Bravery test for Leftists

atlkvb

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Let's see how many of you honestly answer this question:

When it comes to taxation of upper income earners, what is a 'fair share' to tax? In other words, at what income level are folks considered "wealthy" by you Leftists, and what percent of that income (whatever it is) should be confiscated...oops...or...uh..."taxed" as their 'fair share' to be turned into Democrat handouts for the poor?

I need a number for earnings and a percentage of that which gets taxed...say for instance 48% of anything above 250,000. Got it?

OK...let's hear it.
 

Bulya

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Let's see how many of you honestly answer this question:

When it comes to taxation of upper income earners, what is a 'fair share' to tax? In other words, at what income level are folks considered "wealthy" by you Leftists, and what percent of that income (whatever it is) should be confiscated...oops...or...uh..."taxed" as their 'fair share' to be turned into Democrat handouts for the poor?

I need a number for earnings and a percentage of that which gets taxed...say for instance 48% of anything above 250,000. Got it?

OK...let's hear it.

I don't have time to break it down but I'd be happy with the 1954 Tax Code when Ike was President. Question for you Righty do you support the Athletes kneeling at Ole Miss? You down with a KKK Rally outside the building while you're about to play a basketball game?
 
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I don't have time to break it down but I'd be happy with the 1954 Tax Code when Ike was President. Question for you Righty do you support the Athletes kneeling at Ole Miss? You down with a KKK Rally outside the building while you're about to play a basketball game?
you ok with madonna bombing the white house?
 

Keyser76

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I dunno, maybe FDR levels? Why you rubes such suckers for the rich? They play ya like a violin.
 

atlkvb

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I don't have time to break it down but I'd be happy with the 1954 Tax Code when Ike was President. Question for you Righty do you support the Athletes kneeling at Ole Miss? You down with a KKK Rally outside the building while you're about to play a basketball game?

Very brave answer Bulya. I asked for numbers you give me platitudes. Thanks for playing along.
 

Bulya

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Very brave answer Bulya. I asked for numbers you give me platitudes. Thanks for playing along.

I'll come back this weekend when I have some free time to fry your mind with tax numbers. You didn't answer my KKK question.
 

TarHeelEer

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I'll come back this weekend when I have some free time to fry your mind with tax numbers. You didn't answer my KKK question.

Well, he's black, so...

 

Bulya

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Very brave answer Bulya. I asked for numbers you give me platitudes. Thanks for playing along.

Little taste tester for ya!

It is worth noting that, per the Piketty, Saez, and Zucman data, the tax rates of the top 0.1 and 0.01 percent of taxpayers have dropped substantially since the 1950s. The average tax rate on the 0.1 percent highest-income Americans was 50.6 percent in the 1950s, compared to 39.8 percent today. The average tax rate on the top 0.01 percent was 55.3 percent in the 1950s, compared to 40.8 percent today.
 
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Let's see how many of you honestly answer this question:

When it comes to taxation of upper income earners, what is a 'fair share' to tax? In other words, at what income level are folks considered "wealthy" by you Leftists, and what percent of that income (whatever it is) should be confiscated...oops...or...uh..."taxed" as their 'fair share' to be turned into Democrat handouts for the poor?

I need a number for earnings and a percentage of that which gets taxed...say for instance 48% of anything above 250,000. Got it?

OK...let's hear it.

I don't even know what the tax code is. I really don't care what the tax rate is. I want to see it fair for everyone. I can tell you I don't want to see deductions for personal airplanes, loopholes that allow the rich to shelter income, and deductions of personal expenses through a business. I want to see a massive tax on short term capital gains (50% under 1 year of holding), increases in the caps for SS and Medicare to $1,000,000, and a "luxury tax" of 10% on salaries and bonuses over $1,000,000.

Is that a socialistic policy to you?
 

atlkvb

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Little taste tester for ya!

