Bleak future for UConn

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

I think the SEC is getting ahead of themselves.

What is keeping them afloat in Texas was there before they added A&M and that are the number of alumni from SEC West schools and the number of the tshirt fans already in Texas.
Especially with LSU.

There belief is that they can do the same in Virginia and N Carolina.

Like I said....
It is about the # of households the channel is on.
SEC network with the LHN in Texas is with the package that includes the ESPN channels.
Some cable companies it pretty much comes with the purchase of cable.

Doesn't matter if Washington DC is all Maryland or UVA fans
Doesn't matter if NC State is a joke in N Carolina.

NC State is probably the one who will listen to the SEC with the widest ears.

Those two schools are their main targets if the ACC falls apart.
There reasoning doesn't need to be debated..
Right or wrong that is what the people in Birmingham want.
Especially the people in Tennessee. Tennessee is the one promoting both NC State and UVA.

Because they can hold NC State down and overrun the state.
Pretty much what they are doing with Texas A&M.

Promise them a chance to get out of the shadow of their instate rival to only overshadow them with the SEC.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Not trying to pick a silly fight as I generally don’t care, but again there are 14 other FBS schools geographically closer to DC than Blacksburg, including UVA. There are 4 D1 basketball schools just in DC, not including the dozens of other surrounding D1 Basketball programs closer to DC than VT. Literally about 30-40 D1 programs closer to DC than VT.

I just don’t get How people think VT brings the DC market? I would be more open to the idea that they deliver the Richmond and Tidewater market areas, though UVA fans would argue that.

For argument”s sake, WVU’s largest transplant population of alumni and former WV residents is in Charlotte. That doesnt mean WVU brings the Charlotte market. Pretty sure they have cable tv there, too.

I have the SEC and B10 network on my cable package. Don’t need Alabama in West Virginia to get the SEC network. For that matter, WVU does more to bring the Pittsburgh market than VT does to bring the DC market. And Morgantown is actually listed as Part of the Pittsburgh TV market.

https://www.thevab.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/2017-2018-TV-DMA-Map.pdf

DC residents are not going to pay premium cable prices for the SEC Network because of VT just so it can be carried in basic packages. They might do it because of the SEC, itself, but not in anyway because of VT.

TVZ is wrong and he knows it. But will never admit it.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

TVZ is wrong and he knows it. But will never admit it.

It is not about if I am wrong or right.
It is about how the world is.

It is about Virginia Tech.

The question was if VA Tech didn't push their way into the ACC What would have happened.

Like I said they would have been #14.
I say this without any doubt.


Now these other questions come into play.

Yes Virginia Tech is still the SEC's #1 target if the ACC breaks up
Yes the SEC would much rather have VA Tech and N.C State than Texas and Oklahoma.

Mainly because the SEC East would have Alabama and Auburn
All the SEC East schools don't want that to happen.
Plus they don't want to deal with Texas.
If the Big 12 breaks up ...
The SEC and Texas might have to bite the bullet together.
SEC doesn't want them in the B1G
Texas would much rather not have to deal with a bunch of use car salesmen from Hoover Alabama

 

[Rootmaster]

TVZ is wrong and he knows it

TVZ is a blowhard and he/she/it knows it.

 

[doneagain]

It is not about if I am wrong or right.
It is about how the world is.

It is about Virginia Tech.

The question was if VA Tech didn't push their way into the ACC What would have happened.

Like I said they would have been #14.
I say this without any doubt.


Now these other questions come into play.

Yes Virginia Tech is still the SEC's #1 target if the ACC breaks up
Yes the SEC would much rather have VA Tech and N.C State than Texas and Oklahoma.

Mainly because the SEC East would have Alabama and Auburn
All the SEC East schools don't want that to happen.
Plus they don't want to deal with Texas.
If the Big 12 breaks up ...
The SEC and Texas might have to bite the bullet together.
SEC doesn't want them in the B1G
Texas would much rather not have to deal with a bunch of use car salesmen from Hoover Alabama

VT didn’t push their way into anything. They begged for table scraps from the VA governor to force UVA - which had the deciding vote - to support VT or UVA would be instructed to vote no on expansion, which would have blown the whole deal up.

