Bowl rumors

[615dawg]

1. The last NY6 spot is between Washington State (10-2), LSU (9-3) and Penn State (9-3). Penn State is a long shot, but they are being discussed. If Pitt beats Clemson or Northwestern beats Ohio State, then none of these three teams will be selected.

2. If LSU makes a NY6 game, Kentucky will go to the Citrus Bowl ($8.5 million). Texas A&M hasn't been to a Florida Bowl game since 1951 - they are likely headed to the Gator Bowl ($3.6 million) if LSU makes a NY6 game.

3. If LSU does not make a NY6 game, either by virtue of Washington State being higher ranked on Tuesday or by Pitt or Northwestern winning, LSU will be offered the Citrus Bowl.

4. The only Group of Six bowl that MSU technically cannot go to is the Gator. That leaves five possibilities. Outback, Belk, Texas, Liberty and Music City. The Outback ($6.3 MM payout) is only in play if LSU makes a NY6 game, so lets look at the other four in payout order.

Texas Bowl - $6.3 million. It doesn't get talked about very much, but its the exact payout of the Outback Bowl. This is probably where MSU is headed to face a Big 12 team. Iowa State is probably slated here, so this is the only shot MSU has at a ranked vs. ranked bowl game if the Outback is out. The Texas Bowl has a new sponsor - Academy Sports - and is trying to move up the bowl tier. They will take a ranked vs. ranked matchup if they can get it. Its a long way from the old gallery furniture.com bowl that this used to be.

Music City Bowl - $5.6 million. The ACC is a crapshoot. Technically, the Music City Bowl will get the No. 6 team from the ACC. That is currently a tie between Boston College, Virginia, Virginia Tech and Miami.

Belk Bowl - $4.5 million. The third place team from the ACC is the opponent. That is Syracuse, with NC State and Georgia Tech just a game back.

Liberty - $4.2 million. This isn't the Liberty Bowl of 10 years ago. The opponent will be from the Big 12. If Oklahoma makes the playoff, Texas will likely be headed to the Sugar Bowl. If the committee allows Ohio State to jump Oklahoma, Texas will move to their traditional tie-ins. Oklahoma State, TCU or Baylor are possible opponents in the Liberty.

 

[615 Guy]

My buddy at the Liberty Bowl is saying MO, Auburn, Vandy, in that order for what they are expecting. He still thinks we are going Outback but he doesn't have any inside information on that.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

To maximize our final ranking, I think the Belk Bowl vs. Syracuse is our best bet. Could be ranked 15th or so with a win.

 

[bulldognation]

Curious to know what your predictions are for the rest of the conference. Where do aTm, USCe, Vandy, Ole Miss, Auburn wind up?

 

[615dawg]

Liberty and Missouri have been schmoozing over the past couple of weeks. They want each other so that's probably going to happen.

We really needed LSU to win last night. Several projections still have them in the NY6 over Washington State, but who knows what the committee is thinking. It also is widely thought that Ohio State is getting in the playoff over Oklahoma. That would help our prospects.

Texas A&M wants one of the Florida bowls. They aren't being picky, but they will get either the Outback or Gator Bowl. This is new as of this year - Citrus Bowl will take the highest two ranked SEC/Big Ten/ACC teams available. That is likely to be Penn State and Kentucky.

Vanderbilt and the Music City want each other if LSU makes the NY6. Vanderbilt is going to Birmingham if LSU doesn't.

Belk and South Carolina make sense, but I have heard nothing.

There are some rumors that Auburn is flirting with the Gator. That doesn't directly affect us, but if A&M gets the Outback - that would send us to Houston or Charlotte.

This is my best guess at this point:

1. Texas 50%
2. Outback 30%
3. Music City 15%
4. Belk 5%
6. Liberty < 1%

 

[615dawg]

Texas A&M is going to go to a Florida Bowl. They haven't been to one since 1951 and it is a point of emphasis. I think they end up in the Outback. Remember, Outback and Texas are both the same payout ($6.3 million).

