Bleak future for UConn

[doneagain]

I can’t help but feel we will see a complete split within 10 years between the haves and have nots.

http://dailycampus.com/stories/2019/3/25/editorial-enough-is-enough-get-uconn-out-of-the-aac

I remember back in the old Big East football days, UConn being touted as a sleeping giant because they had a lot of money to invest in athletics. Guess that was a little misguided. Hate to see any programs struggle. If a program like UConn with all its success in basketball can’t find a good home, I don’t see how any of the lesser successful programs will ever see a positive future at the FBS level.

If someone in the G5 world had the balls to unify the G5 conferences and take a stand and work out a TV contract for the collective, like the NFL does, they all would benefit.

 

[Buster68_rivals]

After reading this article, Ollie's move to get us in to the B12 should be appreciated by every Mountaineer fan. Some would say that if we would have waited the ACC would have been home. Well, hindsight is 20/20 and I for one am grateful that we ended up where we did. If not for this bold move, we could be looking at a similar situation.

 

[Panhandleer]

We would have waited for the ACC until Hell Freezes over. The Big 12 was our only P5 option.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I can’t help but feel we will see a complete split within 10 years between the haves and have nots.

http://dailycampus.com/stories/2019/3/25/editorial-enough-is-enough-get-uconn-out-of-the-aac

I remember back in the old Big East football days, UConn being touted as a sleeping giant because they had a lot of money to invest in athletics. Guess that was a little misguided. Hate to see any programs struggle. If a program like UConn with all its success in basketball can’t find a good home, I don’t see how any of the lesser successful programs will ever see a positive future at the FBS level.

If someone in the G5 world had the balls to unify the G5 conferences and take a stand and work out a TV contract for the collective, like the NFL does, they all would benefit.

I don't recall them being referred to as a sleeping giant and if they ever had lots of money to invest in athletics (which I doubt because they were on a Big East pay check and had low football attendance), they never used it to build their own stadium...Rentschler is 45 minutes away from campus.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

After reading this article, Ollie's move to get us in to the B12 should be appreciated by every Mountaineer fan. Some would say that if we would have waited the ACC would have been home. Well, hindsight is 20/20 and I for one am grateful that we ended up where we did. If not for this bold move, we could be looking at a similar situation.

Luck had to do what he did. He secured WVUs future at the big boy table. The only thing I’d add is somehow someway WVU would have always been ok. WVU is not and never was UCONN. There would always be a spot for a program as good as WVU. What this should tell everyone is hoops doesn’t mean ****.

 

[WVUALLEN]

UCONN should move to the Big East Basketball Conference and drop football to FCS level. They could join the Northeast Conference for football

Members are - Duquesne, Sacred heart, Central Connecticut, Wagner, St. Francis, Bryant and Robert Morris.

Most of the new Big East teams have a football team but are at different levels and conferences for football.

 

[Tylerite]

UCONN should move to the Big East Basketball Conference and drop football to FCS level. They could join the Northeast Conference for football

Members are - Duquesne, Sacred heart, Central Connecticut, Wagner, St. Francis, Bryant and Robert Morris.

Most of the new Big East teams have a football team but are at different levels and conferences for football.

Only 3 of the ten.
Villanova
Georgetown
Butler

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

After reading this article, Ollie's move to get us in to the B12 should be appreciated by every Mountaineer fan. Some would say that if we would have waited the ACC would have been home. Well, hindsight is 20/20 and I for one am grateful that we ended up where we did. If not for this bold move, we could be looking at a similar situation.

Amen! Thank goodness Oliver Luck came along when he did. ACC would not have let WVU in. Didn't let us in when 7 left the Southern Conference. WVU still persona non gratis to the ACC. Big 12 was our only hope to avoid UConn's fate.

 

[5-Technique]

Connecticut, as others have mentioned, should seek a move to the Big East and drop football down to a competitive level or disband it altogether. A friend used to tell me back in the day when they first went D1 that New England was a treasure trove of football talent that could adequately stock their roster year in and year out. Put simply, they just chose to go big time way too late in the game and ran out of time when it comes to building a solid contender with a legitimate brand. As others have also stated, thank Oliver Luck for getting us out the Big East and into a legitimate athletic conference.

 

[LAMountaineer]

I don't recall them being referred to as a sleeping giant and if they ever had lots of money to invest in athletics (which I doubt because they were on a Big East pay check and had low football attendance), they never used it to build their own stadium...Rentschler is 45 minutes away from campus.

Kinda sounds like that school up north. If it weren't for the Steelers, they would not have any stadium or practice facility.

