Bo Melton ?

cicero grimes

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I think it will be a lot fairer to judge the wr corps next year when they have a year of the playbook under their belts and a year of working with Gio as the starter. Bolin got the majority of reps until Gio took over. Given time, I expect improvement both physically and mentally. I also think Kill understands that the wr corps is young and is shielding them to some extent with the play calling.
 

rurichdog

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Then put him split out in the slot and off the line of scrimmage so a safety/linebacker is on him and can't press him as easily. I played QB behind a very bad offensive line in HS. We threw so many quick slants, and they tended to be effective too.
I could see that working. Also, you see how open he was on the deep post, just couldn't get him the rock.

Melton might end up being a late bloomer, but he's going to have a big season at some point. Just not yet. Frustrating for all.
 
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ddsmugs

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Not a Bo hater......happy to be a Bo waiter. The question was for those who saw him live...Is practice Bo showing flashes ? I assume they practiced the deep ball for Bo and he was effective in practice to call it in the game. Kill recently said a young wr was on the verge of breaking out....is it Bo?
 
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Does he drop balls in practice? I agree he is not targeted much in games.....is there a reason why? Not allowed to field punts either. Does he have speed? Huggins2.0? Last game has a chance for a deep ball could not catch up to a ball in air 50 yds. Getting late in the season has only 1 catch ,,,, other FR WR with more. Another track kid who has never seen the field is Charles Snorweah , but had big HS stats. Is it a track thing?
Kill said their were route troubles otherwise Melton would have caught that ball in stride.
 

realhoops2

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******** on the bad QB. Gio has shown an ability to hit OPEN receivers. Yes, he has missed open receivers while scrambling, but what QB hasn't? Some of our fans are insufferable.
Against press coverage there will not be many wide "open" receivers and the QB has to make perfect throws to combat that (back shoulder and dropping it in over the shoulder, etc.).

Gio has not shown the ability to do that and actually he doesn't even attempt to. If the receiver isn't wide open he either tucks and run or throws it away. If RU is going to get to where we hope they get the QB will have too consistently make tough throws.
 
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Against press coverage there will not be many wide "open" receivers and the QB has to make perfect throws to combat that (back shoulder and dropping it in over the shoulder, etc.).

Gio has not shown the ability to do that and actually he doesn't even attempt to. If the receiver isn't wide open he either tucks and run or throws it away. If RU is going to get to where we hope they get the QB will have too consistently make tough throws.
He made some pretty impressive throws in that Michigan game. One to Hayek and one to Washington. Gio has been told to be conservative. And it's working. We're winning.
 

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******** on you. He doesn't get sacked. Doesn't turn the ball over. Throws TDs. Completes over 50%. But none of that matters because he has a winning record.

He is average at worst.

I do not understand. I said he wasnt
I respectfully disagree, depending on how you define "good". He's not a great QB in that he's not likely to win too many games with his arm. At least not yet. But I'm starting to think that he's not an awful QB either.

I don't recall Gio missing a ton of wide open deep passes. Actually, I can't recall many times he's been asked to throw deep balls. Bolin missed a bunch of deep, open WRs earlier in the season, and missed them worse than Gio has missed on his pretty rare deep-ball attempts. Is it possible you're conflating the two QBs?

There appear to be some footwork and vision problems he needs to work on. He has failed to recognize or be in a position to throw to a couple receivers breaking open downfield. Maybe that's what you were talking about? In some cases, it was because Gio was caught rolling left, so throwing further to his left required him to stop, pivot and throw. He actually fell down trying to do that in one recent game - I think the open receiver was Blackshear, but not sure.

But in general, I think Gio is actually throwing the ball better and better. His apparent arm strength in the last game was actually kind of impressive to me. I suspect that, if provided with WRs that quickly and constantly got separation, Gio'd look better as a passer.

He's making plays with his feet (when healthy), not taking a lot of sacks even against some stout defenses, putting throws where nobody but a receiver can catch them (mostly) and hasn't been turning the ball over. His screen pass to Edwards was actually a pretty difficult play to make and he not only made it but hit Edwards in stride, certainly a big part of why that pass wound up being a TD pass.

For me, the jury is still out about Gio. I'd rate him a pretty good game manager QB at the moment, with potential to be a better than average college QB if we can get receivers that regularly get open, and that fight successfully for the ball.

Gio is serviceable but he misses reads and deep balls frequently.
 

e5fdny

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How many times did we throw Sanu the ball within 2 seconds if the snap?
That’s true. But 1) did that happen right away in his time here and 2) who was the guy throwing the ball?
Kill said their were route troubles otherwise Melton would have caught that ball in stride.
Both Ash and Kill said this.
He made some pretty impressive throws in that Michigan game. One to Hayek and one to Washington. Gio has been told to be conservative. And it's working. We're winning.
Which is the bottom line. So far so good.
Gio is serviceable but he misses reads and deep balls frequently.
With regard to the one we seem to be talking about in this thread it seems according to what @RUChow and the Staff said, this one wasn’t so much on him this time .
 

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Joe was 2-14 that first year with targets of Dwight Clark and Freddie Solomon. And it was also Bill Walsh’s first year too. So we can all appreciate the slow start if it ends up like it did for that group.

As for the latter comment, spot on. LOL

Joe Montana only started one game that rookie year (and lost it). Steve deBerg started all the rest of those games. Montana only started seven his second year (2-5). His first full year as a starter, he went 16-3 and won the Super Bowl, FWIW.
 

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A quick slant to a split out receiver is one of the easiest, safest, and effective passing plays there is. It amazes me, we cant' split out Bo, and have him run a 5 yard quick slant. No other reads, no secondary routes, just a quick slant against man to man coverage. I am shocked we haven't seen that even once.

