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[h=2]Teams Don't View Laquon Treadwell as a Top-10 Talent [/h] Updated Feb. 5, 2016
By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell
Over the past two seasons, the NFL Draft has produced some strong classes of wide receivers. This year, the draft isn't as strong at wideout, but that hasn't stopped the media from hyping up Ole Miss wide receiver Laquon Treadwell. It isn't surprising, as Treadwell was a star recruit coming out of high school, and he was a 3-year producer at Ole Miss. There have been lofty comparisons with Treadwell to other elite receiver prospects, but NFL teams aren't grading Treadwell that high. In fact, most of the teams we've spoken to have Treadwell as a late first-rounder, with only one saying they have him as mid first-round pick.
The teams that are grading Treadwell as a late first-rounder say whoever likes him enough to draft him might do so in the middle of the first round. A general manger of a playoff team believes that Treadwell is a little overrated, and he views him as a big, strong, possession receiver in the NFL. Two other teams said they had Treadwell as a late first-rounder. One college scouting director said Treadwell could go in the mid first because this a weak year for receivers and teams will draft out of need at the position.
The reason that teams aren't as high on Treadwell as the hype machine is a lack of speed to separate. They view Treadwell as a big, strong, long, possession receiver with good hands. He routinely uses his size and strength beat defensive backs for 50-50 passes. However, he isn't fast or explosive. He isn't a vertical threat to stretch a defense over the top. If Treadwell had speed, he'd be similar to Julio Jones or A.J. Green and a top 10-pick. Teams say they aren't expecting Treadwell to run fast at the Combine.
The team that has Treadwell graded as a mid first-round pick, and liked him more than others, believes he has some characteristics similar to the Texans' DeAndre Hopkins in the ability to win 50-50 passes. Hopkins was a late first-rounder in the 2013 NFL Draft, but Houston clearly out-scouted the rest of the league, as Hopkins is one of the best players to come out of that draft class.
If the 6-foot-2, 229-pound Treadwell runs well at the Combine, it could help to change some minds and push his draft grade higher. Right now, teams see him in the middle to back half of the picks on Thursday night with a grade of a late first-rounder being held by many teams.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill.php#TIUHuWsOf1cIRgPY.99
[h=2]Teams Don't View Laquon Treadwell as a Top-10 Talent [/h] Updated Feb. 5, 2016
By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell
Over the past two seasons, the NFL Draft has produced some strong classes of wide receivers. This year, the draft isn't as strong at wideout, but that hasn't stopped the media from hyping up Ole Miss wide receiver Laquon Treadwell. It isn't surprising, as Treadwell was a star recruit coming out of high school, and he was a 3-year producer at Ole Miss. There have been lofty comparisons with Treadwell to other elite receiver prospects, but NFL teams aren't grading Treadwell that high. In fact, most of the teams we've spoken to have Treadwell as a late first-rounder, with only one saying they have him as mid first-round pick.
The teams that are grading Treadwell as a late first-rounder say whoever likes him enough to draft him might do so in the middle of the first round. A general manger of a playoff team believes that Treadwell is a little overrated, and he views him as a big, strong, possession receiver in the NFL. Two other teams said they had Treadwell as a late first-rounder. One college scouting director said Treadwell could go in the mid first because this a weak year for receivers and teams will draft out of need at the position.
The reason that teams aren't as high on Treadwell as the hype machine is a lack of speed to separate. They view Treadwell as a big, strong, long, possession receiver with good hands. He routinely uses his size and strength beat defensive backs for 50-50 passes. However, he isn't fast or explosive. He isn't a vertical threat to stretch a defense over the top. If Treadwell had speed, he'd be similar to Julio Jones or A.J. Green and a top 10-pick. Teams say they aren't expecting Treadwell to run fast at the Combine.
The team that has Treadwell graded as a mid first-round pick, and liked him more than others, believes he has some characteristics similar to the Texans' DeAndre Hopkins in the ability to win 50-50 passes. Hopkins was a late first-rounder in the 2013 NFL Draft, but Houston clearly out-scouted the rest of the league, as Hopkins is one of the best players to come out of that draft class.
If the 6-foot-2, 229-pound Treadwell runs well at the Combine, it could help to change some minds and push his draft grade higher. Right now, teams see him in the middle to back half of the picks on Thursday night with a grade of a late first-rounder being held by many teams.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill.php#TIUHuWsOf1cIRgPY.99
I agree. He was just physically impossible to stop one on one with a CB on the outside.
Which made Calhoun's play so much more impressive. Or maybe OM just used him as a decoy for the Egg Bowl and let other players beat us. Regardless - Calhoun shut him down statistically.
Which made Calhoun's play so much more impressive. Or maybe OM just used him as a decoy for the Egg Bowl and let other players beat us. Regardless - Calhoun shut him down statistically.
I can kind of see how scouts would talk themselves into thinking that he's already very polished and relied a lot on his strength in college, so presumably there isn't a lot of room for a high side surprise. His strength won't be as big of an advantage against NFL CBs, his speed will just be average against NFL CBs, and he already runs good routes, so what is he going to do to elevate his game against better competition.
