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Just stop already. All the internet has done is allow snake oil salemen to spread their crap to a bigger audience. In the old days they would eventually get run out of town once everyone figured out the scam. Now we have millions of geniuses out there who are experts at things that take years to try and understand. Every non-clinician/researcher who thinks you know anything about Medicine/vaccines—please knock on the pilot’s door during your next flight and tell him/her how you know best how to fly a plane because you read Twitter posts from ‘aviation insiders’ who really know what’s going on…..
But yet you attack the person and provide no evidence. Therein lies part of the problem - unproven technology, told it prevents covid and later find it does not, many unaccounted for deaths which people are not willing to look at and of course a perfectly wonderful drug that the company has no liability for. Evidence, not attacks.
 

itseasyas1-2-3

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You’re no athlete so you’ll be fine.
But do you realize the stress in a horse race when you're horse is neck and neck nearing the finish line and you have some real money on that horse? LOL

Pelini will tell you what that does to your blood pressure.
 

itseasyas1-2-3

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Young athletes were suffering cardiac arrest in sports long before there was a COVID vaccine. Personally I developed myocarditis after a respiratory infection about 3 years before COVID.
I wish the whole thing would have been handled in a different way. It would have been so much better had people been given the real facts and been able to make informed decisions. Why did those Pfizer vials have NO inserts with side affects, ingredients, etc? Because they didn't want anyone to know what they were being injected with. That goes right to the FACT that Pfizer fought in court to keep that information buried for 75 years. Plain and simple, they knew it caused harm.

Outside of death or debilatating injuries, the worst thing was the mandates to force people to make a risky health decision or risk losing their livelihoods.

To force people to take an untested non-vaccine amounts to crimes against humanity.
 
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TruHusker

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“Doctors that just accepted the government narrative, bought their ******** lies hook, line and sinker. “

You literally no nothing about health care, clinicians, or evidence based medicine. And just proved it. The vast majority of ICU, ED, ID, and hospital medicine clinicians who actually took care of covid pts are, by definition, , skeptics who question everything. Unlike specialists who only take care of one organ, these clinicians HAVE to keep an open mind to get to the right answer. Always right? Hell no, taking care of patients is freaking hard work. Always questioning? Hell yes (or they don’t last very long based on poor peer review findings).
Well, I have two very close friends who are docs. One is in Inernal Med and was working ER during covid. He witnessed the horrors. There was a set protocol for treatment that everyone followed, those who didn't were called on the carpet. The hospitals and doctors were told what to do and that dictated how they got paid. Our local hospital made millions by just following Fauchi's rules. The opposite should happen, a bunch of people should up on charges against humanity. For crying out loud, McDonalds is held responsible for selling nuggets and coffee that is too hot but go ahead and put an experimental drug in your body and hope for the best and oh by the way we are not responsible as the hospitals were not as well. You simply cannot even argue this on a common sense level.
 

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I wish the whole thing would have been handled in a different way. It would have been so much better had people been given the real facts and been able to make informed decisions. Outside of death or debilatating injuries, the worst thing was the mandates to force people to make a risky health decision or risk losing their livelihoods.

To force people to take an untested non-vaccine amounts to crimes against humanity.
Thank god the Supreme Court smacked Biden the Dictator in his 80 year old balls, and his fascist plans for the “vaccine.”
 

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itseasyas1-2-3

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Well, I have two very close friends who are docs. One is in Inernal Med and was working ER during covid. He witnessed the horrors. There was a set protocol for treatment that everyone followed, those who didn't were called on the carpet. The hospitals and doctors were told what to do and that dictated how they got paid. Our local hospital made millions by just following Fauchi's rules. The opposite should happen, a bunch of people should up on charges against humanity. For crying out loud, McDonalds is held responsible for selling nuggets and coffee that is too hot but go ahead and put an experimental drug in your body and hope for the best and oh by the way we are not responsible as the hospitals were not as well. You simply cannot even argue this on a common sense level.
I p;robably disagreed with you 75% of the time last year about football. But, that's just a game.

In a serious topic like this, I could not agree with you more.
 

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today show

LMAO

as my nurse wife said this morning: "they're saying healthy people can have heart attacks now?"

it's a joke and you're the punchline, apartment dweller
So you didnt read the posted information and really only responded to lob what you perceive as an insult. They are acknowledging the increase in heart related incidents since Covid that I would assume would support the anti-vax stance. Those who were vaxxed did so for many reasons as did those who were not. Its not any deeper than that.
 

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Just stop already. All the internet has done is allow snake oil salemen to spread their crap to a bigger audience. In the old days they would eventually get run out of town once everyone figured out the scam. Now we have millions of geniuses out there who are experts at things that take years to try and understand. Every non-clinician/researcher who thinks you know anything about Medicine/vaccines—please knock on the pilot’s door during your next flight and tell him/her how you know best how to fly a plane because you read Twitter posts from ‘aviation insiders’ who really know what’s going on…..
You think a person can't read and understand medical journals if they aren't a doctor?