 

[RichardCranium1]

If WVU was in the AAC I think we would at least win the conference.
UCONN can't even win in that conference

 

[1duluth1]

I remember when The Big East's solution to the conference arms race was to elevate Villanova to FBS and put them in a 12,000 seat soccer stadium to solve the Big East's problem with too few football teams. Yikes.

Yes, I feel badly for UConn. Also, I could see - not only a split of the P5 from the East Carolina/UConn/Colorado States of the world... but I could imagine the top of the top (Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas, etc.) forming their own 16-team conference and taking all the TV money. It would be like NFL of college. If not that, definitely the P5 breaking away from the rest of the NCAA.
-Winter Tim

 

[dangerousdaneerfan]

Amen! Thank goodness Oliver Luck came along when he did. ACC would not have let WVU in. Didn't let us in when 7 left the Southern Conference. WVU still persona non gratis to the ACC. Big 12 was our only hope to avoid UConn's fate.

Amen also because Fast Eddie did nothing but wave bye bye from the boat dock as VPLies, Cryami, and BC sailed off on the SS Asheshe. Some say Fast Eddie did have an exit plan for the SEC for us rather that South Carolina. sPitt and Suckacuse were the final straws in the old Big East that sent into total collapse.

 

[dangerousdaneerfan]

I remember when The Big East's solution to the conference arms race was to elevate Villanova to FBS and put them in a 12,000 seat soccer stadium to solve the Big East's problem with too few football teams. Yikes.

Yes, I feel badly for UConn. Also, I could see - not only a split of the P5 from the East Carolina/UConn/Colorado States of the world... but I could imagine the top of the top (Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas, etc.) forming their own 16-team conference and taking all the TV money. It would be like NFL of college. If not that, definitely the P5 breaking away from the rest of the NCAA.
-Winter Tim

IF, and I mean IF they start paying players, you will see a super conference in football. What is going to kill college basketball will be the end of the one and done. What we now know college basketball will revert to college baseball and college hockey.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Only 3 of the ten.
Villanova
Georgetown
Butler

And this means Connecticut couldn't join Big East Basketball and drop down to FCS in football then join the North East Conference. All just because only 3 out of 10 have a football team.

 

[SeronimusPratt]

Plus they got Randy Edsall. Lose, lose.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I remember when The Big East's solution to the conference arms race was to elevate Villanova to FBS and put them in a 12,000 seat soccer stadium to solve the Big East's problem with too few football teams. Yikes.

Yes, I feel badly for UConn. Also, I could see - not only a split of the P5 from the East Carolina/UConn/Colorado States of the world... but I could imagine the top of the top (Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas, etc.) forming their own 16-team conference and taking all the TV money. It would be like NFL of college. If not that, definitely the P5 breaking away from the rest of the NCAA.
-Winter Tim

I dont feel bad for them.

They have recent national championships in basketball, so its not like their fanbase has been deprived.

They were given a fastlane into power conference football, by default. It didnt work.

I could be wrong, but I'm going to assume UConn aligned themselves with the interest of the Catholic basketball schools and weren't much of a partner in its football mission.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Kinda sounds like that school up north. If it weren't for the Steelers, they would not have any stadium or practice facility.

I'm looking forward to the near when the Steelers begin using Cranberry and Washington as leverage during negotiations to extort funding for stadium improvements, or better yet a new stadium - and Pitt is forced into explaining their situation to recruits.

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

I don't recall them being referred to as a sleeping giant and if they ever had lots of money to invest in athletics (which I doubt because they were on a Big East pay check and had low football attendance), they never used it to build their own stadium...Rentschler is 45 minutes away from campus.

Also the UConn "fanbase" cares more bout Sox vs Yanks than any college football game. They care nothing for football. I bet if truth be told they wish they could have dropped football and stayed in the Big East Basketball conference to get to play in the Gaaaah-dan.

 

[xWVU2010x]

The decision to not build their own stadium right now looks like a good one unless you believe their own stadium would have gotten them into the ACC. Opting out of football and joining the Big East for all sports would be a cheap decision now and probably the most reasonable. Without a renewed commitment to football in the form of serious cash, which will be tough to come by given the current financial state of the program and the fanbase's jaded view of football, there is no rescuing that program from being the cellar dwelling money pit that it is. They should put out a feeler to the ACC and ask for an honest assessment for if there is anything they can do to earn membership and if the only way in is "if school X leaves your next" then they should just drop the football program.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Boston College and Syracuse would not want UCONN in the ACC. Both would fight it with everything they have.

