Board progressives/liberals...What makes it okay

30CAT

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for United States citizens to pay for health care, housing, schooling and higher education to people who break our laws by coming here illegally, considering there are legal citizens who are in need and don't get that treatment?

Also, when citizens break laws they are punished. How is it okay for foreigners to break our laws and be rewarded?

Just curious of what you think.
 

atlkvb

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for United States citizens to pay for health care, housing, schooling and higher education to people who break our laws by coming here illegally, considering there are legal citizens who are in need and don't get that treatment?

Also, when citizens break laws they are punished. How is it okay for foreigners to break our laws and be rewarded?

Just curious of what you think.

You won't get an answer. Not an honest one anyway.
 

Boomboom521

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I like people, and kids, and healthy lives, and happiness. We should guarantee anyone that makes it here 600 sq ft and a unicorn
 

atlkvb

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I like people, and kids, and healthy lives, and happiness. We should guarantee anyone that makes it here 600 sq ft and a unicorn

You forgot free meals and a job for Life.

(Oh, and a Democrat voter registration card)
 

atlkvb

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I bet you would take the proposed Dem reparations if/when they are offered.

I bet you itemize your tax returns to pay as a little on your tax bill as possible while still complaining about the rich who don't pay their "fair share"?

Matter of fact why don't you tell us how much extra you sent in as your "fair share"?

You're rich compared to the illegal immigrants you want everyone else to pay for aren't you?
 
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I bet you itemize your tax returns to pay as a little on your tax bill as possible while still complaining about the rich who don't pay their fair share.

You have never once heard me complain about people or companies operating within the tax code. By the way, I do itemize and I don't complain about my fair share.
 

atlkvb

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You have never once heard me complain about people or companies operating within the tax code. By the way, I do itemize and I don't complain about my fair share.

You don't send any extra either but I bet you join those Leftists complaining about the "evil rich" who don't pay their fair share, or not enough?
 
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You don't send any extra either but I bet you join those Leftists complaining about the "evil rich" who don't pay their fair share, or not enough?

Sometimes you can be a dick. Btw, by many measures I am part of that evil rich demographic. And...My only complaint about the tax cut was e timing. You can look it up.
 

atlkvb

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Sometimes you can be a dick. Btw, by many measures I am part of that evil rich demographic. And...My only complaint about the tax cut was e timing. You can look it up.

I don't have to, all I need to know is all Democrats that you support voted against it.
 

EEResistable

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What makes it right to take the money I work for and give it to anything except for the defense of this country?

It’s immoral.
 

Boomboom521

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What makes it right to take the money I work for and give it to anything except for the defense of this country?

It’s immoral.
Or roads, or education, or law enforcement, or space exploration, or environmental regulation, or mass transit, or.....

Geez, get over yourselves.
 

dave

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Or roads, or education, or law enforcement, or space exploration, or environmental regulation, or mass transit, or.....

Geez, get over yourselves.
Roads yes. Everything else is a fat no. Nothing else is the govts business. All would be better done 3rd party.
 

Boomboom521

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Roads yes. Everything else is a fat no. Nothing else is the govts business. All would be better done 3rd party.
Come on Dave....where would space exploration and satellite technology be without NASA? How many men would have been forced into the mines in our home state without public education? Where would counterfitting or bank fraud be without the FBI and Secret Service? Would businesses have committed to cleaning up our air and water without being forced by the US Government? Do you discount how much of a positive impact for businesses mass transit has made in our cities?

It’s easy to sit back and say, “eh private business would have done it all”, but thanks to our government — we don’t have to wonder.

Don’t discount the achievement of government Dave.
 
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Roads yes. Everything else is a fat no. Nothing else is the govts business. All would be better done 3rd party.

Clean food and water are overrated. Safe drugs too. Why test building materials to see if they are carcinogens?

The stupidity of right wingers is amazing.
 

wvu2007

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Clean food and water are overrated. Safe drugs too. Why test building materials to see if they are carcinogens?

The stupidity of right wingers is amazing.