For the most part the Healthcare industry in this country behaved and performed poorly during covid.

"if you attack fauci, you attack science"

Lofl, what a Clownshow

Doctors as a whole are an arrogant group.
 

dinglefritz

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The whole government narrative was a big lie.

My sister was in good health, took the jab and was dead 9 days later.

My first cousin in Jacksonville was in tip-top shape, took the jab and died 11 days later.

Safe and effective, my ***.

I'm glad you took the jab and boosters and feel it helped you. Can't say the same for 2 loved ones who were killed by it.
A vaccine takes about 3 weeks to produce immunity and most require a booster. I’m sorry for your loss. You seem to be blaming the jab. Was that the listed cause of their deaths?
 

dinglefritz

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You think a person can't read and understand medical journals if they aren't a doctor?

For the most part the Healthcare industry in this country behaved and performed poorly during covid.

"if you attack fauci, you attack science"

Lofl, what a Clownshow

Doctors as a whole are an arrogant group.
Well actually most people can not read and understand medical journals. What tends to happen is people read an article and take a portion that fits their narrative without evaluation of the statistical significance of a finding. There’s also the fact that there can be conflicting findings in different studies.
 

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Well actually most people can not read and understand medical journals. What tends to happen is people read an article and take a portion that fits their narrative without evaluation of the statistical significance of a finding. There’s also the fact that there can be conflicting findings in different studies.
Similar to Fauci and this administration found studies that fit there narrative? A lot of arrogance and double standards in this post.
 

dinglefritz

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Well, I have two very close friends who are docs. One is in Inernal Med and was working ER during covid. He witnessed the horrors. There was a set protocol for treatment that everyone followed, those who didn't were called on the carpet. The hospitals and doctors were told what to do and that dictated how they got paid. Our local hospital made millions by just following Fauchi's rules. The opposite should happen, a bunch of people should up on charges against humanity. For crying out loud, McDonalds is held responsible for selling nuggets and coffee that is too hot but go ahead and put an experimental drug in your body and hope for the best and oh by the way we are not responsible as the hospitals were not as well. You simply cannot even argue this on a common sense level.
There was a very steep learning curve on how to treat COVID. Some of the early protocols were awful. That said there were also some alternative therapies which weren’t beneficial as well.

My wife took care of a large number of ICU COVID patients and is still seeing some people with comorbidities now who require hospitalization.
 

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A vaccine takes about 3 weeks to produce immunity and most require a booster. I’m sorry for your loss. You seem to be blaming the jab. Was that the listed cause of their deaths?
Some of those bioweapons killed people in the first 24 hours. Of course I'm blaming the fricking jab.
 

itseasyas1-2-3

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There was a very steep learning curve on how to treat COVID. Some of the early protocols were awful. That said there were also some alternative therapies which weren’t beneficial as well.

My wife took care of a large number of ICU COVID patients and is still seeing some people with comorbidities now who require hospitalization.
The learning curve was hydroxycloroquine or ivermectin. Why do you think the powers that be banned it? Why did those countries that allowed those two treatments have the lowest death and injury rate?

Why did the government ban it? Because IF there were treatments available that would fight this imaginary illness they couldn't introduce the experimental non-vaccine. Logic left the building.

I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna live a lie. Common sense should prevail.

I never would have considered taking an untested shot. I have multiple comorbities and I've never had Covid, neither has anyone in my family had Covid or taken the jab. It was a summer flu. I've never taken a flu shot or had the flu either.

I got Shingles, and my wife treated it with Apple Cider Vinegar and Q tips for 2 days, and it was gone. Never considered a Shingles shot.
 
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The learning curve was hydroxycloroquine or ivermectin. Why do you think the powers that be banned it? Why did those countries that allowed those two treatments have the lowest death and injury rate?

Why did the government ban it? Because IF there were treatments available that would fight this imaginary illness they couldn't introduce the experimental non-vaccine. Logic left the building.

I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna live a lie. Common sense should prevail.

I never would have considered taking an untested shot. I have multiple comorbities and I've never had Covid, neither has anyone in my family had Covid or taken the jab. It was a summer flu. I've never taken a flu shot or had the flu either.

I got Shingles, and my wife treated it with Apple Cider Vinegar and Q tips for 2 days, and it was gone. Never considered a Shingles shot.
You've never had the flu? In your entire life? Are you a hermit with high speed internet?
 

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Both I believe. For sure Bias. Rumor was Gathers too.

