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AM and LM would be much better running that than what we are asking to do right now.
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The question is, could Scott and his staff teach it and would players come to NE to run it? But, yes, it would still work in college if it was executed like TO’s version,
Pistol formation option game please! Works really well for me in NCAA Football on PlayStation...lol.
Seriously though. I'm in love with the formation, and Indiana is clearly having a ton of success with it. Too bad they're whiny cheaters or I'd root for them.
Seriously though. I'm in love with the formation, and Indiana is clearly having a ton of success with it. Too bad they're whiny cheaters or I'd root for them.
He could probably teach it better than whatever it is he's trying to teach now.
It baffles me that we almost never see triple. Theoretically there's a lot of RPO where there third "option" is a pass. When you can't throw accurately, I consider that just zone-read.
They keep skipping the step where you have to establish ANYTHING as a credible threat before you can start trotting out all the clever wrinkles off that play. That's how Osborne killed people, hammer a play and hammer a play, then give them one that looked like all the same keys except it wasn't the same play. But the threat had to exist first.
Defenses know we can't throw and it's making their job really easy. Just jump all over the lateral stuff and don't even worry about getting hit middle or deep because we'll screw it up. Blow the read, give up pressure, throw a bad ball.
Preach it brother! Preach it!
A successful team has to have something that works and keeps a defense worrying and adjusting.
Like a boxer hitting an opponent with his left. The opponent either gets used to the taste of that left or over adjusts and samples the taste of the right.
I used to raise hell when TO would call FB up the middle for 2 yards. But then the pitch play would start working to the edge. The D would adjust to the pitch and the the FB up the middle would go for 6 or 8.
A thing of beauty.
It would be fun to see Frost change up to a more physical style of play, like when he QB'd at Nebraska.
McCaffrey couldn't take that pounding that Frost did. Frost was a pretty good sized quarterback.
This isn't about McCaffrey. It's about establishing an IDENTITY. Been screaming for this for years. Zig when everyone else zags.
I am one to believe it doesn't matter what the formation is. It comes down to execution. The spread puts pressure on the D with the various option reads, RPO's etc. Many seem to think Tom ran option all the time when in fact, it was just part of the arsenal. There was a lot of straight power football that sets that up.
People talk about the different blocks they are asking guys to make in the spread with pulling, pinning, wham, etc. What is different in the TO offense? Guys trapped blocked, pulled, reached, pinned, etc all the time.
Its execution down to the very smallest detail and we do not have that.
People talk about the different blocks they are asking guys to make in the spread with pulling, pinning, wham, etc. What is different in the TO offense? Guys trapped blocked, pulled, reached, pinned, etc all the time.
Its execution down to the very smallest detail and we do not have that.
Did anybody else see that D Jackson played? On goal line defense, Kudos to him for getting better.
Well they most definitely ran some of it successfully as a gimick against OSU last year wasn't it? It really isn't that tough to learn BUT inevitably you still have to have a passing threat and players who can remember a snap count and how to block without getting a holding call.
It’s one thing to run the offense and another to teach someone how to run it......you would think it would be a natural fit. IMO, Nebraska will struggle to do better than they have the past few years unless they go back to an offense that looks a lot like the one Scott ran at Nebraska. It will work if executed like TO’s teams. If TO tried to run the offense Frost is running right now, he wouldn’t have been successful either.
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Yet Tom said after he retired that IF he had continued to coach that his offense would have likely morphed in to what Urban was doing with the spread at Florida at the time. There's really not that much difference between that and what Frost is trying to do now. As with any offense, it's all about execution and the QB. Right now we're a little short at both of those right now. IF we had played a clean game penalty and turnover wise against Northwestern, we would have won by 3 TDs.
Yep. There's nothing magic about putting a FB on the field, you need to have something that you do well. Right now Nebraska doesn't do ANYTHING well on offense. They keep throwing spaghetti at the wall.
Somebody who knows more X and O than I do will have to explain to me why we can't run that split back triple option where it's a zone read with a trail back. Mills is your inside read, Wan'dale is your trail back. Like we can dick around running belly options out of the I for just the OSU game each year but we can't call this?
I just don't get any of what they're doing.
A lot of teams that run the spread still use the same blocking concepts that were used by Joe Gibbs when he was the head coach of Washington and what TO used at Nebraska. I seen several teams running counter with the backside guard and tackle pulling, you'll also see some trap. The only difference is that there isn't a full back being used in the offense. Spread offenses pull the extra defenders out of the box as well.
Frost uses his TE as a lead blocker on some plays and even lines him up in the backfield at times. Personally I'm still a big fan of Tom's I formation option football but I'm an even bigger fan of winning. The spead option offense will work if we can execute it and stop killing ourselves with penalties and turnovers.
You can certainly do that, but you don't have to line up Wandale in the I either. Put him in the slot, you can motion him and have him become the pitchman. You can also motion him and run inverted veer with him. What most commentators call the zone read is just a veer. The same play that's been ran in college football for many many years, just doing it out of the spread.
I will say this as a high school football coach. It's a lot easier for me to defend the old I formation with one or two TE's than it is to defend a spread offense with power run schemes. I can put 8, 9 and even slide a 10th guy into the box against teams that run 22 personnel. When teams are spreading you out running 10 personnel or 11 personnel I can't drop the extra defenders into the box. Stopping counter, trap and power is really tough with 6 or 7 in the box. DB's have to be very disciplined and you better be really good at running cover 2.
Taking it a step further, I put myself in opposing D-Coordinator shoes:
1. We don’t really have to take away the pass, cus they have no passing threat (e.g. OSU had some plays where CB totally abandoned our WR pre-snap)
2. Focus on taking out the RB as he’s a bigger threat to us if we let him loose both gaining more yards and pounding down our defense- plus Martinez gives RB the ball half the time we have RB covered for a loss. (Take a peak at Mills’ stats thru 2 games).
3. That leaves Martinez to run (shows in the stats he’s the one they let loose). This gets misinterpreted as great plays by QB, but he avoids contact meaning our defenders don’t have to worry about YAC or missed tackles and he fumbles a high % of the carries if he is hit.
That’s a simple formula for an opposing team to say “Let Martinez have his run yards. That alone won’t beat us.”
I don’t care what formation we run. Because no matter the formation you have to execute. How about we hold off on the talk of changing formations until we can run a play without a false start in an empty stadium devoid of crowd noise.