Says the white guy who claimed to be black, who is always wrong and gets owned everyday on this board.
 

dave

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Clean food and water are overrated. Safe drugs too. Why test building materials to see if they are carcinogens?

The stupidity of right wingers is amazing.
Shockingly boardtard didnt read what I said and instead tried to speak for me. You are a simpleton sugartits. You just wouldnt understand.
 

dave

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Come on Dave....where would space exploration and satellite technology be without NASA? How many men would have been forced into the mines in our home state without public education? Where would counterfitting or bank fraud be without the FBI and Secret Service? Would businesses have committed to cleaning up our air and water without being forced by the US Government? Do you discount how much of a positive impact for businesses mass transit has made in our cities?

It’s easy to sit back and say, “eh private business would have done it all”, but thanks to our government — we don’t have to wonder.

Don’t discount the achievement of government Dave.
I give you law enforcement. That was an oversight on my part. space. Third party. Enviro. Third party. Education. Third party.
 

atlkvb

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Come on Dave....where would space exploration and satellite technology be without NASA? How many men would have been forced into the mines in our home state without public education? Where would counterfitting or bank fraud be without the FBI and Secret Service? Would businesses have committed to cleaning up our air and water without being forced by the US Government? Do you discount how much of a positive impact for businesses mass transit has made in our cities?

It’s easy to sit back and say, “eh private business would have done it all”, but thanks to our government — we don’t have to wonder.

Don’t discount the achievement of government Dave.

boom I love 'ya but you're a typical Big Government Leviathan loyalist who thinks nothing happens without or until government gives its permission.

Space exploration? Ever heard of Space X? Private concerns can do this cheaper and better. As great as NASA is, it was a huge expenditure and maybe held us back from more rapid development of advanced equipment and technology because it's so cumbersome! Look at all the private companies that actually did R&D for NASA? You didn't need Government gumming up those works. Computer processing, GPS technology, wireless applications are all a result of Space activity and all were developed by the private sector.

Poor public education forced more men into mines, instead of us developing more sophisticated machinery to help them be more efficient or productive. Again, you don't need Government to run schools, and where it does they are largely run poorly and produce mediocre or poor results.

Bank fraud and counterfeiting will be right where it is today. With chip technology, retina scanners, I.D. fingerprints, holographic imprints on money, and credit monitoring services to detect fraud. Yes you need courts to prosecute criminals, but you don't need Government police to protect financial assets. Private companies who already do most of that work for large corporations are perfectly capable of doing it for everyone else.

Yes businesses would comitt to cleaning our air and water because they do it now! They also live in the environments they operate in. They're not interested in poisoning their customers or themselves with dirty air and dirty water. EPA hasn't always been around, but to the extent it complicates business activity to clean up its own messes, it is more of a hindrance than a help. We clean up our own messes better than anyone else, and even Government relies on private enterprise to clean up the messes when they do happen.

Mass Transit? In most big cities it isn't even used. Where it works best, it's run privately. You don't need Government to move people around efficiently. Americans travel millions of miles everyday and do so without mass transit. You need efficiency driven by market demand and innovation. Most Government mass transit systems are bloated, inefficient, ineffective, and don't go where the people need them or where they live. Whole suburban communities have developed because of Mass transit's inability to get people to where they live or want to go. Strip Malls and suburban shopping centers are a direct result of Mass transit's inefficiencies.

The only things you need Government to do are those things outlined in the Constitution. Everything else is reserved for and should be done by the States and individuals.
 
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30CAT

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I bet you would take the proposed Dem reparations if/when they are offered.

The problem with that is, those reparations don't just go to people who need it. Far too many abuse it and far too many become unnecessarily dependent. We aren't nor should we be the world's caregivers.

We can't afford it. Reparations are supposed to be temporary.

Also, why do liberals flip out if there is talk of forcing those who are able to work for those reparations? What's wrong with incentives to become less dependent or completely independent from government reparations?

Dems are all about power. They thrive on people dependent on government for the votes.

We are a nation of laws and borders.

Would you take care of strangers, breaking into your home, seeking or claiming to be seeking refuge? Send them to school, pay for healthcare, food, basic needs and higher education?

