Buc-ees...Wow!

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dawgenstein

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Cannot believe the thread has made it this far without mentioning their freshly roasted and hot sugar-coated pecans and cashews. Nothing like 2,000 calories in a bag that will fit in your hand and be gone 10 miles down the road.
 
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5. Pastrami Reuben and homemade chips. Pretzel bun, sauerkraut, fried onion crisps, delicious....


^^^^^^^This all day long^^^^^^

Only drawback is that you have to order it at the kiosk (next to the fudge counter) and it takes a couple of minutes to make it. But it’s a good sandwich worth the wait.
 

Dawgbite

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You've evidently never had them. I can tell since you used the word "instead". Truth of the matter is they are puffs with caramel AND cheese on them.
Oh I’ve had them, just don’t think they are all that great. Granted, I’m a salty snack guy, not a sweet snack guy so I may be biased.
 

SheltonChoked

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Yes. I' not sure if the hundreds of vehicles are willing to wait to spend 30-45 minutes for a charge though.

I'm a big fan of EV tech. But until there's a battery that can give you 500 miles on a 15 minute charge at home, its not going to happen in Middle America.

How long were you in Buc-ees?

You want a 500 mile battery to charge in 15 minutes at home?

Just back of the envelope, the best EV's (which are way more fuel efficient than petrol or diesel) use 250W/Mile. So you'd need a 140 kwh battery. 140 kWh is 504 million watts. To put 140 Kw in something in 15 minutes you'd need, at least, a 150 amp 4160 V 3 Phase circuit or a 50 amp 11kV 3 phase circuit

FYI, one of those circuit breakers needed to put in your house for this is 3ft tall 2 ft wide and 3 feet deep. and weighs 350 pounds. And that's the compact one. The main would be a lot bigger...

I think a more realistic goal would be to have a fast charging system like this in several locations in a town. We could call them "Service stations". I bet the ones in the south would have really good food.

That's not going to happen anywhere.
 
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Lildoggy

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Know the folks who own it. It’s a helluva operation. Small town business at its finest.
 

ababyatemydingo

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How long were you in Buc-ees?

You want a 500 mile battery to charge in 15 minutes at home?

Just back of the envelope, the best EV's (which are way more fuel efficient than petrol or diesel) use 250W/Mile. So you'd need a 140 kwh battery. 140 kWh is 504 million watts. To put 140 Kw in something in 15 minutes you'd need, at least, a 150 amp 4160 V 3 Phase circuit or a 50 amp 11kV 3 phase circuit

That's not going to happen anywhere.


Thus, our point. While noble, the technology isn't there yet for rapid, widespread rollout of EV.
 

TimberBeast

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There was an article about it recently in the Sun Herald, so that’s a pretty ****** job of them if they didn’t fact-check themselves. And the property is across the interstate from the golf course so I have no idea why that would even been an issue.

What golf course? If it’s at Menge the only golf course I know of there is the Oaks and it’s a couple mile from the interstate.
 

jdbulldog

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The dumpy truck stop may have a better chance than you think.

They were never fined. They were sued by the owner of a dumpy truck stop at the next exit. But it has not been to trial. Likely a frivolous lawsuit because the owner knows he is going to be put out of business by the Buc-ee's
 

Dawg1979

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they really are unbelievable. where else can you buy great food, candy, cutting boards, pop up tents, tannerite, knives, coolers, clothes, grills, and gas? i mean, how often do you see someone with a chevron or phillips 66 cooler, hat, or tshirt and be considered cool. The Beav pulls it off somehow.

i bet the owners of stuckeys wish they had just gone bigger.
 

SheltonChoked

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Thus, our point. While noble, the technology isn't there yet for rapid, widespread rollout of EV.

And my point that they auto industry is not ready to to a rapid widespread rollout of any new car.

And even if they did, people don't buy new cars fast enough.

But "expecting" an industrial level power supply at every home either shows a huge lack of understanding of transportation and power, or a political point.
 
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tbaydog

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The Stuckeys of the modern day. Just opened a new one in Daytona.
 

ronpolk

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I don’t get the love for the beaver nuggets, they are cheese puffs with Carmel corn instead of cheese on them.

I’ve never been to one of these stores and doubt I ever deal with the traffic and crowd to go to one, but what you just described sounds pretty good.
 