There’s also a genetic abnormality which can cause sudden cardiac arrest without any other factors. I have a friend who lost a son in college. No drugs or alcohol involved and 2 autopsies and they couldn’t find anything wrong.
Hank Gathers’ autopsy showed no signs of drug use at all.
 

dinglefritz

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Or you can not take the shot and have natural immunity.
If you survive. I had a friend in his early 60s with no comorbities. He was still a runner. He died a horrible death from COVID before vaccine was available for him. Meanwhile me with all my health issues never tested positive despite a daughter waiting tables at a high traffic resort area and a wife who every day cared for COVID patients. For millions of people vaccination helped. My wife never tested positive either.
 

dinglefritz

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Some of those bioweapons killed people in the first 24 hours. Of course I'm blaming the fricking jab.
And yet the fatality rate post vaccination for Moderna’s was not statistically significantly different than the controls or unvaccinated people over a like time frame.

Look I know I’m not going to change your mind but part of being a scientist is trying to look at a population from an unemotional viewpoint. I understand there were problems primarily with the traditionally manufactured vaccine but the benefit to the population far outweighed the detriment. None of the people I know who had the full series of mRNA vaccine got COVID and none of them had adverse reactions. That’s a very small sample but there’s some fat old diabetics and one 90 year old in that group. Take it FWIW.
 
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I'm pretty sure this a-hole has turned into Howard Hughes since the coof began. It is perfectly normal for him to now interview celebrities via webcam from miles away than have them in the studio. He is just like Rage Against The Machine who were both totally "against the man" when nobody knew them. Now they both are "F you, do what the government tells you!" Rage also hates capitalism and charges hundreds of dollars for their tix now. Total hypocrites that sold their souls.
 

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And yet the fatality rate post vaccination for Moderna’s was not statistically significantly different than the controls or unvaccinated people over a like time frame.

Look I know I’m not going to change your mind but part of being a scientist is trying to look at a population from an unemotional viewpoint. I understand there were problems primarily with the traditionally manufactured vaccine but the benefit to the population far outweighed the detriment. None of the people I know who had the full series of mRNA vaccine got COVID and none of them had adverse reactions. That’s a very small sample but there’s some fat old diabetics and one 90 year old in that group. Take it FWIW.
Yeah, we've pretty well run the gamut on this topic.

You and I get along a lot better when we're talking football.

Peace out.
 

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nobody knows and anyone who says they do is full of it

science experiment playing out in realtime
Yep....millions of lab rats running around. Also..if anybody thinks that there arent more of these healthy people collapsing now than ever before, they are nuts. He uses Hank Gathers. Name 9 others that died or collapsed of heart conditions in the previous 10 years before the jab czme to be.
 

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But yet you attack the person and provide no evidence. Therein lies part of the problem - unproven technology, told it prevents covid and later find it does not, many unaccounted for deaths which people are not willing to look at and of course a perfectly wonderful drug that the company has no liability for.

It doesn’t matter how many randomized studies show that ivermectin and HCQ don’t work. Doesn’t matter how many studies show vaccines prevented deaths and hospitalizations. Unfortunately, research also shows that it’s nearly impossible to change the minds of those who believe in conspiracy theories…

“The study is a review of research on attempts to counteract conspiratorial thinking, and it finds that common strategies that involve counterarguments and fact-checking largely fail to change people’s beliefs.”


“The researchers also found that people with certain personality traits, such as a sense of antagonism toward others and high levels of paranoia, were more prone to believe conspiracy theories. Those who strongly believed in conspiracy theories were also more likely to be insecure, paranoid, emotionally volatile, impulsive, suspicious, withdrawn, manipulative, egocentric and eccentric.”
 

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It doesn’t matter how many randomized studies show that ivermectin and HCQ don’t work. Doesn’t matter how many studies show vaccines prevented deaths and hospitalizations. Unfortunately, research also shows that it’s nearly impossible to change the minds of those who believe in conspiracy theories…

“The study is a review of research on attempts to counteract conspiratorial thinking, and it finds that common strategies that involve counterarguments and fact-checking largely fail to change people’s beliefs.”


“The researchers also found that people with certain personality traits, such as a sense of antagonism toward others and high levels of paranoia, were more prone to believe conspiracy theories. Those who strongly believed in conspiracy theories were also more likely to be insecure, paranoid, emotionally volatile, impulsive, suspicious, withdrawn, manipulative, egocentric and eccentric.”
I think that last paragraph describes the majority of this board.
 

itseasyas1-2-3

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It doesn’t matter how many randomized studies show that ivermectin and HCQ don’t work. Doesn’t matter how many studies show vaccines prevented deaths and hospitalizations. Unfortunately, research also shows that it’s nearly impossible to change the minds of those who believe in conspiracy theories…

“The study is a review of research on attempts to counteract conspiratorial thinking, and it finds that common strategies that involve counterarguments and fact-checking largely fail to change people’s beliefs.”