It is worth noting that, per the Piketty, Saez, and Zucman data, the tax rates of the top 0.1 and 0.01 percent of taxpayers have dropped substantially since the 1950s. The average tax rate on the 0.1 percent highest-income Americans was 50.6 percent in the 1950s, compared to 39.8 percent today. The average tax rate on the top 0.01 percent was 55.3 percent in the 1950s, compared to 40.8 percent today.

So would it be fair to say that the top 10% of tax earners in this country right now most of them with incomes above 250k providing 84% of the total revenue Uncle Sam collects which currently is close to 4 trillion dollars annually is not enough?
 

Bulya

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I don't even know what the tax code is. I really don't care what the tax rate is. I want to see it fair for everyone. I can tell you I don't want to see deductions for personal airplanes, loopholes that allow the rich to shelter income, and deductions of personal expenses through a business. I want to see a massive tax on short term capital gains (50% under 1 year of holding), increases in the caps for SS and Medicare to $1,000,000, and a "luxury tax" of 10% on salaries and bonuses over $1,000,000.

Is that a socialistic policy to you?

Would put a dent in the deficit and help fund infrastructure repair which would actually help the Top 10% in the long run since it would make the movement of goods and services much more productive and increase their investment profitability and lastly your proposal solidify social security forever.
 

Bulya

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So would it be fair to say that the top 10% of tax earners in this country right now most of them with incomes above 250k providing 84% of the total revenue Uncle Sam collects which currently is close to 4 trillion dollars annually is not enough?

The Treasury took in $3.3 Trillion in 2018 so not sure how the Top 10% gave over $4 Trillion at the same time though we did spend $4.1 Trillion. Simple math car man you've helped many a buyer with deficit spending I'm sure and the US Congress has 2 choices raise taxes for more revenue or cut spending. I run how my household and businesses with a positive cash flow but I'm not stupid I passed grade school, high school and college math courses and actually know 2>1 and 1<2.
 

atlkvb

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For those of you who may be reading this thread notice how the Left refuses to give hard numbers on what exactly is a "fair share" or at what income level but is never satisfied with the amount of income currently being confiscated? For instance they called the Trump tax cuts which were the largest in history "crumbs", and still complain about "giveaways" to the "rich"[eyeroll]

Telling.
 

atlkvb

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The Treasury took in $3.3 Trillion in 2018 so not sure how the Top 10% gave over $4 Trillion at the same time though we did spend $4.1 Trillion. Simple math car man you've helped many a buyer with deficit spending I'm sure and the US Congress has 2 choices raise taxes for more revenue or cut spending. I run how my household and businesses with a positive cash flow but I'm not stupid I passed grade school, high school and college math courses and actually know 2>1 and 1<2.

I'm still waiting for you to give me some hard numbers bulya....this isn't a discussion over Federal outlays and the tax code it's a philosophical discussion over just how much of someone else's money you Leftists can't get enough of?

So what's a fair share of income to be taxed what is the limit?

At what point do you folks on the Left say we have enough of your money?
 

Bulya

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For those of you who may be reading this thread notice how the Left refuses to give hard numbers on what exactly is a "fair share" or at what income level but is never satisfied with the amount of income currently being confiscated? For instance they called the Trump tax cuts which were the largest in history "crumbs", and still complain about "giveaways" to the "rich"[eyeroll]

Telling.

The only thing telling is how thick your skull is I gave you hard numbers either someone is not paying enough taxes or we're spending too much money. Likely a combo of both but that makes too much sense for you to admit.
 

atlkvb

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The only thing telling is how thick your skull is I gave you hard numbers either someone is not paying enough taxes or we're spending too much money. Likely a combo of both but that makes too much sense for you to admit.

Go back and read my original question and then post the actual numbers that actually answer the question the way I asked it.

I don't think there was anything in my original question about the KKK or taking a knee at a basketball game or all the other caca you've posted in this thread. What I asked for specifically is in the original post, I didn't read your answer.
 

atlkvb

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The only thing telling is how thick your skull is I gave you hard numbers either someone is not paying enough taxes or we're spending too much money. Likely a combo of both but that makes too much sense for you to admit.

