Were you a Pelini fan. He had I think 2 years of experience as a position coach when we hired him.
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Butler has to be an elite dc, if he is average or just above average **** is going to hit the fan because perception is we could have done better, I don't envy him at all.
The thing that gets me is Rhule put the interim tag on him. Then stated in his presser that there was lots of interest in the job. Didn't want to change the defense. Then turned around and said it wouldn't be a splash hire.
Either there wasn't that much interest or they wanted to change the defense and told Rhule to kick rocks.
Well he was right about one thing, no splash. More like a dribble or a droplet.
Either there wasn't that much interest or they wanted to change the defense and told Rhule to kick rocks.
Well he was right about one thing, no splash. More like a dribble or a droplet.
Please attach a quote where I said that anywhere on this board in your next response.
Matt said that he didn't want to rush and that he had no timetable to "get it right"? This was a couple of days ago? Butler was going to be the DC all along and he knew it. More used car salesman talk from Matt. However, I don't think that the DL coach hire is as bad as some people are saying.
Sure, but Pelini was in his 30s and on an upward trajectory, not in his 50s and never considered for bigger jobs
The call at the time was also for someone who worked here before and understood the culture.
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The young DCs we were looking at would not have been splash hires. Robinson wasn't leaving Syracuse and nobody was leaving a playoff team. Tony really left us in the lurch leaving right before the portal opened.
He had 3 years each as a position coach with the Niners, Patriots, and Packers. I keep going over this with you and you keep playing dumb about it. Pelini was a rising star when we hired him. He was a db coach in the Super Bowl 2 years after being a hs coach. Not an assistant db coach, the db coach. A far cry from John Butler.
A little off target here, but BC was 6-1 at home and 1-4 on the road. Looking at their schedule I would think they won't score more than 21-24 points in the bowl game. As the year went along, they gave up more and more points.
If the weather is really crappy, likely less.
Pelini wasn’t a rising star. He was highly recommended by someone Solich trusted, and the NU AD wasn’t throwing around cash for a coach that he kind of wanted to run out of the building. Butler has been coaching at the college level or NFL since 1995.
I haven't seen a single post of yours that spelled that out. I stand corrected. Still had never coordinated a defense and Butler has. I'm not a Butler fan boy but he's at least as qualified then as Pelini.
Nobody was thinking that when Pelini was hired as DC. But it was a factor after the Billy C reign.
The formula was there, he just did it with the OC hire. And then he pulls this, horrible hire if true
We really won’t know if it’s a terrible hire until next year. And I don’t think the guy we had running the D this year was all that great.
I would much rather have a proven guy like Jim Leonhard. Just have to see how it plays out.
It is always easier to predict gloom and doom that way you can be right if it come to fruition or you can be pleasantly surprised and eat crow if you were wrong. There is nothing brave or valiant about predicting a poor record or predicting that something wont succeed.
That "someone" was Monte Kiffin, maybe the most respected defensive coach in the NFL. Pelini was so widely known that Monte didn't even coach with him and recommended Bo. Bo was an assistant hs coach in 1993. By 2003 he was DC at NU, after 9 years in the NFL. He was indeed a rising star. Money was such a factor that we gave Bo 50% more than Bohl.
I got the feeling that the D really liked Tony and wanted to play hard for Tony. Butler gives off “enthusiasm repellent”. Kinda like Satterfield.
You’re right, being honest is easy.
Wish many here could say the same, but thank you for carrying the cross of perpetual sprinkles & sunshine for Matt Rhule.
I just can't get over the fact that if he is so good why wouldn't someone give him another DC job? He seems like he really wanted another shot.
Well he's the wrong race to count towards the diversity hire count. He's no longer young and an up and comer. He was attached to Bill O'Brien and his ugly departure from Houston. Who knows. He doesn't come across as a warm and fuzzy guy. Maybe he doesn't interview well. Maybe he's a sh##y coach. It's Rhule's *** and he made the hire. I'm expecting this to be a similar situation to when Carl was Bo's DC. Snow will probably have a huge hand in calling the defense.
Diversity hire count? Lol. NFL teams don't give a **** about diversity hires. Butler clearly wasn't thought highly of. Hopefully he proves everyone wrong.
Doesn't come across as warm and fuzzy? Doesn't interview well? Have you ever heard Bill Belichick talk?
You think the NFL never considers race when they're hiring? LOL. They have the Rooney rule for heaven's sake.