If Mullen doesn't win a national championship in football at Mississippi State, then Mississippi State will never win a national championship in football.
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Sell. Mullen’s tenure at MSU is full of low-highs and high-lows. I cannot imagine a Mullen coached team rattling off 3 or 4 wins over legitimate Top 10 teams to win a National Title.
Talent is obviously a large part of it, but I’m not sure I’d feel good about Mullen beat Bama with Clemson or Ohio State’s roster.
Talent is obviously a large part of it, but I’m not sure I’d feel good about Mullen beat Bama with Clemson or Ohio State’s roster.
Sell, just ain't happening with any coach. Don't even see a SEC championship. If you want a natty your only hope is baseball and even that is a long shot.
Sell. I don't really think Mullen will win a natty at State, but that doesn't mean no one can do it. Mullen has taken State from perennial cellar dweller to a respectable SEC program. He's laid a foundation for whoever the next guy turns out to be. State has put some VERY good players in the NFL on his watch, and I think many people overlook that. He's your Jeff Bower, and I don't mean that as an insult. When MSU hires a hot up and coming coach in a few years, he'll be in a great spot to tear it up in recruiting.
Do you realize only about 20-25 teams have won a national championship over the last 50 years, and I predict over the next 50 years about 10 of those teams are the only ones who have a sure chance at winning on (Bama, FL St, Ohio St, USC, Penn St, Michigan, Clemson, Oklahoma, Florida). Those places have enough money to go thru coaches every other year until they strike gold and then they are set for 5-10 years.
I don't think we'll ever see a team not considered one of the elite in their conference win a NC. We'd need to have 3 or 4 seasons like 2014 strung together before you'd seriously begin to consider us. And the recruiting under Mullen simply isn't going to get us there. We would literally have to luck up and when a 3-4 games we should've lost during the season, conference championship game, and playoffs to win one anytime soon.
I don't think we'll ever see a team not considered one of the elite in their conference win a NC. We'd need to have 3 or 4 seasons like 2014 strung together before you'd seriously begin to consider us. And the recruiting under Mullen simply isn't going to get us there. We would literally have to luck up and when a 3-4 games we should've lost during the season, conference championship game, and playoffs to win one anytime soon.
Right now there is no need of having over about 20 schools in D1 cause that's all that have a prayer of competing for a championship. I'm not saying the sport can't be fun and a great way to spend fall weekends but the playing field is becoming more and more un-level in it's current format. At some point somebody is gonna ask is just being in the same stadium with the "big boys" as much fun as being in a league with schools you can compete with. As with all things in this country money will eventually dictate this thing's course.
Clemson is a good model for us. They were mired in mediocrity for decades before Dabo woke them up. They lost to their rival five years in a row before Taj Boyd broke the streak.
I'm not saying we can win a national title, but we have plenty of resources to be a consistent Top 20 program. We could be Wisconsin. We could be Iowa. TCU, Virginia Tech, hell even Washington State.
It does ultimately come down to coaching. I hope Mullen will make the changes necessary to get us there.
I'm not saying we can win a national title, but we have plenty of resources to be a consistent Top 20 program. We could be Wisconsin. We could be Iowa. TCU, Virginia Tech, hell even Washington State.
It does ultimately come down to coaching. I hope Mullen will make the changes necessary to get us there.
Mullen couldn't win a National Championship at BAMA, much less MSU... he's not a big game coach...
Truth hurts...If he was he would have been gone by now BUT he still may be the best for us...I honestly don't know that answer.
Pretty good post. Clemson does have some advantages we don't, but overall they are a pretty good comparison. Athletic budgets are close to the same. Starkville and Clemson are very similar cities (Clemson is actually about half the size of Starkville). More adjacent population in Anderson County and Greenville, SC though for fans traveling in for games, but overall it is about the same sales pitch we have to make to our recruits regarding nightlife, restaurants, entertainment, etc.
Unless he gets a chance to leave on his own, this will eventually be a Stansbury type decision. Some will not want to get rid of him and some will. We're not to that point, but 6-7 win seasons with annual blowouts will get tiresome at some point.