South Carolina to the Belk makes a lot of sense. And USCe has never been to that game. South Carolina vs. Syracuse looks good here.

Vanderbilt is easy. Music City if LSU makes the NY6, Birmingham if not.

Auburn is flirting with the Gator. Texas is a possibility for them as well. Liberty is the fallback.

Ole Miss is headed to the five straight losing seasons bowl.

 

[thatsbaseball]

From a TV exposure (time slot wise) the Texas bowl seems like our best possibility.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Texas A&M is going to go to a Florida Bowl. They haven't been to one since 1951 and it is a point of emphasis. I think they end up in the Outback. Remember, Outback and Texas are both the same payout ($6.3 million).

South Carolina to the Belk makes a lot of sense. And USCe has never been to that game. South Carolina vs. Syracuse looks good here.

Vanderbilt is easy. Music City if LSU makes the NY6, Birmingham if not.

Auburn is flirting with the Gator. Texas is a possibility for them as well. Liberty is the fallback.

Ole Miss is headed to the five straight losing seasons bowl.

MCB will avoid Vandy at all costs...there is hardly nothing in it for them if they take Vandy.

 

[topbulldawg]

I don't think the Music City Bowl or Vanderbilt really want each other. I would be pretty surprised if that happened.

Also, I find it odd Missouri would be that in love with the Liberty Bowl (I could definitely see the Liberty Bowl wanting them).

 

[thatsbaseball]

This....

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[Duke Humphrey]

Your posts seem to indicate schools and bowls are making deals

1. The last NY6 spot is between Washington State (10-2), LSU (9-3) and Penn State (9-3). Penn State is a long shot, but they are being discussed. If Pitt beats Clemson or Northwestern beats Ohio State, then none of these three teams will be selected.

2. If LSU makes a NY6 game, Kentucky will go to the Citrus Bowl ($8.5 million). Texas A&M hasn't been to a Florida Bowl game since 1951 - they are likely headed to the Gator Bowl ($3.6 million) if LSU makes a NY6 game.

3. If LSU does not make a NY6 game, either by virtue of Washington State being higher ranked on Tuesday or by Pitt or Northwestern winning, LSU will be offered the Citrus Bowl.

4. The only Group of Six bowl that MSU technically cannot go to is the Gator. That leaves five possibilities. Outback, Belk, Texas, Liberty and Music City. The Outback ($6.3 MM payout) is only in play if LSU makes a NY6 game, so lets look at the other four in payout order.

Texas Bowl - $6.3 million. It doesn't get talked about very much, but its the exact payout of the Outback Bowl. This is probably where MSU is headed to face a Big 12 team. Iowa State is probably slated here, so this is the only shot MSU has at a ranked vs. ranked bowl game if the Outback is out. The Texas Bowl has a new sponsor - Academy Sports - and is trying to move up the bowl tier. They will take a ranked vs. ranked matchup if they can get it. Its a long way from the old gallery furniture.com bowl that this used to be.

Music City Bowl - $5.6 million. The ACC is a crapshoot. Technically, the Music City Bowl will get the No. 6 team from the ACC. That is currently a tie between Boston College, Virginia, Virginia Tech and Miami.

Belk Bowl - $4.5 million. The third place team from the ACC is the opponent. That is Syracuse, with NC State and Georgia Tech just a game back.

Liberty - $4.2 million. This isn't the Liberty Bowl of 10 years ago. The opponent will be from the Big 12. If Oklahoma makes the playoff, Texas will likely be headed to the Sugar Bowl. If the committee allows Ohio State to jump Oklahoma, Texas will move to their traditional tie-ins. Oklahoma State, TCU or Baylor are possible opponents in the Liberty.

I thought it was all done at conference level, with very minimal input from the schools, but moreso bowls, conference and TV partners? What is our admin doing to make a deal if these others are?

 

[patdog]

The conference has final say, but they work with both the schools & the bowls. You can bet they both have real input in the process.