Our country is our house. We shouldn't be "leaving our doors unlocked" letting whoever break in and catering to them. We welcome all, but please "knock, introduce yourself" and let us get to know you. We welcome you. Don't be sneaking in and helping yourself to our things.
 
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Boomboom521

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boom I love 'ya but you're a typical Big Government Leviathan loyalist who thinks nothing happens without or until government gives its permission.

Space exploration? Ever heard of Space X? Private concerns can do this cheaper and better. As great as NASA is, it was a huge expenditure and maybe held us back from more rapid development of advanced equipment and technology because it's so cumbersome! Look at all the private companies that actually did R&D for NASA? You didn't need Government gumming up those works. Computer processing, GPS technology, wireless applications are all a result of Space activity and all were developed by the private sector.

Poor public education forced more men into mines, instead of us developing more sophisticated machinery to help them be more efficient or productive. Again, you don't need Government to run schools, and where it does they are largely run poorly and produce mediocre or poor results.

Bank fraud and counterfeiting will be right where it is today. With chip technology, retina scanners, I.D. fingerprints, holographic imprints on money, and credit monitoring services to detect fraud. Yes you need courts to prosecute criminals, but you don't need Government police to protect financial assets. Private companies who already do most of that work for large corporations are perfectly capable of doing it for everyone else.

Yes businesses would comitt to cleaning our air and water because they do it now! They also live in the environments they operate in. They're not interested in poisoning their customers or themselves with dirty air and dirty water. EPA hasn't always been around, but to the extent it complicates business activity to clean up its own messes, it is more of a hindrance than a help. We clean up our own messes better than anyone else, and even Government relies on private enterprise to clean up the messes when they do happen.

Mass Transit? In most big cities it isn't even used. Where it works best, it's run privately. You don't need Government to move people around efficiently. Americans travel millions of miles everyday and do so without mass transit. You need efficiency driven by market demand and innovation. Most Government mass transit systems are bloated, inefficient, ineffective, and don't go where the people need them or where they live. Whole suburban communities have developed because of Mass transit's inability to get people to where they live or want to go. Strip Malls and suburban shopping centers are a direct result of Mass transit's inefficiencies.

The only things you need Government to do are those things outlined in the Constitution. Everything else is reserved for and should be done by the States and individuals.
Yeah...Government wasn’t needed to help desegregate and get African Americans to good colleges was it?
 
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for United States citizens to pay for health care, housing, schooling and higher education to people who break our laws by coming here illegally, considering there are legal citizens who are in need and don't get that treatment?

Also, when citizens break laws they are punished. How is it okay for foreigners to break our laws and be rewarded?

Just curious of what you think.
because every one of them will vote (illegally in most cases) democratic.....maybe the GOP should come up with a strategy to win them over
 
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I bet you itemize your tax returns to pay as a little on your tax bill as possible while still complaining about the rich who don't pay their "fair share"?

Matter of fact why don't you tell us how much extra you sent in as your "fair share"?

You're rich compared to the illegal immigrants you want everyone else to pay for aren't you?
he can't....been after him for weeks to answer some turf maintenance questions because he says he's an expert....not a word....typical lib...."full of sound and fury....signifying nothing"
 

atlkvb

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he can't....been after him for weeks to answer some turf maintenance questions because he says he's an expert....not a word....typical lib...."full of sound and fury....signifying nothing"

Like a dull knife...just ain't cuttin'...just talkin' loud and saying nothin'!
 

rog1187

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I just wonder why libtards are anti-legal immigrant? Why is legal immigration bad and why do they hate those that follow the law?
 
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Clean food and water are overrated. Safe drugs too. Why test building materials to see if they are carcinogens?