I actually think if you were brave enough to be completely honest about it you don't think there should be any limits on anyone's income that is taxed. We'll just take what we need and maybe leave you with the rest which should be enough if we say it is. What is the philosophy or the basis behind taking more than 10 to 20% of anything anyone earns?
 

eerdoc

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The only thing telling is how thick your skull is I gave you hard numbers either someone is not paying enough taxes or we're spending too much money. Likely a combo of both but that makes too much sense for you to admit.
And when the going gets a little testy those on the Left resort to their next tactic---using name calling and insults.
Note---"...The only thing telling is how thick your skull is..."
 

atlkvb

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And when the going gets a little testy those on the Left resort to their next tactic---using name calling and insults.
Note---"...The only thing telling is how thick your skull is..."


I wish one of them would call out some hard numbers instead of the names they're calling out. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
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Little taste tester for ya!

It is worth noting that, per the Piketty, Saez, and Zucman data, the tax rates of the top 0.1 and 0.01 percent of taxpayers have dropped substantially since the 1950s. The average tax rate on the 0.1 percent highest-income Americans was 50.6 percent in the 1950s, compared to 39.8 percent today. The average tax rate on the top 0.01 percent was 55.3 percent in the 1950s, compared to 40.8 percent today.

There is a historical table in this link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States

Yes, the tax rate for the top bracket has been as high as 90-some percent in the 1950s.
 

79eer

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And when the going gets a little testy those on the Left resort to their next tactic---using name calling and insults.
Note---"...The only thing telling is how thick your skull is..."
- Libs same old song and dance, .... the largest, most corrupt, inefficient, wasteful ******** ever created ..... needs more of your $$$$$.
 

atlkvb

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I'm going to answer my own question just so you Leftists will get an idea of the type of numbers I'm asking for from you.

I think the top tax rate should be 15%. Non-deductible based on earned income either through savings or Investments or however you put dollars in your pocket. I think 15% across the board for everyone who earned income is both fair and will provide plenty of money to fund all the operations of Uncle Sam that are either needed or necessary.

If that's not enough money then we're spending too much.

So if you earn $15,000 in one year you pay 15% on that income. That's $2,250.

You earn 150,000...you pay 15% on that income. That's 22,500.

You earn 150 million you pay 15% on that income. That's 22,500,000.

See how easy that is?
(but not if you want it all or think it all belongs to the government)
 
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Well, he's black, so...


So would it be fair to say that the top 10% of tax earners in this country right now most of them with incomes above 250k providing 84% of the total revenue Uncle Sam collects which currently is close to 4 trillion dollars annually is not enough?

Your logic is so flawed. First of all, your numbers are fairy tale. From the Pew Institute in 2015, taxes on people making $200k or more is 59% of total of individual taxes paid. Every non-corporate return filed amounted to $1.6 trillion of 48% of US revenues........So I cross checked those with other research (WSJ). (something you don't do BTW) and found that in 2017, people making $150k or more actually do pay 87% of individual taxes or 50% of the US revenue. THIS IS NOWHERE NEAR YOUR 84% of total US revenue you claimed.

Verify something someday.
 
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For those of you who may be reading this thread notice how the Left refuses to give hard numbers on what exactly is a "fair share" or at what income level but is never satisfied with the amount of income currently being confiscated? For instance they called the Trump tax cuts which were the largest in history "crumbs", and still complain about "giveaways" to the "rich"[eyeroll]

Telling.

As your unverified numbers clearly evidence, you are clearly one of the low information voters that plagues the US population.
 
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The Treasury took in $3.3 Trillion in 2018 so not sure how the Top 10% gave over $4 Trillion at the same time though we did spend $4.1 Trillion. Simple math car man you've helped many a buyer with deficit spending I'm sure and the US Congress has 2 choices raise taxes for more revenue or cut spending. I run how my household and businesses with a positive cash flow but I'm not stupid I passed grade school, high school and college math courses and actually know 2>1 and 1<2.