 

[615dawg]

Our admin knows that the fanbase wanted Tampa or Orlando, and they are still working toward that. LSU/Kentucky is locked into Orlando it seems. (Citrus takes top two available from SEC, Big Ten and ACC teams)

If LSU makes the NY6, I believe that the Outback is the destination.
If LSU fails to make the NY6, I believe that Texas is the likely destination.

Both have a $6.3 million payout. Both are played in NFL stadiums against ranked P5 teams. If we were to get one of these games, it would be the second biggest payout in MSU bowl history, behind the $16 million from the Orange Bowl.

But I'm a guy on a message board that has a couple of friends and follows the right people on Twitter. Speaking of which, West Virginia to the Texas Bowl is a possibility if Oklahoma wins the Big XII but doesn't make the playoff.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Does bowl payout even matter anymore? I thought all the money was pooled together.

 

[615dawg]

The only thing that concerns me about the Texas Bowl is that they really don't want an MSU-Iowa State game. They upped their payout, got a good sponsor - they need a marquee matchup. What I do like is that they seem to be pushing the Big 12 to send Texas or West Virginia to play MSU instead of pushing the SEC to send Auburn to play Iowa State.

 

[615dawg]

It doesn't, but its still how you can judge the ranking of the bowl game.

When we went to the Liberty Bowl and played Rice, it was a $1.3 MM game. Now its a $4.2 MM game. Houston was a $750k game for a long time and now its a $6.3 MM game.

 

[msudawg1200]

If no Outback, then I’d like the Texas. If Texas and OU both get in the NY6 I could see Iowa State in the Csmping World in Orlando, West Va in the Alamo, and TCU, Baylor, or Okie St in the Texas. Not a desired matchup, but we would destroy any of those 3 to a pulp. If it’s the Liberty it’d be one of those three also. The MCB could be Miami, but it we go there I don’t want to play NC State. We’ve recently played them in the Belk, and have a home and home in a few years. I want new blood. No GA Tech either, even though I think this defense would kill that offense. I hope and pray we don’t go to the Belk.

 

[00Dawg]

Three Citrus Bowls in a row for LSU seems unlikely.

If they're not in the NY6, I think Orlando passes them by.

 

[Mjoelner]

Does bowl payout even matter anymore? I thought all the money was pooled together.

IIRC the participating school gets to keep 30% of the cut then the rest is pooled.

 

[ckDOG]

This comment is bizarre

Vanderbilt and the Music City want each other if LSU makes the NY6. Vanderbilt is going to Birmingham if LSU doesn't.

How would this make any economic sense? Vandy doesn't even fill up their tiny campus stadium and even if their fan base were somehow motivated to buy a reasonable amount of tickets, they aren't going to spend the entertainment and lodging dollars in Nashville that an out of town guest with similar ticket sales would.

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

Liberty and Missouri have been schmoozing over the past couple of weeks. They want each other so that's probably going to happen.

We really needed LSU to win last night. Several projections still have them in the NY6 over Washington State, but who knows what the committee is thinking. It also is widely thought that Ohio State is getting in the playoff over Oklahoma. That would help our prospects.

Texas A&M wants one of the Florida bowls. They aren't being picky, but they will get either the Outback or Gator Bowl. This is new as of this year - Citrus Bowl will take the highest two ranked SEC/Big Ten/ACC teams available. That is likely to be Penn State and Kentucky.

Vanderbilt and the Music City want each other if LSU makes the NY6. Vanderbilt is going to Birmingham if LSU doesn't.

Belk and South Carolina make sense, but I have heard nothing.

There are some rumors that Auburn is flirting with the Gator. That doesn't directly affect us, but if A&M gets the Outback - that would send us to Houston or Charlotte.

This is my best guess at this point:

1. Texas 50%
2. Outback 30%
3. Music City 15%
4. Belk 5%
6. Liberty < 1%

I imagine the hotels and restaurants are gonna be super pissed off if Vandy is the choice for Music City Bowl. I would be absolutely floored if the Music City actually wanted Vandy. Hell they don’t come to their home games. They wouldn’t come to the bowl game in town. I’m going to Nashville if State gets music city.