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Bama is who kills us every year. In game and on the recruiting trail. If Bama ever gets in a lull again we would have a shot. Even them just having a 9-3 team we would have a chance. Jackie got us to Atlanta, Dan has gotten us in contention. I have no doubt that we will contend for an SEC championship after Dan, but Bama is the main reason we can't contend for championships.
Bama is who kills us every year. In game and on the recruiting trail. If Bama ever gets in a lull again we would have a shot. Even them just having a 9-3 team we would have a chance. Jackie got us to Atlanta, Dan has gotten us in contention. I have no doubt that we will contend for an SEC championship after Dan, but Bama is the main reason we can't contend for championships.
IMO That's the 400lb gorilla in the room. College football is now totally influenced by money. The concept of the student athlete playing for dear old alma mater is LONG GONE (if it was ever real to begin with). The money is simply too big to try to return it to it's original status. The key now is cheating correctly.
Clemson is 18th in all time wins, they've drawn 80,000+ for many years. Not a good comparison.
I agree it's a good model. And pretty much the one we're using. But it's a stretch to expect to reach consistent top 10 status like Clemson has.
I agree it's a good model. And pretty much the one we're using. But it's a stretch to expect to reach consistent top 10 status like Clemson has.
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Not to mention the state they're in and adjacent to.
The state of MS is a ********, and until that changes, MSU and OM may catch lightening in a bottle every now and then but will mostly be irrelevant.
If that is how you feel, leave and don't ever come back, not even for a State game. I am sure there are plenty of crap holes like California, Illinois, New York, Massachusetts, Oregon, Washington and Colorado for you to call home.
We don't need ******** like you here anyway. Damn, it ruffles my old feathers when some jack leg punk rips on my State.
All true. Clemson was a perennial middle-of-the-road ACC team when the ACC was mediocre. Dabo managed to raise their recruiting profile, and has in turn raised their floor.
I do believe Mullen has raised our floor, and raised our recruiting profile as well. This year's class could end up Top 25, and next year's could be Top 20, as there is much more top-tier talent instate.
That said, Dabo didn't have to raise Clemson from the depths we were in. Mullen took over a program that was the absolute doormat of our conference, and I'd say we have risen above the doormat level. Seven straight bowl games supports that as well. Should be eight straight after this year and that's not nothing.
With all due respect to Jeff Bower and he deserves it, he was trying to maintain a program at a time USM was in a declining situation, not his fault and maybe not theirs. Mullen, on the other hand, is still building a program within a conference that provides State a lot of revenue that in turn provides better facilities that helps in recruiting and increased paying fan support. Whether or not State wins a national championship in football under Mullen doesn't matter to me, but I would prefer that he would.
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I did leave, when I was 18. The truth is the truth. I would never leave Nashville for Mississippi. I love being from MS, but it's one of the worst states in America, in every category. I wish it wasn't, believe me.
Glad you left. We don't need ******** like you making our state worse. Believe me when I say this. It is ******* 17wads like you that give Our School a bad reputation. So stay the 17 in Nashville. We don't need you or your snot nosed kids in Mississippi or at Mississippi State. If the State ain't good enough for you, then YOU and your ilk aren't good enough for Mississippi State. Please send your brats to Tennessee. I sure they will look good in that gosh awful orange!
You're just proof of the adage about opinions. Having lived in Florida, South Carolina and Hawaii I'm proud to have returned to my Mississippi to raise my family.
I would love to return to MS, still own property there. However, probably not until I retire based on current compensation that I could obtain in MS. But, your above statements just are not correct. MSU would not have nearly what it does if not for out of state alumni making major donations. Just about every major building campaign in the past 20 years has been funded with an out of state major donor.
No problem with out of State donors who love and believe in their home state of Mississippi. He could have posted in this thread without denigrating the State of Mississippi. But there are always some ******** who think this State ain't good enough for them. We get enough of that **** from non-Mississippians. So I say keep their money and their sorry asses out of Mississippi. He ain't a Mississippian any more and he needs to keep it that way.
I agree. I've lived in Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Louisiana, and Mississippi. I love Mississippi. My wife (a native New Mexican with a degree from Arizona) loves Mississippi. She insisted that we move here to raise our child because she absolutely loves this state. Yes, this state has its problems, but I'm tired of our home being the scapegoat of an entire nation. There are MUCH worse places to live.