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dorndawg

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Thus, our point. While noble, the technology isn't there yet for rapid, widespread rollout of EV.

"Thus, our point. While noble, the technology isn't there yet for rapid, widespread rollout of automobiles." Horsewhip & wagon manufacturers, c. 1915
 

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One is being built here with 120 gas pumps according to an article I found. I'll check it out once completed and the "new" has worn off a little. Never been to one.
 

johnson86-1

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Average length of time an american owns a car is 7-12 years.
Development time for a new car is 5-7 years (which is why Hyundai has a 2040 target for eliminating gas cars)

If only we had a president that wanted to update the power grid and infrastructure....


To Make it relevant to the OP, do you think you could spend 30-45 minutes in a buc-ees during a electric car charge? Think there is enough to do, eat, drink and see?

If Biden really wanted to update the power grid and infrastructure he would push an infrastructure bill, not push a bunch of pork and let his surrogates say stupid **** like elder care is infrastructure or labor unions are infrastructure.

But with respect to the electric cars, I suspect you'll see "mass adoption" the way they are primarily used now, which is as a second car for a two car household. I'd certainly be up for a second car being electric although we wouldn't be able to do two electric cars.
 

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Did you go to the bathroom though...because the top two reasons to go to buccees is number 1 and number 2.
 

SheltonChoked

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Or he could push an infrastructure bill that creates US jobs. (hint "elder care" workers are not slaves that work for free)

Power Grid is infrastructure.

As is internet, roads, bridges, ports, railroads,airports, water, schools, hospitals, etc.

The GOP had 4 years to get something done about infrastructure, and a bill never hit the floor.

One of 2 things needs to change for widespread adoption of EV's. 1) reduce the cost to below fossil fuel cars or 2) increase real world range.

I guess americans could change how they travel if we had an expansion in high speed rail like china has since 2007.
 

johnson86-1

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Or he could push an infrastructure bill that creates US jobs. (hint "elder care" workers are not slaves that work for free)
Edler care workers not being slaves doesn't mean they are infrastructure.

Power Grid is infrastructure.

As is internet, roads, bridges, ports, railroads,airports, water,
Yes, they are, and they are what, half of the proposed spending of the "infrastructure plan"?

schools, hospitals, etc.
Not really. Might be good things to spend money on or not, but not really infrastructure.

The GOP had 4 years to get something done about infrastructure, and a bill never hit the floor.

One of 2 things needs to change for widespread adoption of EV's. 1) reduce the cost to below fossil fuel cars or 2) increase real world range.
Yes, but depending on how low your threshold is for "widespread adoption", I think you'll see a lot of inroads made with two vehicle homes as better model options come out at prices within spitting distance of the ICE alternative. Of course, that's sort of a different way of saying your two options, as a lot of the better models are becoming available as improved battery technology means you don't have to have a small car to get decent range.

I guess americans could change how they travel if we had an expansion in high speed rail like china has since 2007.
We can't build high speed rail without a massive change in regulatory climate. I'm not sure it would make sense regardless, as the places that it makes the most sense tend to be densely populated and so expensive places to put new rail in.
 

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This is true. That’s why Biden’s infrastructure plan also includes additional charging stations to power electric vehicles.

But we know that plans don’t often survive what happens in real life.
 

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Despite what you may hear in the news, we are many years away from a majority of cars being electric. It has nothing to do with manufacturing the cars or the battery technology. It’s the power grid. The current grid is nowhere near being able to handle charging up everyone’s car right now. And it will take many many many years to get there.

I was just spit balling, but y"all need to understand what is happening in the auto industry. In less than 10 years, there will be no gasoline engine vehicles produced by any major manufacturers in the US. You want a new car, your only real options will be electric. We will have a lot of gas powered used cars out there, but the price of gas will be high and the owners will grow weary of the price.

We have made enormous improvements in battery technology over the last 10 years. Batteries used to cost about $1,000 per kwh of storage, and now it is less than $100. We are making huge improvements in the technology for "massless" batteries which will add incredible range to electric vehicles.

Plus, electric cars are just more fun to drive. 0 to 60 in under 4 seconds is awesome.

You don't have to be a liberal to get on board. They are great vehicles and they don't pollute as much (even if you don't believe in climate change, EVs don't emit uck into the air). And, frankly, even if you don't get on board you soon won't have much choice.