The stupidity of right wingers is amazing.
call us stupid if you want....but who is in office now and for the next 6 years.?....it is delightful each and every day to watch you chase your tail on this board until one of us (and there are LOTS of us) puts you in your place......Devil Dog....2007...Tar Heel...30 Cat...Airport....Atlkvb...Me......the list grows every day....dance puppet dance
 

Boomboom521

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I just wonder why libtards are anti-legal immigrant? Why is legal immigration bad and why do they hate those that follow the law?
That post was in no way generalized. But really, if you look at illegal immigrants communities in FLA, CA, TX, you see mostly good people who come here to work hard jobs, they have good work ethic, and they live very limited lives. Most of them avoid the legal process, Die to the fact that specific employment opportunities must be stated in order to enter under those circumstances. Asylum and family connections would be the only other ways an immigrant could legally be admitted.

Many seek to return to family after the season or after several years. Businesses are not by and large motivated to work through legal seasonal programs, due to cost.

It’s really not as clear as many think it is......governments all over the Americas are corrupt and
 

mule_eer

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I give you law enforcement. That was an oversight on my part. space. Third party. Enviro. Third party. Education. Third party.
Do you realize how big a part space plays in our defense? I'm not talking about the space station. I'm talking about satellite systems.
 

mule_eer

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boom I love 'ya but you're a typical Big Government Leviathan loyalist who thinks nothing happens without or until government gives its permission.

Space exploration? Ever heard of Space X? Private concerns can do this cheaper and better. As great as NASA is, it was a huge expenditure and maybe held us back from more rapid development of advanced equipment and technology because it's so cumbersome! Look at all the private companies that actually did R&D for NASA? You didn't need Government gumming up those works. Computer processing, GPS technology, wireless applications are all a result of Space activity and all were developed by the private sector.

Poor public education forced more men into mines, instead of us developing more sophisticated machinery to help them be more efficient or productive. Again, you don't need Government to run schools, and where it does they are largely run poorly and produce mediocre or poor results.

Bank fraud and counterfeiting will be right where it is today. With chip technology, retina scanners, I.D. fingerprints, holographic imprints on money, and credit monitoring services to detect fraud. Yes you need courts to prosecute criminals, but you don't need Government police to protect financial assets. Private companies who already do most of that work for large corporations are perfectly capable of doing it for everyone else.

Yes businesses would comitt to cleaning our air and water because they do it now! They also live in the environments they operate in. They're not interested in poisoning their customers or themselves with dirty air and dirty water. EPA hasn't always been around, but to the extent it complicates business activity to clean up its own messes, it is more of a hindrance than a help. We clean up our own messes better than anyone else, and even Government relies on private enterprise to clean up the messes when they do happen.

Mass Transit? In most big cities it isn't even used. Where it works best, it's run privately. You don't need Government to move people around efficiently. Americans travel millions of miles everyday and do so without mass transit. You need efficiency driven by market demand and innovation. Most Government mass transit systems are bloated, inefficient, ineffective, and don't go where the people need them or where they live. Whole suburban communities have developed because of Mass transit's inability to get people to where they live or want to go. Strip Malls and suburban shopping centers are a direct result of Mass transit's inefficiencies.

The only things you need Government to do are those things outlined in the Constitution. Everything else is reserved for and should be done by the States and individuals.
Who is funding those advancements you attribute to private corporations if NASA isn't trying to push the envelope? Who funds GPS if the military (not a NASA thing) isn't funding it? Companies do things to make money. Operating GPS would be a net loss for a company. Look what happened to the satellite phone people, and those were cheaper to operate.

I found a stat for the NASA budget from 2014. It cost us $54 per person. The scientific knowledge gained is pretty substantial for a minimal investment. Most people spend more than that on coffee in a year.
 

bamaEER

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Who is funding those advancements you attribute to private corporations if NASA isn't trying to push the envelope? Who funds GPS if the military (not a NASA thing) isn't funding it? Companies do things to make money. Operating GPS would be a net loss for a company. Look what happened to the satellite phone people, and those were cheaper to operate.

I found a stat for the NASA budget from 2014. It cost us $54 per person. The scientific knowledge gained is pretty substantial for a minimal investment. Most people spend more than that on coffee in a year.
Same holds true for medicine. Big projects are govt funded, period. Yet these clowns think multi-decade projects like the human genome project are private.
 

atlkvb

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Who is funding those advancements you attribute to private corporations if NASA isn't trying to push the envelope? Who funds GPS if the military (not a NASA thing) isn't funding it? Companies do things to make money. Operating GPS would be a net loss for a company. Look what happened to the satellite phone people, and those were cheaper to operate.