“The researchers also found that people with certain personality traits, such as a sense of antagonism toward others and high levels of paranoia, were more prone to believe conspiracy theories. Those who strongly believed in conspiracy theories were also more likely to be insecure, paranoid, emotionally volatile, impulsive, suspicious, withdrawn, manipulative, egocentric and eccentric.”
You're a flunkie as a doctor, you may as well be a flunkie as a psychiatrist, too. Trust your phony science, you're a true Covidian.

In case you haven't noticed. you've been totally blown outta the water here by the vast number of members who never have or never will buy your ******** narrative.
 
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It doesn’t matter how many randomized studies show that ivermectin and HCQ don’t work. Doesn’t matter how many studies show vaccines prevented deaths and hospitalizations. Unfortunately, research also shows that it’s nearly impossible to change the minds of those who believe in conspiracy theories…

“The study is a review of research on attempts to counteract conspiratorial thinking, and it finds that common strategies that involve counterarguments and fact-checking largely fail to change people’s beliefs.”


“The researchers also found that people with certain personality traits, such as a sense of antagonism toward others and high levels of paranoia, were more prone to believe conspiracy theories. Those who strongly believed in conspiracy theories were also more likely to be insecure, paranoid, emotionally volatile, impulsive, suspicious, withdrawn, manipulative, egocentric and eccentric.”
The open board should have taught you it’s just not worth your time with these loons.

We dose ourselves daily with hydrocarbons, organophosphates, endocrine disrupters. We have micro plastics in our blood from water contaminated with PFAS, in addition to nitrates, microorganisms, lead and other heavy metals.

Our diets are trash and we brainwash kids trying to improve performance to increase intake of supplements and foodstuff engineered to produce desirable, but unnatural effects on our body. Even our healthy food subjects us to disease burden through unsanitary handling, pesticides, fertilizers and other heavy metal bioaccumulates.

But let’s ignore all these known disease causing agents we absorb daily and focus on the covid vaccine because I read on the tweeder that it was made by the devil.

I would bet people here fully ignore all Prop65 labels because “they are on everything”. Well….. maybe that should tell you something about the way we live. Those exposures are called a dose and they add up over time like every other danger.
 

dinglefritz

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It doesn’t matter how many randomized studies show that ivermectin and HCQ don’t work. Doesn’t matter how many studies show vaccines prevented deaths and hospitalizations. Unfortunately, research also shows that it’s nearly impossible to change the minds of those who believe in conspiracy theories…

“The study is a review of research on attempts to counteract conspiratorial thinking, and it finds that common strategies that involve counterarguments and fact-checking largely fail to change people’s beliefs.”


“The researchers also found that people with certain personality traits, such as a sense of antagonism toward others and high levels of paranoia, were more prone to believe conspiracy theories. Those who strongly believed in conspiracy theories were also more likely to be insecure, paranoid, emotionally volatile, impulsive, suspicious, withdrawn, manipulative, egocentric and eccentric.”
Look, there are reasons for people to be extremely skeptical of anything the CDC or anybody getting money from the CDC publishes. We were purposely lied to manipulate behavior and horrible decisions and policies were implemented that obstructed personal freedoms. It’s now difficult for many people to trust any institution dealing with public health.

When you politically weaponuze for political gain like was done you’re going to lose all credibility with a third of the country. When academic institutions fall lock step in line with ridiculous policies they completely destroy their credibility as well. My daughter had her college experience destroyed by Harvard. Their testing and isolation policies were ludicrous. We paid full price for an online curriculum.

It’s difficult for some people now to trust even the most well run retrospective studies. It’s sad but when people in government use a crisis like COVID for political benefit this is what you get. Likewise some on my side are doing the same by making claims that aren’t scientifically justified or accurate. It allows people who I generally otherwise agree with to make claims such as “vaccines were of no benefit” to their audiences. I like listening to Clay and Buck but damn they take huge liberties with the statistics.
 

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It doesn’t matter how many randomized studies show that ivermectin and HCQ don’t work. Doesn’t matter how many studies show vaccines prevented deaths and hospitalizations. Unfortunately, research also shows that it’s nearly impossible to change the minds of those who believe in conspiracy theories…

“The study is a review of research on attempts to counteract conspiratorial thinking, and it finds that common strategies that involve counterarguments and fact-checking largely fail to change people’s beliefs.”


“The researchers also found that people with certain personality traits, such as a sense of antagonism toward others and high levels of paranoia, were more prone to believe conspiracy theories. Those who strongly believed in conspiracy theories were also more likely to be insecure, paranoid, emotionally volatile, impulsive, suspicious, withdrawn, manipulative, egocentric and eccentric.”
You know what matters? The fact that medical professionals behaved so poorly during covid that the vast majority of Americans no longer trust their doctors.

Honestly though, that probably for the best. We're an over medicated society as it is.