The Redhawks were the final team selected and are a play-in versus SMU.
Basically a home game for them in Dayton.
The best of all worlds?
Basically a home game for them in Dayton.
The best of all worlds?
Bubble Watch
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There's a metric called "wins above bubble" that evaluates about how many more or less games a team would be expected to win than an average bubble team against the same schedule that team played. Miami has a WAB of 1.69, which means that because they went 31-1 an average bubble team would be expected to go about 29-3 against the same schedule. So it suggests that Miami is slightly on the good side of the bubble, which is where they ended up.
It's not perfect (no metric is) but it attempts to address the issue of schedule quality.
They got a last four in spotHalfway thru and Miami of Oxford is still waiting to see if they’ll be accepted… but they have a video feed, so they probably will be
No they got the VERY LAST spot.
If Auburn or Oklahoma had gotten won more SEC tournament win, they would have been out. SD State too in the MWC - and they are arguably the better team than Miami (although Miami’s record is much more impressive even when accounting for zero Quad 1 teams on the schedule).
Thankfully we made Indiana a non-starter
Notice he diplomatically chose SMU as his “first team out”, but mentioned Oklahoma before Auburn
The committee chair corrected them in an interview. Three teams were added after Miami. He said SMU was the last team voted into the field.
I would love to ban all P4 teams from being bubble teams. They are likely not better than several mid majors, who happened to not win their conference tournament.
I am much more interested in seeing, on any given year, say VCU, instead of Auburn, try to eliminate Michigan State. And I suspect most people do too. The chance of a Cinderella is such a big part of the allure of the tournament.
I am much more interested in seeing, on any given year, say VCU, instead of Auburn, try to eliminate Michigan State. And I suspect most people do too. The chance of a Cinderella is such a big part of the allure of the tournament.
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Interesting. And that makes sense.
SMU’s record is unimpressive but slightly better than the four left out.
Feels like the committee got this right.
I mean, for "incredible television" I get it, but for the first 1-2 minutes after the entire field was selected to have a conversation that focused on Auburn (it adjacently discussed the first teams out) on the selection show, was a bit weird.
The point of the post selection conversation is kind of debate snubs before we focus on the selected teams for several weeks
Don't care. The debate was whether they belonged in the field. They spanked another team that was in that same debate. A win in the next game is very unlikely, this play in game in my mind validated my thoughts that they belonged in the field. It’s not a confirmation that they are a great team and no one ever said so. 30 wins should mean something! We don’t need an 11th team from the SEC.
I'm as much of an analytics guy as anybody, but I've come around much more to thinking that it should matter more who wins games than who plays well in a loss or against tougher teams. Give me Belmont over SMU, or Tulsa over NC State.
I'm glad you found evidence to feel validated. I think they're a good team and I'm glad they won the play-in game that allows them to play in their first tournament game tonight. Good luck to them!
they won their play-in game against the lowest ranked seed
They’re down 21 to #6 Tennessee in their March Madness opener.
Would Auburn or Oklahoma have given them a better game?
I’ve been one of the bigger critics of Miami not being very good, and they’re not, but Indiana or Auburn could have gone ahead and not done something like lose to us in their tournament too. Miami is lucky to have gotten their spot, though.
Winning needs to count fot something or why play the game.
Miami is right in the team picture with 8-11 seeds. Its easy to second guess, teams like Georgia, Villanova didn't look good either. Clemson, Miami, FL , Mizzou are not world beaters either.
its not about validation. I 100% believe they were as deserving as almost every other team ranked 8th or lower.
Uhhh… what?
6/11 games are usually very competitive. Two other 11 seeds won yesterday (VCU & Texas), and the other 11 seed lost by 4.
as I PREDICTed… Miami (OH) went undefeated against a Charmin’ Soft schedule and was quickly ousted.
They’re raising $280M for a brand new stadium largely due to said regular season, so good for them and the construction companies in Southwest Ohio
The crux of the issue here is did they have a chance to prove themselves in the regular season?. Their version of the story was that none of the big boys would schedule them. This is an issue. Some of the teams including NU in some past seasons have pathetic non con schedules...if you took out their conference schedules they would look just like Miami of Ohio undefeated against a bunch 2oo plus kenpoms.....and they didnt lose to Chicago State! ( side note I may be the only person in American who saw Chicago State beat NU and LU. They should hire me as a good luck charm)
As far as I am concerned the committee should look carefully at the big boys non-con schedules and if they suffer from avoidance syndrome..send them to the NIT
As far as I am concerned the committee should look carefully at the big boys non-con schedules and if they suffer from avoidance syndrome..send them to the NIT
I think, I haven't actually counted, that if you look at all of the games played between the 5 thru 12 seeds on Thursday and Friday, losing by about 20 points is not unusual. I don't mean just the 5-12 games, also the 6-11, etc.