 

[West Tn Dawg]

How would this make any economic sense? Vandy doesn't even fill up their tiny campus stadium and even if their fan base were somehow motivated to buy a reasonable amount of tickets, they aren't going to spend the entertainment and lodging dollars in Nashville that an out of town guest with similar ticket sales would.

^^^^^^This all day long! No way Vandy goes to MCB.^^^^^

 

[gymdawg.sixpack]

Mcb vs miami sounds fun

 

[StillTbonewannabe]

ESPN is still saying we have a chance at the Citrus. The Citrus just has first choice, it doesn't have to take UK if they don't choose them I don't think.

One more week of waiting. Hopefully, Oklahoma, Ohio St., and Clemson win so no one else gets bumped out of the NY6.

 

[aTotal360]

Problem with the Texas Bowl is the timing. Not a fan of the 27th.

 

[crackerjax]

SI and one of the writers at ESPN are now projecting State to Citrus. Obviously still a chance Citrus could bypass Kentucky if they think State presents more intriguing matchup and more ticket sales.

 

[Cap'n Geech]

Somebody remind the Citrus Bowl and Outback Bowl that by January 1st, Kentucky fans will have turned the page to basketball.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

The bowls are paid for by ESPN. They don’t lose money if the stadium is empty. The game is played well before New Years Eve, (which it was New Years when we played Wake Forest) so they will still have a great downtown business for New Years Eve without a game the next day. If they bring a good ACC team that brings a crowd, they will do fine with the Hometown team.

 

[Go Budaw]

How would this make any economic sense? Vandy doesn't even fill up their tiny campus stadium and even if their fan base were somehow motivated to buy a reasonable amount of tickets, they aren't going to spend the entertainment and lodging dollars in Nashville that an out of town guest with similar ticket sales would.

The Music City bowl game execs don’t give a 17 about hotel or restaurant revenue from out of town. It’s a weekend in Nashville. Every hotel in the city is gonna be packed out at $300 / night for 3* rooms, and every restaurant is gonna be assed out whether its bowl fans from out of town, Colts or Titans fans staying for the game on Sunday, or folks who don’t give a **** about football who are just there for New Years or for a concert or something else. The MCB will probably be the 5th or 6th most popular event in town that weekend.

 

[Dawgpile]

Individual SEC teams get a percentage payout all to themselves, then the rest goes to the pool that's split amongst the members.

 

[ckDOG]

Then why does the Board have hotel and hospitality representation on it?

Answer: bowl games are significant positive economic impact in more ways than just the ESPN contract. Find me a local business owner that doesn't want the extra demand for that or any other weekend.

 

[PineGroveBully]

I don't think most understand how the payouts work. All the money goes to the conference who then diveys up the money among all member school. From what I've found not even Ole miss's bowl ban keeps them from getting paid. They simply don't get the exposure. This was the SEC's payouts in 16-17,

$55 million base payout (which includes $300,000 for each team which meets the NCAA’s APR for participation in a post-season football game)$6 million for Alabama’s berth in the Peach Bowl
$40 million for Auburn’s berth in the Sugar Bowl (pursuant to a contract between the SEC and the Sugar Bowl)
Total: $101 million
Note on the SEC’s revenue distribution model: For bowl games with receipts of $4,000,000 – $5,999,999, the participating team retains $1.475 million, plus a travel allowance determined by SEC. For bowl games with receipts of $6 million or more, the participating team receives $2 million, plus a travel allowance determined by the SEC. If an SEC team makes it to the championship game, it receives another $2.1 million, plus travel allowance.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...layoff-payouts-by-conference-for-2016-17/amp/

 

[Go Budaw]

Answer: bowl games are significant positive economic impact in more ways than just the ESPN contract. Find me a local business owner that doesn't want the extra demand for that or any other weekend.

