Brad Stevens
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you aint doing nothing without an elite PG
Losing big leads in the NBA does not seem that uncommon- Suns fan and I watched them lose a 20+ halftime lead to Brooklyn last week who was without Irving and Durant- 24 second shot clock always keeps things interesting
Come on now, there’s a difference in getting to the title game twice with Butler and twice with UK. Calipari had the talent advantage in both of his appearances. Stevens has not.
Tatum is damn good no doubt. But is he on the level of Durant, Embid, Giannis. Not at all. And that’s not even getting to the supporting player alongside those guys. Boston’s roster is flawed. It doesn’t matter how good the coaching is.
As for Calipari, it’s not just “one bad season.” This season is just the culminationof a program that’s been in decline for a few seasons. If Calipari showed that he at least recognized and was willing to work on the flaws in the program then more people would be in board with him. But he has shown himself to be plenty stubborn and arrogant when it comes to people question the direction of the program and most see that he won’t change. That’s why they want him gone.
Tatum is damn good no doubt. But is he on the level of Durant, Embid, Giannis. Not at all. And that’s not even getting to the supporting player alongside those guys. Boston’s roster is flawed. It doesn’t matter how good the coaching is.
As for Calipari, it’s not just “one bad season.” This season is just the culminationof a program that’s been in decline for a few seasons. If Calipari showed that he at least recognized and was willing to work on the flaws in the program then more people would be in board with him. But he has shown himself to be plenty stubborn and arrogant when it comes to people question the direction of the program and most see that he won’t change. That’s why they want him gone.
Lol, the last tournament we were a shot from the F4. Last year likely would have had a very good finish as well, considering we won 9 out of the last 10 games played. If that is a decline, I am okay with it for a bit.
Durant just started playing in the Eastern Conference this year. Embid and the suckers always underachieve.
@RunninRichie Dragic is good, sure, but you said elite....
He is coaching in the era of the super teams. Brad Stevens had to get his Celtics by the Lebron-super teams, and even if he got by them, GSW was waiting. But he's been to the conference finals 3 times now. His teams are always above 500 ball (aside from his first year or two).
Celtics just need get that final piece. They really don't have a big man, and they haven't for some time. Their PG play has also been weak.. Irving at first, and he didn't want to be there.. and then Kemba, who is great, but injury prone, and just isn't what he was. Then you got Haywards awful injury derailing their season on opening night..
IDK, I think Stevens has done a pretty good job, all things considered.
Celtics just need get that final piece. They really don't have a big man, and they haven't for some time. Their PG play has also been weak.. Irving at first, and he didn't want to be there.. and then Kemba, who is great, but injury prone, and just isn't what he was. Then you got Haywards awful injury derailing their season on opening night..
IDK, I think Stevens has done a pretty good job, all things considered.
Well, the game went to overtime, which indicates it was tied at end of regulation. If you make just one more shot during that period you win, right?
It’s not uncommon at all. Matter or fact, it’s basically the norm. Like you said, with the 24 second shot clock. Not to mention, all the 3 point shooters and the rules that favor the offense nowadays.
Only college job I could see him take is Duke, and I still don’t know if he would or if Duke would offer. He’s still an above average coach and isn’t getting fired anytime soon. If he did, he would easily be able to get another NBA job.
You know it is funny, sometimes I wonder if Stevens wasn't just a flash in the pan and isn't necessarily the genius can't miss coach many think he is.
I am really not trying to downplay what he did at Butler because it is remarkable for back to back runner ups...but the tourney is an odd beast in and of itself.
Looking back on those two runs, excluding the first round game in '10 their 9 wins were decided by less than 4ppg. Now, it is a sign of a great coach to win close games but luck is always a factor. Just interesting to look back on how impactful those runs were to his career as they escaped a 2nd round loss in '10 and first round loss in '11.
I am really not trying to downplay what he did at Butler because it is remarkable for back to back runner ups...but the tourney is an odd beast in and of itself.
Looking back on those two runs, excluding the first round game in '10 their 9 wins were decided by less than 4ppg. Now, it is a sign of a great coach to win close games but luck is always a factor. Just interesting to look back on how impactful those runs were to his career as they escaped a 2nd round loss in '10 and first round loss in '11.
Because family knows where all the skeletons are.
Beat me to it! You snooze you lose. I believe for Stevens he would step aside quietly.
It's probably both. You could run those tournaments 100 times in a simulation... and in some of them, maybe he makes the title games again.. but I bet a lot of them he never reaches the Final 4.
And at the same time, he's pretty successful in the NBA if you ask me.. And the NBA is a player driven league. All 30-32 teams in the pro's get the same money to spend and are equalized by the draft.. But with the NBA, if some players want to team up, not much you can do about it. Brad Stevens has been playing "catch-up" his entire career.. both Butler and Boston.. always facing teams with a good deal more talent. He's never had the most talented team. Yet, he still has "something" to show for it (ECF appearances).. thats more than you can say about the often talked about coaches here.. Cal, K, and yes, even Saban.
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LOL at everyone downplaying Stevens' coaching ability. The guy is the mastermind of setting up an out of bounds play that will result in a bucket nearly every time. He's an X's and O's genius ... can he recruit at a high level for college? Don't know. But the brand would do a lot of that for him, I suspect, at any place he would go next ...
You're not missing much. I use to do the same thing but made the mistake of posting once. They want no one on that site except Dook fans. They want their precious Virgin circle jerk kept secret. All I posted was in response to them blasting the cats for not shaking hands. I said we tried but they were celebrating like they won the title and we were not going to stand around and watch. I got bashed immediately and a few back and forths and BANNED. I mentioned it on here and some of our members went there and viewed it and clearly saw there was not anything there to ban over. But whatever. We accept other fans here and even go back and forth with them. Even Dook fans, although I haven't seen them around this year. They don't want BB discussion they want to live in their little bubble under their rat god.
I agree 100%. Very glad to read your post ! (At the risk of immodesty ... I've been saying this on this board since 2016.)
Oh, I want no part of their discussions. They’re one weird bunch. I have always wondered what their term, “OFC”, meant.
I don't understand the fasination with Stevens. Other than those 2 years at Butler, what has he done ? He did nothing before those 2 years, and has not done anything since. I just don't understand why a lot of you on here think that he is some sort of savior. Gordon Hayward had more to do with those Butler teams than anything that Stevens did.
I don't know why you're talking about Stevens. He's not coming to UK and you have your own Brad Stevens in Chris Holtmann. It's mind boggling to me that your AD hasn't locked him up already.
So you are ready to fire one of the most successful coaches because he is having one bad season and hire someone that just blew a 24 point lead? Makes sense