I won’t argue that VT and NC State would be targets for the SEC. I said that years ago when conference turnover was still legitimately ongoing. The fan bases of those two schools fit in with the SEC, and it is two more contiguous state markets that they don’t have.

But the SEC would never, no way, no how, turn down Oklahoma or choose VT or NC State over the sooners. The Sooners are a bigger draw on TV than either of the other two. Oklahoma is a national program and VT and NC State are regional brands. There are only about 10 or so true national brands in the country and nobody will turn down any of them. Texas is one as well.

It would not be about cable with Oklahoma, it would be about networks with Oklahoma. And networks are where the billlions come from.

I doubt Oklahoma would be interested in the SEC, considering they can stay where they are and be in the playoff hunt most years. The P12 would also be an option for them as they would instantly be the top dog there too and would boost the P12’s profile.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

I think the SEC sees it as this..

The ACC breaks a part they add Virginia and North Carolina.
Guessing here but I believe both states if you include DC have 20-25 million people.


If the Big 12 breaks a part they add Oklahoma and strengthen their claim on Texas but Oklahoma has only 4 million people and for the most part they can recruit Texas.
That is if both schools don't end up elsewhere.

This is why the SEC agrees that the Big 12 should stay together.
Reason for the Sugar Bowl
Reason for the Big 12/SEC basketball challenge.

Sometimes your enemies are your friends and your friends are your enemies.

Texas sees eye to eye with some schools in the ACC.
But the Big 12 would be happy if their network is a failure.

Truth is the SEC is the Big 12's biggest threat but Texas is more than willing to help the SEC break loose Clemson and Florida State.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

The breakup of the ACC might start the idea of a super conference.

The B1G is somewhat heading towards that way but the SEC is stuck with a regional mindset.

If the ACC breaks a part you could see ND get their Airplane Conference they wanted in the 1960's.
But will include 5 of the 6 Top public universities.
Stanford, USC, Duke and ND.
Georgia Tech
Oklahoma
Kansas
Clemson
Florida State
Oregon

 

[doneagain]

I think the SEC sees it as this..

The ACC breaks a part they add Virginia and North Carolina.
Guessing here but I believe both states if you include DC have 20-25 million people.


If the Big 12 breaks a part they add Oklahoma and strengthen their claim on Texas but Oklahoma has only 4 million people and for the most part they can recruit Texas.
That is if both schools don't end up elsewhere.

This is why the SEC agrees that the Big 12 should stay together.
Reason for the Sugar Bowl
Reason for the Big 12/SEC basketball challenge.

Sometimes your enemies are your friends and your friends are your enemies.

Texas sees eye to eye with some schools in the ACC.
But the Big 12 would be happy if their network is a failure.

Truth is the SEC is the Big 12's biggest threat but Texas is more than willing to help the SEC break loose Clemson and Florida State.

The SEC is not going to take Clemson or FSU because Florida and South Carolina have openly and publicly opposed this concept in years past. The same for UGA with GT and Florida with MIami and Kentucky with Louisville.

The ACC looks more stable today than it has since it first expanded with Miami, VT and BC. They have the football and basketball title in house this year. They have a partnership with Notre Dame. They are launching their network soon. Can’t imagine anyone thinking about leaving right now, much less the conference breaking up. And no one would love to see them eat crow more than me, but it ain’t happening.

As for the Longhorns, there is no incentive for Texas To go anywhere else because they can dictate their path in the B12. They won’t bully the SEC or B10 the way they have the B12, and the ACC might feel good at first as they get the tip in, but Texas fans don’t want to go full deep with all their away games on the east coast anymore than they enjoy traveling to WV once every two years like they do now.

Right now, there is probably more likelihood of Arizona/AZ State joining the B12 than the B12 splitting up. Though all conferences go through cycles, so in 5 years who can say who will be on top.

 

[doneagain]

The breakup of the ACC might start the idea of a super conference.

The B1G is somewhat heading towards that way but the SEC is stuck with a regional mindset.