And I'm not a fan of roadside convenience stores, even if they have a beaver mascot.
 

Mobile Bay

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EV's are going to take a massive hit in popularity when people start to realize they have an 8 thousand dollar repair bill every so often when the batteries quit holding charge.
 

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Or he could push an infrastructure bill that creates US jobs. (hint "elder care" workers are not slaves that work for free)

Power Grid is infrastructure.

As is internet, roads, bridges, ports, railroads,airports, water, schools, hospitals, etc.

The GOP had 4 years to get something done about infrastructure, and a bill never hit the floor.

One of 2 things needs to change for widespread adoption of EV's. 1) reduce the cost to below fossil fuel cars or 2) increase real world range.

I guess americans could change how they travel if we had an expansion in high speed rail like china has since 2007.

China has 1.4 billion people, about 4.25 times that of the US in roughly the same area. And they have huge cities that most of us have never heard of. Their 50th largest city is well over 2 million, while ours is only 400K. The US just can't justify high speed rail (in my opinion) except maybe in the northeast, and even there the cities are so close together that regular trains serve the purpose.
 

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EVs are only affordable to most now because of government tax credits and free charging in a lot of places. In some instances, they don't even pay a road tax.
 

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I was just spit balling, but y"all need to understand what is happening in the auto industry. In less than 10 years, there will be no gasoline engine vehicles produced by any major manufacturers in the US.


This one might be worth placing a wager on. Maybe by 2040 or 2050, but not 2030.
 

Dawgzilla

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EVs are only affordable to most now because of government tax credits and free charging in a lot of places. In some instances, they don't even pay a road tax.

This is actually something that will have to be addressed. No gas means no gas tax, which means roads suffer. We will likely get taxed by the mile.
 

SheltonChoked

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Look at the map of where, and how much High speed rail China has built in the last 13 years.

Do you think the US cannot do infrastructure projects as well as China? If so, I'm going to have to disagree with you.

If not, why should we not invest in a 21st century transportation system?

Some pictures to save a search:





45,000 miles of double track for 200 MPH+ trains built in 10 years. 8 verticals and 8 horizontals.

But because we don't have the people they do we wouldn't need that much track. The US most aggressive plan has 4 horizontals and 5 verticals .
 
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SheltonChoked

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My batteries are under warranty for 8 years and 150,000 miles.

How much does a new engine cost? Transmission? Are the prices on new engines falling? Because battery prices are.
 

SheltonChoked

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I have to pay for Charging. It costs me $2.30 to fill up at a supercharger. (It's only $0.89 at home to fill up)

And I didnt get a tax credit.
 

Mobile Bay

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"Thus, our point. While noble, the technology isn't there yet for rapid, widespread rollout of automobiles." Horsewhip & wagon manufacturers, c. 1915

And the automobile still didn't become the norm across the USA until the post WWII boom.
 

Dawgzilla

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This one might be worth placing a wager on. Maybe by 2040 or 2050, but not 2030.

The manufacturers are committed. Volkswagen will be all electric by 2026 (Voltswagen), Volvo by 2030. GM is committed to 2035, with Cadillac by 2030. Chrysler and Ford have less definite deadlines, but they will follow suit as the market. Toyota has not announced an all electric date, but will introduce 15 new EV vehicles by 2025. Jaguar will be all electric by 2025, but they are not a major US manufacturer.

It is coming, and the complaints on here about expensive, slow charging batteries and low range are being addressed with improving technology. When EV battery packs get below $60/kWh, the gasoline engine will be dead.
 

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Is Buc-ee's a place that Hugh Freeze would feel at home in?

No. If one wants a quickie with a hooker you can always go to a truck stop. Buc-ee's does not allow 18 wheelers. It's a gas station not a truck stop.
 

Mobile Bay

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My batteries are under warranty for 8 years and 150,000 miles.

How much does a new engine cost? Transmission? Are the prices on new engines falling? Because battery prices are.

I drive a Tacoma. What is this repair cost you speak of? I am not familiar with it.
 

karlchilders.sixpack

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No,

It means you will pay, when you buy your new tag. Mileage readings will be required.

And I'm sure they will develop a quicker on going system, before long.
 
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