Easy enough, but probably the one pass play that results in the most Pick 6 plays if the defender jumps the route. As we aren't throwing downfield as much, the defenders can gamble a bit more and try to shut off this route. If the QB makes the wrong pre-snap read, the play is doomed and you're lucky if it only results in an incomplete pass. I'd think most pass defenses we're seeing are press or rather close to the line of scrimmage, making this play rather hard to pull off. Even if the pass defenders were playing a bit soft, the other defenders first read tends to be focused on the run, making the 5 yd slant route congested from the start.
 

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Against press coverage there will not be many wide "open" receivers and the QB has to make perfect throws to combat that (back shoulder and dropping it in over the shoulder, etc.).

Gio has not shown the ability to do that and actually he doesn't even attempt to. If the receiver isn't wide open he either tucks and run or throws it away. If RU is going to get to where we hope they get the QB will have too consistently make tough throws.
Maybe he doesn't attempt those throws because he's been told that limiting mistake/turnovers is key to us winning games. Just following orders?
 

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******** on the bad QB. Gio has shown an ability to hit OPEN receivers. Yes, he has missed open receivers while scrambling, but what QB hasn't? Some of our fans are insufferable.
+1. On top of that, Gio was hit a split second after he released that overthrow. He got the ball out there and high with the hopes that Melton could catch up to it. That wasn't a bad play because he had to throw it when he did which was before Melton broke open past the DB. If had had a second more, he may have been able to step into it and complete it.

Gio has been pretty good throwing the ball down the field. He had a couple of really good throws dropped by Washington in consecutive games.
 
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BlockR

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+1. On top of that, Gio was hit a split second after he released that overthrow. He got the ball out there and high with the hopes that Melton could catch up to it. That wasn't a bad play because he had to throw it when he did which was before Melton broke open past the DB. If had had a second more, he may have been able to step into it and complete it.

Gio has been pretty good throwing the ball down the field. He had a couple of really good throws dropped by Washington in consecutive games.
that explains the 105 yards passing average a game since he started at QB?
 

e5fdny

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Joe Montana only started one game that rookie year (and lost it). Steve deBerg started all the rest of those games. Montana only started seven his second year (2-5). His first full year as a starter, he went 16-3 and won the Super Bowl, FWIW.
Hmmm.

Maybe if we get a guy (that might already be here - and playing ;)) who gets the tutelage of having consistent and good coaching plus better players around him (who again, might already be here) as we go along...maybe he might end up being better too?

Could happen.

And if you think I’m saying #17 = #16 when all is said and done, I’m not. But I do think there is possibility of pretty good improvement as things progress around here.
 
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goru7

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Gio has been adequate and would be better if his footwork was better. Throwing off his back foot should end and be corrected once and for all. If corrected Gio is very capable of throwing deep balls , slants, sideline outs , posts , etc.. Kill has not wanted him to throw much. Therefore, hard to get in a rhythm but his arm strength is fine. Kill has to call more slants and bubble screens to get Melton the ball. Have a feeling that now that the running game is churning Kill will be more creative and Gio and the receivers are going to step up to what everyone expected. We are not a great line for pass protection but that would suggest quick slants would work better. Hoping to see it going forward. Trust your QB , he is a gamer
 

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If Joe Montana was our QB, I doubt Melton would have much production or be targeted.
I’m sure he’ll improve moving forward.

The fact a lot of our fanbase predicted Melton to be Cliff Branch as a freshman is typical of us

At his age I would just stick with Gio.
 

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Gio has been adequate and would be better if his footwork was better. Throwing off his back foot should end and be corrected once and for all. If corrected Gio is very capable of throwing deep balls , slants, sideline outs , posts , etc.. Kill has not wanted him to throw much. Therefore, hard to get in a rhythm but his arm strength is fine. Kill has to call more slants and bubble screens to get Melton the ball. Have a feeling that now that the running game is churning Kill will be more creative and Gio and the receivers are going to step up to what everyone expected. We are not a great line for pass protection but that would suggest quick slants would work better. Hoping to see it going forward. Trust your QB , he is a gamer
Gio is a gamer and his arm strength is fine. The problem is his accuracy and touch, 2 of the most important skill sets at this level
 

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******** on you. He doesn't get sacked. Doesn't turn the ball over. Throws TDs. Completes over 50%. But none of that matters because he has a winning record.

He is average at worst.
If you think Gio is a good passer I have a bridge to sell you. Lol
 

RU206

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Gio is a good game manager, can run and elude the pass rush. He is not a pure passer.

Bo is a freshman. Give him time and he will be successful at RU.

Very few freshman are impact players. Most should be playing special teams or Redshirted but RU doesn’t have enough depth to redshirt them.
 

dicemen99

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Gio is a good game manager, can run and elude the pass rush. He is not a pure passer.

Bo is a freshman. Give him time and he will be successful at RU.

Very few freshman are impact players. Most should be playing special teams or Redshirted but RU doesn’t have enough depth to redshirt them.
I posted a the start of the season in a thread on him that many expectations were completely unrealistic although Bo Melton is a player. He's an 18 or 19 year old true freshman playing WR, today against at least 1 CB who is a 4 year starter and will be on AA lists and drafted and a very fine veteran secondary.

He's not Calvin Johnson or some 5 star stud who would be drafted after his freshman year if allowed. He's a talented kid, who will be a good B1G player once he develops. Problem is that RU doesn't have many of these right now, so a talented freshman comes in and the expectations are way too sky high.