95% of the work of those positions is cozying up to corporations (sponsors and otherwise) and arranging blocks of rooms and entertainment for them...because those are the folks buying the lion’s share of tickets and they don’t care who’s playing in the game. Yeah, they’ll get with some partner hotels and arrange 10% off room rates or something like that for the common fans that buy certain ticket packages, but that’s about the extent of it. Nashville is already the most expensive hotel city in the nation even on random weekends with no football games. It’s absurd to suggest that the city will lose any revenue with a hometown team playing in the bowl game, especially considering it’s not only NYE weekend but also an NFL home game weekend for the Titans.

 

[Go Budaw]

Somebody remind the Citrus Bowl and Outback Bowl that by January 1st, Kentucky fans will have turned the page to basketball.

UK fans will turn out. Their best season in forever. Honestly, it’s pretty hypocritical of MSU fans to talk bowl attendance smack considering that out of the past 8 bowl games we’ve been to, we’ve only turned out in droves for 3 of them (2010 Gator, 2011 MCB, 2013 Liberty). We couldn’t even show up for a damn NY6 game.

 

[ckDOG]

Are you suggesting that Nashville is maxed out and the bowl is a net drain?

95% of the work of those positions is cozying up to corporations (sponsors and otherwise) and arranging blocks of rooms and entertainment for them...because those are the folks buying the lion’s share of tickets and they don’t care who’s playing in the game. Yeah, they’ll get with some partner hotels and arrange 10% off room rates or something like that for the common fans that buy certain ticket packages, but that’s about the extent of it. Nashville is already the most expensive hotel city in the nation even on random weekends with no football games. It’s absurd to suggest that the city will lose any revenue with a hometown team playing in the bowl game, especially considering it’s not only NYE weekend but also an NFL home game weekend for the Titans.

Absurd is a strong word. The bowl game has been attributed to generating north of 20M of direct economic impact in recent years - even up next to NYE. If you're suggesting that the economy would be better off without the incremental 20k out of town visitors spending money locally, then there's some crazy economics at work in that city.

 

[Go Budaw]

Absurd is a strong word. The bowl game has been attributed to generating north of 20M of direct economic impact in recent years - even up next to NYE. If you're suggesting that the economy would be better off without the incremental 20k out of town visitors spending money locally, then there's some crazy economics at work in that city.

First off, your 20k number is probably both school’s allotment. About 2/3rds of the tickets are sold to corporations before schools get allotment to be bought by fans. That means Vandy’s allotment would only be 10k.

Second, Vandy fans live everywhere. It’s not like they all just stick around Nashville after they graduate. They’ll come back to Nashville and pay for a hotel room like anyone else. It’s the same as if MSU was selected for a hypothetical bowl game in Starkville. You don’t think the hotels would still be sold out and going for 3 night minimums at $250-$300 per night under that scenario?

Third, there ARE crazy economics at work in that city. It costs more to get a room in prime parts of Nashville these days on a weekend than it does in San Francisco or NYC. The point is that those 10k people (and that $20 million or whatever the number ends up being) are going to be there no matter what. The only question is who gets their room first and who gets stuck surfing airBnB for a deal....the Vandy fan, the Indianapolis Colts fan, some bro from Pensacola who’s there for a Dierks Bentley show, or some sorority girls from Ole Miss that are there for NYE?

The demand far outweighs the supply. Hotels and reataurants are just going to sit back and count money under any scenario.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

95% of the work of those positions is cozying up to corporations (sponsors and otherwise) and arranging blocks of rooms and entertainment for them...because those are the folks buying the lion’s share of tickets and they don’t care who’s playing in the game. Yeah, they’ll get with some partner hotels and arrange 10% off room rates or something like that for the common fans that buy certain ticket packages, but that’s about the extent of it. Nashville is already the most expensive hotel city in the nation even on random weekends with no football games. It’s absurd to suggest that the city will lose any revenue with a hometown team playing in the bowl game, especially considering it’s not only NYE weekend but also an NFL home game weekend for the Titans.

This is about as ignorant as a statement can get. A simple google search “music city bowl economic impact” would have saved you from looking stupid.