Mississippi has the same issues as inner city America. People just leave instead of staying in hopes of making it better. The job market in MS for professionals isn't great. Public schools are hit or miss. I can't really blame you for doing what you think is best for your family and leaving, but if a lot of our college educated people leave, then MS will never get better. It is a personal decision but I have chosen to stay and raise my family as Mississippians.
I would like to add that there are plenty of good places in MS to raise a family. You don't even have to look that hard TBH. The whole state isn't a "********" as you so eloquently described.
This is true, I shouldn't lump the whole state in with the problems of Jackson. I love Mississippi and am proud to be from there.
Problem with Mississippi is the "leadership" and the fact that most of the people will vote against their own pocketbooks to support family values and anti abortion efforts and confederate retention flag issues. I left and then came back..what can i say other than i do have a great avatar
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Well, this has been a pretty decent thread hijack...
but while we are at it...
You aren't going to get very far with a bunch of proud Mississippians (even if you are one as I am) by starting with "Mississippi is a ********". But what you can and should say is that as long as we have leadership that is more consumed with making sure gay people can't get married, that there is no reasonable access to abortion, and continually cutting the budget for public education in favor of God knows what, then you will be fighting an impossible uphill battle from the position that was already challenging from the outset. Our governor is an absolute national embarrassment. This is a state that really needs to consider investing in progressive leadership. And progressive in this state would probably only be a slightly right-of-center moderate Republican. Certainly that is palatable enough for a conservative voting populace.
Honestly, the progressive (again, in context) direction of Starkville in the past 10 to 20 years is a pretty decent model. Not necessarily for the local school system, but for lots of other things. We sure as **** don't need to be turning down national business, because we are bound and determined to defend pointless symbols of an embarrassing and shameful past.
I love Mississippi. My roots in Mississippi are many, many generations deep. I have lived all over, and have delighted in taking down self inflated egotists by reminding them that basically all of the culture that the United States loves to profess as its greatest and most proud exports are ALL a result of Mississippi. When they argue, I start listing the ****. And then they shut up. But despite all that wonderful stuff that I am so proud of, I can't possibly defend to anyone the inevitable stupid headlines that end up in the national spotlight due to an absolute moron of a governor, and a bunch of flunkies beneath him that are probably worse. This state has all the potential in the world. It deserves leadership that works toward solutions for its very real problems, not a bunch of intellectually vacant theocrats who are only interested in turning back the clock.
but while we are at it...
You aren't going to get very far with a bunch of proud Mississippians (even if you are one as I am) by starting with "Mississippi is a ********". But what you can and should say is that as long as we have leadership that is more consumed with making sure gay people can't get married, that there is no reasonable access to abortion, and continually cutting the budget for public education in favor of God knows what, then you will be fighting an impossible uphill battle from the position that was already challenging from the outset. Our governor is an absolute national embarrassment. This is a state that really needs to consider investing in progressive leadership. And progressive in this state would probably only be a slightly right-of-center moderate Republican. Certainly that is palatable enough for a conservative voting populace.
Honestly, the progressive (again, in context) direction of Starkville in the past 10 to 20 years is a pretty decent model. Not necessarily for the local school system, but for lots of other things. We sure as **** don't need to be turning down national business, because we are bound and determined to defend pointless symbols of an embarrassing and shameful past.
I love Mississippi. My roots in Mississippi are many, many generations deep. I have lived all over, and have delighted in taking down self inflated egotists by reminding them that basically all of the culture that the United States loves to profess as its greatest and most proud exports are ALL a result of Mississippi. When they argue, I start listing the ****. And then they shut up. But despite all that wonderful stuff that I am so proud of, I can't possibly defend to anyone the inevitable stupid headlines that end up in the national spotlight due to an absolute moron of a governor, and a bunch of flunkies beneath him that are probably worse. This state has all the potential in the world. It deserves leadership that works toward solutions for its very real problems, not a bunch of intellectually vacant theocrats who are only interested in turning back the clock.
This adjacent part can't be emphasized enough. True, Mississippi has its problems, but with having Arkansas/Louisiana on our west, Memphis on the north (ok the whole west end of Tennesee is ****--don't need to pick on Memphis), and Alabama on the east, we are surrounded by nothing but terribleness. Most other states at least touch a decent state, but nooo not us.
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