just the opposite among college athletes?

GOUNUII

lol this makes zero sense, but i bet it sounded great typing it out!

 

[CaliforniaCat_rivals209738]

lol this makes zero sense, but i bet it sounded great typing it out!

It makes complete sense to me and I fully agree with it.

You may need to work a little more on comprehension as well as capitalization.

 

[Gladeskat]

The school's revenues are not affected, so support for current sports will continue as before. But why shouldn't Zion Williamson be able to promote shoes for Nike?

Because the bottoms tear out causing injuries?

 

[GOUNUII]

lol this makes zero sense, but i bet it sounded great typing it out!

There’s a cheap shot hit and run coward in every crowd.

 

[wildcat229]

https://www.latimes.com/california/...athlete-endorsement-deals-ncaa-california-law

Wonder about the potential impact on Title IX? Will there have to be some kind of “revenue sharing” across the spectrum of athletes and schools, including women athletes? Interested to see the NCAA response to all of this and legal challenges sure to crop up. Impacts on the California schools in the PAC12 which opposes the measure. Will Stanford, Cal, USC and UCLA have an “unfair” recruiting advantage compared to their non-Cali brethren schools in the PAC12? Buckle up, it’s going to be a bumpy ride.

Some have opined that there is no impact on Title IX since the NIL payments are not made by the schools, but rather third parties.

 

[willycat]

If that's the case, then Willycats' argument makes no sense. He wrote:

"Well it's obvious that you agree that millionaires and not the workers should get some of the money they are making for the schools. To bad."

So this money were talking about is not what the athletes have made for their schools. It's about a brand new stream of strictly commercial products that don't exist now and will have no benefit whatsoever to the schools. Do I have that right?

You're confused. I was referring to how much money the schools, the coaches, AD's and the Athletic Department takes in. Fitzphile is talking about the new money that the players/workers will be able to make for themselves.

 

[hdhntr1]

I think absent quick addition of other states, NCAA will move to quash this by disqualifying all CA teams.

And this year they could ban all IL teams and no one would notice

 

[IGNORE]

And this year they could ban all IL teams and no one would notice

Interesting point - if the NCAA holds there ground and kicks out all schools using disqualified athletes, or simply bans them from the post season, NU could actually make a Bowl Championship Series AND Final Four in my lifetime!

As NU fans, we should fully support this action and hope that other particular states (Ohio, Michigan, Georgia, Alabama and Florida) follow suit. NU, the athletic and academic powerhouse of the Big Ten. Boy, that sounds great!

 

[Sheffielder]

This law is being framed around things like sports brand (Nike) deals, but it most certainly does not end there.

For example, in principle, the outline of this law could allow a booster to offer a $50,000 contract to each new recruit for signing their names 100 times. Could something like this influence a kid who is choosing between Northwestern and Michigan?

And if the NCAA tries to maintain it's rules against boosters, then football factory schools will just launder that process enough to exclude boosters, while still using booster money.

Some cynics will say dirty money already impacts recruiting, and while that's true, the difference now is that these deals will be front page news and the lead stories on SportsCenter - essentially becoming sanctioned ads for what currently happens covertly and is subject to penalty.

It's far too late now, but the best thing the NCAA could have done was offered trusts to student athletes, where they would have been eligible to earn a percentage of tv rights (and jersey sales, where applicable) to be held until their 25th birthday (or, pick a year, whatever). Even if they would have done this at a modest level 15 years ago, it would have controlled the argument to a point where now we might just be debating the percentage or the date that the trust becomes available to the player. Instead, the NCAA and college administrators' collective greed has taken the control out of their own hands, which will ruin the sport, but...whatever. Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[hdhntr1]

Because the bottoms tear out causing injuries?

He can get his money the old fashioned way. By suing them

 

[willycat]

Interesting point - if the NCAA holds there ground and kicks out all schools using disqualified athletes, or simply bans them from the post season, NU could actually make a Bowl Championship Series AND Final Four in my lifetime!

As NU fans, we should fully support this action and hope that other particular states (Ohio, Michigan, Georgia, Alabama and Florida) follow suit. NU, the athletic and academic powerhouse of the Big Ten. Boy, that sounds great!

Except a similar bill has already been introduced in Illinois as well and by a former NU athlete!

 

[IGNORE]

Except a similar bill has already been introduced in Illinois as well and by a former NU athlete!

Oh well, so much for our National Championships...

 

[CaliforniaCat_rivals209738]

You're confused. I was referring to how much money the schools, the coaches, AD's and the Athletic Department takes in. Fitzphile is talking about the new money that the players/workers will be able to make for themselves.

No, I’m not confused at all, but I think you are.

As you acknowledge, this thread is about the new stream of money that would be created by this crazy California law.

But you tried to detour it by talking about the current stream of money that flows directly to the universities.

There are two entirely different things. So it appears that you’re confused about the actual subject under discussion.

 

[mission_cat]

It makes complete sense to me and I fully agree with it.

You may need to work a little more on comprehension as well as capitalization.

oh, i have no doubt it adds up for you! here's the thing about capitalization and grammar: they aren't replacements for coherent thought.