See my post above. He cuts and pastes and never verifies anything.
 

atlkvb

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Your logic is so flawed. First of all, your numbers are fairy tale. From the Pew Institute in 2015, taxes on people making $200k or more is 59% of total of individual taxes paid. Every non-corporate return filed amounted to $1.6 trillion of 48% of US revenues........So I cross checked those with other research (WSJ). (something you don't do BTW) and found that in 2017, people making $150k or more actually do pay 87% of individual taxes or 50% of the US revenue. THIS IS NOWHERE NEAR YOUR 84% of total US revenue you claimed.

Verify something someday.

What part of the OP are you having difficulty with? Go back read it again and post YOUR numbers.
 
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I'm going to answer my own question just so you Leftists will get an idea of the type of numbers I'm asking for from you.

I think the top tax rate should be 15%. Non-deductible based on earned income either through savings or Investments or however you put dollars in your pocket. I think 15% across the board for everyone who earned income is both fair and will provide plenty of money to fund all the operations of Uncle Sam that are either needed or necessary.

If that's not enough money then we're spending too much.

So if you earn $15,000 in one year you pay 15% on that income. That's $2,250.

You earn 150,000...you pay 15% on that income. That's 22,500.

You earn 150 million you pay 15% on that income. That's 22,500,000.

See how easy that is?
(but not if you want it all or think it all belongs to the government)


Damn! You have no f'ucking clue. We currently have a huge deficit (not to mention debt) with effective tax rates much, much higher than 15%. Our debt problem is obviously two-pronged; too much spending and not enough tax revenue. If you look at the historical income tax tables for the US, you will see we have dropped effective income tax rates substantially over the years. The income tax in this country only accounts for about half of the total tax revenue - another huge flaw in your proposal, further showing your ignorance.

Here is a little excerpt from "The Balance."

The government's annual income only pays for 88 percent of spending. It creates a $985 billion budget deficit. Shouldn't Congress only spend what it earns, just like you and me? It depends on where the economy is in the business cycle. Congress should use deficit spending to boost economic growth in a recession. It uses stimulus spending to create jobs. Once the recession is over, the government should live within its means and spend less. It should raise taxes, if needed, to reduce the deficit and the debt. That will keep the economy from overheating and forming dangerous bubbles. Congress should switch from expansionary to contractionary fiscal policy. The revenue collected equals 16.3 percent of gross domestic product. That's the nation's measurement of economic output. That's like saying the average tax rate for the United States itself is 16.3 percent. If that much production is going to the federal government, then you want to make sure it's reinvested into the economy to support future growth. It's also much lower than the historical 19 percent target. But that's because the Trump administration cut taxes. It also estimates GDP will increase 3.2 percent in FY 2019. That's higher than the ideal growth rate. Revenues would be much higher without the Trump tax plan. It was also lowered by the extension of the Bush tax cuts and the Obama tax cuts. They were meant to fight the 2001 recession and 2008 recession. They were supposed to spur the consumer spending that drives almost 70 percent of economic growth. But most people didn't even realize this happened, since the tax cut showed up as reduced withholding instead of a check. Instead of spending the cuts, people used some of it to pay off debt. The recession scared people into saving more and using credit cards less. So, the budget didn't expand enough to spur economic growth. Now that the recession is over, those tax cuts should be reversed. Taxes should be increased, not cut. An economic expansion is the time to pay off the debt, not add to it.
 

atlkvb

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Your logic is so flawed. First of all, your numbers are fairy tale. From the Pew Institute in 2015, taxes on people making $200k or more is 59% of total of individual taxes paid. Every non-corporate return filed amounted to $1.6 trillion of 48% of US revenues........So I cross checked those with other research (WSJ). (something you don't do BTW) and found that in 2017, people making $150k or more actually do pay 87% of individual taxes or 50% of the US revenue. THIS IS NOWHERE NEAR YOUR 84% of total US revenue you claimed.

Verify something someday.


Top 20% pay 87% of all taxes

https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-20-of-americans-will-pay-87-of-income-tax-1523007001