I'm not sure that's right, but even if it is, the flip side of that Treadwell has a very high floor. At worst, you're going to get a very effective possession receiver.
I concur.
Also, I'm not buying the Elway/Manning feud. He's retiring. No way he risks not going out on top, not to mention further injury. He joined the Broncos for that very reason: to go out like Elway.
Tebow wasn't any better than Dak...
he just played with WAY better players. As you can see, he wasn't even as good as $cam when it was all said and done. Tebow has horrible footwork and his accuracy is awful by NFL standards. Dak struggles with his accuracy at times also, but put him with Florida, their OL at the time and their skill players and he would've achieved just as much. As far as the NFL, he's a better prospect. Everybody KNEW Tebow wasn't gonna be any good at the NFL level, and that's why he lasted until dumbass Josh McDaniels traded up to draft him at 25. Otherwise, he probably would've lasted until at least the 3rd round. Every Bronco fan I know (myself included) is still pissed at McDaniels for wasting a 2,3, and 4 to trade up for him.
he just played with WAY better players. As you can see, he wasn't even as good as $cam when it was all said and done. Tebow has horrible footwork and his accuracy is awful by NFL standards. Dak struggles with his accuracy at times also, but put him with Florida, their OL at the time and their skill players and he would've achieved just as much. As far as the NFL, he's a better prospect. Everybody KNEW Tebow wasn't gonna be any good at the NFL level, and that's why he lasted until dumbass Josh McDaniels traded up to draft him at 25. Otherwise, he probably would've lasted until at least the 3rd round. Every Bronco fan I know (myself included) is still pissed at McDaniels for wasting a 2,3, and 4 to trade up for him.
Let this sink in. Today, Right now, in 2016---Dak throws better than Manning. Yeah I said it! Getting Dak would be an upgrade for Denver at this point.
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the fullback position isn't part of the pro game anymore.
Dak runs circles around Tebow skills wise. It isn't even close.
Dak runs circles around Tebow skills wise. It isn't even close.
And Leaf looks forward to laughing in Peyton's face---just as soon as Ryan gets out of prison.
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I refrained from responding earlier to Bane's inanity...simply because I was confused by the "better" part. I was hoping he worded it incorrectly.
You summed it up, U. And yes, as a lifelong Broncos fan, 17 Josh McDumbass. However, I think Shannahan's benching of Jake "The Snake" Plummer, the season following his best ever as a pro (he didn't throw an interception til week 12+ if I recall correctly), for Jay Cutler might be more egregious than Josh drafting Tebow.
You summed it up, U. And yes, as a lifelong Broncos fan, 17 Josh McDumbass. However, I think Shannahan's benching of Jake "The Snake" Plummer, the season following his best ever as a pro (he didn't throw an interception til week 12+ if I recall correctly), for Jay Cutler might be more egregious than Josh drafting Tebow.
Dak's a much better QB than Tebow ever dreamed of being. Tebow is a better fullback, but there's not much room in the NFL for a lot of QB runs up the middle. And Dak doesn't bring anywhere near the media distractions Tebow would. He'll play #2 or even #3 without a national outcry of discrimination.
I still can't forgive Jake for turning into the old Jake at the worst possible time (the AFC title game at home) against a decent, but not great, Steeler team. Then we would've had to face another decent, but not great, Seattle team. We should've had a cakewalk to the title and and this year should've been our 4th Lombardi.. but oh well.
Elway IS the problem. Apparently, Elway and Peyton now can't be in the same room together. Tebow took over a horrible Denver team that started 1-4 .. led them to a playoff win over Pittsburg. Tebow had horrible passing numbers BUT he was a leader who gave it all on the field. He was also able to add his rushing abilities to help the team. He was not flashy but he was a winner that year.
Elway promised Tebow that he was going to be his starter for the '12 season .. right before he signed Peyton and then traded Tebow.
Denver's defense was REALLY good.. and they kept the games close enough for Tebow to pull a drive or two out of his *** every game and then get the glory for it. He led them to a playoff win in the wildcard round. We haven't played in the wildcard round since. And Elway just put together one of the best defenses in NFL history, certainly in the modern passing-dominated era. If you think Elway is the problem, you must be related to Tim Tebow or you don't know **** about ****. If Josh McDumbass hadn't wasted a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round pick to get Tebow, our roster might be even better than it is now, especially on the OL.
And the reason there might be animosity between Peyton and Elway is bc Elway asked him to take a paycut last offseason (which turned out to be a huge help to the team.. and looking back he wasn't worth nearly what he still ended up making). And it doesn't matter bc Peyton is done in Denver regardless of whether he retires or not. His salary cap number is something like $21.5M and he only has $2.5M in dead money if he gets released or traded so that's a no-brainer.
And the reason there might be animosity between Peyton and Elway is bc Elway asked him to take a paycut last offseason (which turned out to be a huge help to the team.. and looking back he wasn't worth nearly what he still ended up making). And it doesn't matter bc Peyton is done in Denver regardless of whether he retires or not. His salary cap number is something like $21.5M and he only has $2.5M in dead money if he gets released or traded so that's a no-brainer.
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