 

[ckDOG]

20k is half the 40ish out of town visitors

First off, your 20k number is probably both school’s allotment. About 2/3rds of the tickets are sold to corporations before schools get allotment to be bought by fans. That means Vandy’s allotment would only be 10k.

Second, Vandy fans live everywhere. It’s not like they all just stick around Nashville after they graduate. They’ll come back to Nashville and pay for a hotel room like anyone else. It’s the same as if MSU was selected for a hypothetical bowl game in Starkville. You don’t think the hotels would still be sold out and going for 3 night minimums at $250-$300 per night under that scenario?

Third, there ARE crazy economics at work in that city. It costs more to get a room in prime parts of Nashville these days on a weekend than it does in San Francisco or NYC. The point is that those 10k people (and that $20 million or whatever the number ends up being) are going to be there no matter what. The only question is who gets their room first and who gets stuck surfing airBnB for a deal....the Vandy fan, the Indianapolis ) Colts fan, some bro from Pensacola who’s there for a Dierks Bentley show, or some sorority girls from Ole Miss that are there for NYE?

The demand far outweighs the supply. Hotels and reataurants are just going to sit back and count money under any scenario.

http://www.newportplaintalk.com/sports/article_5c76f43f-85bd-59ca-aab0-5adbf7b8ddee.html

Fair point on the "coming back to Nashville" aspect. That said, horrible regular season attendance likely translates to horrible counts of alum coming back to Nashville to watch.

No, those 10-20k people are NOT going to be there no matter what, unless they were already planning on going to a preds match - which appears to be the other big event going on that thurs - sat timeframe. I know - high price high utilization in Nashville. That's wonderful. Still not a reason to turn away incremental revenue. Far from absurd

 

[00Dawg]

2015 Belk Bowl was also decent by their recent standards. Meanwhile, UK can’t claim any leg up on us. Their 2016 Gator Bowl attendance is pretty much on par with our last 2 visits.

 

[Go Budaw]

http://www.newportplaintalk.com/sports/article_5c76f43f-85bd-59ca-aab0-5adbf7b8ddee.html

Fair point on the "coming back to Nashville" aspect. That said, horrible regular season attendance likely translates to horrible counts of alum coming back to Nashville to watch.

No, those 10-20k people are NOT going to be there no matter what, unless they were already planning on going to a preds match - which appears to be the other big event going on that thurs - sat timeframe. I know - high price high utilization in Nashville. That's wonderful. Still not a reason to turn away incremental revenue. Far from absurd

Again, neither 40k nor 20k is number in question. Literally 40-45k of the tickets are bought by corporations. Those corporations either give the tickets to local employees to attend the game (therefore not benefitting the local hotels or restaurants), or they fly in clients and / or their own executives or other personnel and pay for their rooms. Sometimes those recipients sell their tickets to the game while still using the rooms and taking advantage of the other sights and sounds in Nashville. Sometimes not. Either way, that leaves 20k total for 2 schools general allotment. In terms of a Vandy vs. non-Vandy MCB, you are only talking about a difference of at absolute most, 10k fans. Realistically, you are only talking about maybe a 5k difference, if that.

And in terms of hotels and restaurants, those people will be there in the city and in the hotels no matter what. I promise you. I didn’t even think about the Preds either, that’s a whole other attraction. You also have to consider all the 3 night minimums and other things hotels are already doing for NYE and the Titans game. I’ll cut through the other BS and just tell you that right now you can’t get a room for one night (after the game) in downtown Nashville for less than $300 when you include taxes and fees, and can’t get one for less than $250 in / around Vandy or Music Row. And the teams haven’t even been announced yet. That ought to tell you everything you need to know.

ETA: Nothing that you are saying is totally unreasonable or unfounded in any logic. It all holds up when you are talking about Jacksonville, Tampa, Charlotte, and all the other SEC bowl tie-in cities. Nashville is just such a different beast right now. It has grown so ridiculously fast in tourism that there aren’t going to be enough rooms for people who want to go there for several years. That’s the main point.