I found a stat for the NASA budget from 2014. It cost us $54 per person. The scientific knowledge gained is pretty substantial for a minimal investment. Most people spend more than that on coffee in a year.

I didn't say NASA had no benefits to us. I mentioned GPS, computer processing speed, & wireless technology as all direct benefits to us as a result of our Space activity, but I also mentioned those were all developed in the Private sector. However you asked who funded all of those initiatives?

We did! American taxpayers.

Government doesn't generate one penny of self funding. ALL of it comes from hardworking honest (for the most part) American taxpayers who voluntarily send in their dollars for Government to mismanage.

Look how efficient Uber, Lyft, and other personal transportation services operate as a "mass transit" without Government controls compared to MARTA (Atlanta's rapid transit system) or the PRT in Morgantown? Government has zero to do with Uber and 100% runs the PRT, which is a cute little advertising calling card for touchdown city brochures we make for recruits...but as a practical efficient people mover it only really helps you if you have a 9:30 class at Clark Hall, and need to be out out at Evansdale in time for a 12:30 P.E. class at the Coliseum! Otherwise it's a waste of money![winking]

Same with our MARTA system here. It's cool if you need to get the Airport from downtown and don't want to deal with Atlanta traffic, but if you live out in Gwinnett county where I am, it's useless because it doesn't even come within 15 miles of my home! Atlanta traffic is some of the worst in the country, and MARTA runs annual deficits on millions of dollars of operating revenue, and gets mocked by the moniker:
(Moving African Americans rapidly through Atlanta) "MARTA" because it's ridden primarily by inner city Black folks. No one else uses it....it's a total waste of money because it doesn't go to where most folks live and need it.

Inefficient Government "mass transit" on parade.
 
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Boomboom521

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I didn't say NASA had no benefits to us. I mentioned GPS, computer processing speed, & wireless technology as all direct benefits to us as a result of our Space activity, but I also mentioned those were all developed in the Private sector. However you asked who funded all of those initiatives?

We did! American taxpayers.

Government doesn't generate one penny of self funding. ALL of it comes from hardworking honest (for the most part) American taxpayers who voluntarily send in their dollars for Government to mismanage.

Look how efficient Uber, Lyft, and other personal transportation services operate as a "mass transit" without Government controls compared to MARTA (Atlanta's rapid transit system) or the PRT in Morgantown? Government has zero to do with Uber and 100% runs the PRT, which is a cute little advertising calling card for touchdown city brochures we make for recruits...but as a practical efficient people mover it only really helps you if you have a 9:30 class at Clark Hall, and need to be out out at Evansdale in time for a 12:30 P.E. class at the Coliseum! Otherwise it's a waste of money![winking]

Same with our MARTA system here. It's cool if you need to get the Airport from downtown and don't want to deal with Atlanta traffic, but if you live out in Gwinnett county where I am, it's useless because it doesn't even come within 15 miles of my home! Atlanta traffic is some of the worst in the country, and MARTA runs annual deficits on millions of dollars of operating revenue, and gets mocked by the moniker:
(Moving African Americans rapidly through Atlanta) "MARTA" because it's ridden primarily by inner city Black folks. No one else uses it....it's a total waste of money because it doesn't go to where most folks live and need it.

Inefficient Government "mass transit" on parade.
PRT wasn’t a waste for me.

If there is such a need for mass transit to be extended, why hasn’t a private company stepped in to fill that need?

It’s government of the people, by the people and for the people
 

atlkvb

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PRT wasn’t a waste for me.

If there is such a need for mass transit to be extended, why hasn’t a private company stepped in to fill that need?

It’s government of the people, by the people and for the people

I think the PRT is cool, but it's not very efficient. It hasn't been picked up as a commercial venture because it's impractical and too damn expensive!

Uber by contrast, is thriving in Morgantown. Mass transit, on demand, efficient, low cost for users, and very lucrative for participants.

Also no Government.