 

[mission_cat]

There’s a cheap shot hit and run coward in every crowd.

haha, yeah, that's about the response i thought i'd get. you know perfectly well that this bill doesn't take money away from players who don't get deals, you just wanted to make a political argument that's entirely unnecessary and, most importantly, does not make sense.

 

[StreamCat]

I can’t wait until an Alabama car dealership offers a five million dollar endorsement deal to an Auburn recruit.

 

[NJCat]

I can’t wait until an Alabama car dealership offers a five million dollar endorsement deal to an Auburn recruit.

Ask Cam Newton's Dad if that's ever happened before........

 

[bringbacktherantboard]

Ask Cam Newton's Dad if that's ever happened before........

Well, not for five million dollars, I don't think, not even for Cam Newton.

 

[cattul]

This goes into effect in 2023? So, right In the thick of the next round of television contract renewals and possibly resumed conference realignment madness?

Everybody gets to make a mad dash for the money, at once? This should massively suck.

I’m not for or against it. I’m just sure it is going to suck.

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[NJCat]

This goes into effect in 2023? So, right In the thick of the next round of television contract renewals and possibly resumed conference realignment madness?

Everybody gets to make a mad dash for the money, at once? This should massively suck.

I’m not for or against it. I’m just sure it is going to suck.

It may suck.

It definitely will be a different world.

I have absolutely no problem with the kids getting their share of the pie. I suspect it will be a minority of kids, the 5* and 4* kids who already go to the big name schools. Good for them. Plenty of coaches and AD's getting rich off their backs for year. Their time will come.

 

[GOUNUII]

haha, yeah, that's about the response i thought i'd get. you know perfectly well that this bill doesn't take money away from players who don't get deals, you just wanted to make a political argument that's entirely unnecessary and, most importantly, does not make sense.

Numerous opportunities and you still can’t contribute anything of substance.

GOUNUII

 

[GOUNUII]

It may suck.

It definitely will be a different world.

I have absolutely no problem with the kids getting their share of the pie. I suspect it will be a minority of kids, the 5* and 4* kids who already go to the big name schools. Good for them. Plenty of coaches and AD's getting rich off their backs for year. Their time will come.

I would like to see University Presidents/NCAA have the balls to say fine. If you want a a 4 year scholarship commitment to play football, and all the hundreds of thousands/millions of dollars in goods and services and opportunities it guarantees, assign your promotional rights for the duration of the scholarship to the University. If you want to retain your promotional rights, no schollie, no place on the roster, and we wish you the best. Those promotional rights will be worth zilch without what the University/NCAA brings to the table.

I would also like to see the NCAA/Presidents come to grips with providing the athletes a better deal. I agree they brought all of this on themselves.

GOUNUII

 

[mission_cat]

Numerous opportunities and you still can’t contribute anything of substance.

GOUNUII

you got the response you deserved for what you wrote. it's abundantly clear that this bill will not do what you claim it does. so, stop acting hurt by mild criticism, which you obviously knew was coming, and try to do the minimal work to actually develop an informed point of view.

 

[GOUNUII]

you got the response you deserved for what you wrote. it's abundantly clear that this bill will not do what you claim it does. so, stop acting hurt by mild criticism, which you obviously knew was coming, and try to do the minimal work to actually develop an informed point of view.

Still no substance from the clueless one. Shocking!

GOUNUII

 

[Styre]

I would like to see University Presidents/NCAA have the balls to say fine. If you want a a 4 year scholarship commitment to play football, and all the hundreds of thousands/millions of dollars in goods and services and opportunities it guarantees, assign your promotional rights for the duration of the scholarship to the University. If you want to retain your promotional rights, no schollie, no place on the roster, and we wish you the best. Those promotional rights will be worth zilch without what the University/NCAA brings to the table.

You're basically describing how it already works, except the NCAA is choosing not to use the players in promotions.

 

[CaliforniaCat_rivals209738]

you got the response you deserved for what you wrote. it's abundantly clear that this bill will not do what you claim it does. so, stop acting hurt by mild criticism, which you obviously knew was coming, and try to do the minimal work to actually develop an informed point of view.

After your one response to me and three responses to GOUNUII, none of which have even an iota of substance, it's pretty clear that you're not a serious contributor on this subject.

And your inability or refusal to write with proper grammar just reinforces your lack of seriousness.

 

[mission_cat]

After your one response to me and three responses to GOUNUII, none of which have even an iota of substance, it's pretty clear that you're not a serious contributor on this subject.

And your inability or refusal to write with proper grammar just reinforces your lack of seriousness.

my lack of seriousness? dude, we're talking about a two-sentence shitpost on the internet that i replied to, it's not the magna carta. none of this is serious, and it's genuinely amusing to see you two prattling on about substance, when there was never any to respond to.

 

[Dugan15]

If EA Sports puts out an NCAA football game that includes likenesses and names of current NCAA players, I could see some portion of the profits being distributed, equally, to all NCAA football players. That seems like a win-win for everybody involved.