If the ACC breaks a part you could see ND get their Airplane Conference they wanted in the 1960's.
But will include 5 of the 6 Top public universities.
Stanford, USC, Duke and ND.
Georgia Tech
Oklahoma
Kansas
Clemson
Florida State
Oregon

Pipedream. Way too much political involvement at the state school level for that lineup to ever occur. No way Ok State supporters in Oklahoma legislature sign off on Oklahoma leaving the Cowboys in the dirt, same for Kansas, Oregon, etc...

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Pipedream. Way too much political involvement at the state school level for that lineup to ever occur. No way Ok State supporters in Oklahoma legislature sign off on Oklahoma leaving the Cowboys in the dirt, same for Kansas, Oregon, etc...

T Boone isn't going to waste money on a losing cause that doesn't benefit him financially.

The reason why this will work is because 13 of those 16 schools are AAU.
ND isn't of course. Oklahoma and Clemson can get to that level with a little support.

Meaning that research dollars will go to these universities.
Helps out the local economies. Means political power.

 

[doneagain]

T Boone isn't going to waste money on a losing cause that doesn't benefit him financially.

The reason why this will work is because 13 of those 16 schools are AAU.
ND isn't of course. Oklahoma and Clemson can get to that level with a little support.

Meaning that research dollars will go to these universities.
Helps out the local economies. Means political power.

It will never happen.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

It will never happen.

I wouldn't count against it.

I think ultimately there will be major changes to college athletics.
Especially if reimbursement is involved.
Even if it is medically. I think the first step is setting money aside for these players who suffer medical issues because of college athletics.

 

[Butler-eer]

SEC may want to target VT and NCSt, but they surely wouldn't do this to break up the ACC. If the ACC breaks up the B12 tries to scoop up FSU, GT, Clemson and maybe one out of the northeast..... Cuse?

Those 4 would bring the B12 closer to being the top conference with the SEC.

 

[WVUALLEN]

TVZ is living in a dream world of candy canes and pancakes with syrup flowing falls.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

I don't think their main objective is to break up the ACC.
But it is to move into N Carolina and Virginia.

ACC is walking a tightrope. Especially since more and more people are cutting the cords.

We will all see in 5-10 years.
Truthfully I would like uniformity.
8 Power Conferences with 8 schools.

Pacific Coast
Interior West
Southwest
Southeast
Upper Midwest
Great Lakes
Appalachia
Atlantic Coast

There are 65 Power Conference schools.
So I think Wake Forest or Baylor should get the axe

That is a world of candy canes.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Doesn't matter what you want or like. The old money powers will not allow the ACC, Big 10 or SEC fall apart. ACC king of basketball. SEC king of football. Big 10 has 2 powers and is king of the north, north east and north central states.

Big 12 is squeezing tight to central southern states. PAC 12 is squeezing tight to west coast.

Old money is not going to let these die.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Doesn't matter what you want or like. The old money powers will not allow the ACC, Big 10 or SEC fall apart. ACC king of basketball. SEC king of football. Big 10 has 2 powers and is king of the north, north east and north central states.

Big 12 is squeezing tight to central southern states. PAC 12 is squeezing tight to west coast.

Old money is not going to let these die.

Basketball doesn't matter.
Only to the NCAA.
Conferences make pennies from the sport.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Shut up Pride.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

You are wrong more than you right.

People don't watch regular season basketball.
UNC should have caused issues to the NCAA over basketball. I guess schools can sue the NCAA like they did with football.

Conferences only make money from regular season games.
The money is in the NCAA Tournament and that doesn't go to the conferences nor the schools.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

ACC's biggest mistake was Penn State.
You can hate Penn State but the truth is they are the only NE school that bring eyeballs
They continued to make mistake after mistake in realignment.

They have 15 schools that as of right now bring in less money on average than even the PAC 12.

They are hoping their network works out.
Even if it does they still have to split that 15 ways.
They don't even own NDs TV rights in football and they get a full share.

For Florida St to equal Florida.

They would have to bring in well over 350 million in profit for their network.
That is after another cut with ESPN

The ACC network is not a 3/4 of a billion dollar a year channel in profits
Might not even be 1/3 of a billion dollar channel in profits.

 

[Back Porch]

Come on Townes. Show them what you got girlfriend.