I do NOT like the idea of NCAA players meeting with agents to demand special treatment/compensation. This would destroy everything.

Feral: Here is the deal, Feral: Player meets with agent. Proceeds to demand special treatment / compensation. Person on the other end of that conversation (the school, the vendor, the fan / booster) can do the following: A) I agree. Here is what you asked for. B) I see your point, but I am prepared to offer x - y. C) Thank you, no.

Ask yourself what this destroys...and answers start to become more clear.

 

[Dugan15]

I can’t wait until an Alabama car dealership offers a five million dollar endorsement deal to an Auburn recruit.

Private market contract between two parties. I am good with that.

 

[CaliforniaCat_rivals209738]

my lack of seriousness? dude, we're talking about a two-sentence shitpost on the internet that i replied to, it's not the magna carta. none of this is serious, and it's genuinely amusing to see you two prattling on about substance, when there was never any to respond to.

I guess if you consider the subject of student athletes being paid enormous amounts of money outside of their university relationships to be without substance or seriousness that's your prerogative.

I'd submit, however, that the majority of people consider this matter to be very serious with the possibility of it having major implications on the entire integrity of college athletics. Some are even predicting the demise of the NCAA as a result.

But if you don't think it's important or serious, then why are you even bothering to post anything?

You might be better off spending your time brushing up on proper capitalization. Then the next time you really do have something important to say perhaps people will take you seriously. Just a friendly piece of advice.

 

[NorthNJCatsfan]

So, how is NU going to react when “student athletes” begin to monetize themselves? We know what many programs ( eg OSU, the SEC ) will do: they will just shrug because this will simply formalize what they already are engaged in. But will NU accede to this change or go the way of the Ivies? Or maybe, will NU, the service academies, Stanford, and perhaps a handful of other “D1” programs maintain the status quo— eg not allow their student athletes to be compensated—while the rest of the P5 allows for professional football players on their “college” teams. ( BTW, back in the day, the Ivies brought in ringers and paid them. See John U Bacon’s worthwhile book Fourth and Long ). It is going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out.

 

[Fitz51]

So, how is NU going to react when “student athletes” begin to monetize themselves?

I don't think anyone is beating down the door of NU athletes for promotions.

 

[NorthNJCatsfan]

I don't think anyone is beating down the door of NU athletes for promotions.

It will only take one...

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

It will only take one...

Why would they prohibit it if it is allowed? Welcome dark ages again.

 

[NorthNJCatsfan]

Why would they prohibit it if it is allowed? Welcome dark ages again.

If it were only a matter of players being compensated for their images on video games, no problem. But once these recruits start to get compensated based on which school they attend ( ie it will be a lot easier to monetize yourself with the OSU or Auburn fan base than with NU’s fan base ), some of the fine young men recruited by NU—who would otherwise have valued a NU education above those offered by other schools—will be sorely tempted to optimize their money making ability in order to help themselves and their families. Then the football arms race turns totally mercenary.

In this scenario, I suspect Morty will have to fend off a significant contingent of staff and students who will see “big time” football as having crossed a line and now a waste of time and energy. Once some of these recruits, in effect, turn pro, there will be a hue and cry on campus along the lines of : “Enough is enough. We don’t need professional athletes on campus. It’s one thing to get into the arms race with Taj Fitz, but we should not be entering bidding wars for our players. That’s not what NU is all about, etc., etc.”

I don’t envy Morty. He may well have his hands full with a large on campus contingent who say: Go the Ivy League rout vs. some wealthy alumni who say : Drop football and you’ve seen the last of my money.

I have no idea what is going to happen. The scenario above may be far fetched. But I do think it’s going to get interesting.

 

[Fitz51]

If it were only a matter of players being compensated for their images on video games, no problem. But once these recruits start to get compensated based on which school they attend ( ie it will be a lot easier to monetize yourself with the OSU or Auburn fan base than with NU’s fan base ), some of the fine young men recruited by NU—who would otherwise have valued a NU education above those offered by other schools—will be sorely tempted to optimize their money making ability in order to help themselves and their families. Then the football arms race turns totally mercenary.

Most of the fine young men at NU are not highly recruited by the major football powers because they are simply not of the star level those powers seek out.

 

[NorthNJCatsfan]

Most of the fine young men at NU are not highly recruited by the major football powers because they are simply not of the star level those powers seek out.

Yep. But NU needs to keep winning some of these recruiting battles ( see, for example, the offers received by the 2020 OL recruits ) to get the program to the point where we can Expect Victory, consistently compete for the B1G West title, and an off year is 8-5. Next up is winning recruits like Cam Martinez...

 

[willycat]

Yep. But NU needs to keep winning some of these recruiting battles ( see, for example, the offers received by the 2020 OL recruits ) to get the program to the point where we can Expect Victory, consistently compete for the B1G West title, and an off year is 8-5. Next up is winning recruits like Cam Martinez...

Ah, "Expect Victory" = Rick Venturi! Where is he now?

 

[julescat]

Ah, "Expect Victory" = Rick Venturi! Where is he now?

No Willy. Venturi was "Expect the Unexpected". GB was "Expect Victory"