 

[xWVU2010x]

Boston College and Syracuse would not want UCONN in the ACC. Both would fight it with everything they have.

I’m sure BC didn’t want Syracuse, clearly they lost that fight.

 

[WVUALLEN]

I’m sure BC didn’t want Syracuse, clearly they lost that fight.

Syracuse didn't want the ACC. SU turned them down the first go around. They had no choice but to come crawling to the ACC after Big East folded. I doubt if BC wanted Pitt either.

 

[xWVU2010x]

Syracuse didn't want the ACC. SU turned them down the first go around. They had no choice but to come crawling to the ACC after Big East folded. I doubt if BC wanted Pitt either.

I call BS on that. I know if it was up to Boeheim Cuse would have followed the Catholic schools to the Big East 3.0 but he doesn’t run that school. Cuse was turned down largely because the VA governor stepped in and got UVA to throw its weight behind VT. If Cuse was offered back then they would have taken it.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

The decision to not build their own stadium right now looks like a good one unless you believe their own stadium would have gotten them into the ACC. Opting out of football and joining the Big East for all sports would be a cheap decision now and probably the most reasonable. Without a renewed commitment to football in the form of serious cash, which will be tough to come by given the current financial state of the program and the fanbase's jaded view of football, there is no rescuing that program from being the cellar dwelling money pit that it is. They should put out a feeler to the ACC and ask for an honest assessment for if there is anything they can do to earn membership and if the only way in is "if school X leaves your next" then they should just drop the football program.

They could have invested in football decades ago. Like most low level schools are finding out, its too late to start now.

Re: your ending paragraph...the ACC isnt telling them anything they dont already know, they certainly will not tell them "if x school leaves your next."

 

[dangerousdaneerfan]

They could have invested in football decades ago. Like most low level schools are finding out, its too late to start now.

Re: your ending paragraph...the ACC isnt telling them anything they dont already know, they certainly will not tell them "if x school leaves your next."

I think Marshall found out the hard way that moving up to 1A was a bad idea. Whomever conned them into expanding their stadium to 41K must have been nuts considering that they only get $200K/year from C-USA. While jumping from the MAC at the time seemed like a good idea, C-USA is looking more like the Sun Belt.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I think Marshall found out the hard way that moving up to 1A was a bad idea. Whomever conned them into expanding their stadium to 41K must have been nuts considering that they only get $200K/year from C-USA. While jumping from the MAC at the time seemed like a good idea, C-USA is looking more like the Sun Belt.

I forgot CUSA was still around...i dont mean that as a slap at Marshall.

It was a nice league.

 

[WVUALLEN]

I call BS on that. I know if it was up to Boeheim Cuse would have followed the Catholic schools to the Big East 3.0 but he doesn’t run that school. Cuse was turned down largely because the VA governor stepped in and got UVA to throw its weight behind VT. If Cuse was offered back then they would have taken it.

Basketball doesn't run the show.

Nearly every Syracuse Orange fan remembers the shenanigans of 2003 when the Orange, bags packed for the ACC, were replaced at the last minute by Virginia Tech, courtesy of then-Va. governor Mark Warner's insistence. The move would result in a decade-long run of success for the Hokies in their new home, while SU spent nearly 10 years struggling in the Big East.

 

[xWVU2010x]

Basketball doesn't run the show.

Nearly every Syracuse Orange fan remembers the shenanigans of 2003 when the Orange, bags packed for the ACC, were replaced at the last minute by Virginia Tech, courtesy of then-Va. governor Mark Warner's insistence. The move would result in a decade-long run of success for the Hokies in their new home, while SU spent nearly 10 years struggling in the Big East.

Exactly, Cuse did not turn down the ACC, they got politic’d. Boeheim was and still is a huge voice within the Syracuse AD and he was extremely happy with how it all worked out, he was the Big East’s biggest cheerleader, however he was likely alone in that regard in the city of Syracuse.

As for VT I am sure they would have fared just as well in the Big East. Miami and BC went with them and the extra money and exposure didn’t keep those programs from falling off the map. Money and exposure help, but a good coach can overcome a lot more and Miami and BC have been whiffing hard since 2003.

 

[doneagain]

Exactly, Cuse did not turn down the ACC, they got politic’d. Boeheim was and still is a huge voice within the Syracuse AD and he was extremely happy with how it all worked out, he was the Big East’s biggest cheerleader, however he was likely alone in that regard in the city of Syracuse.

As for VT I am sure they would have fared just as well in the Big East. Miami and BC went with them and the extra money and exposure didn’t keep those programs from falling off the map. Money and exposure help, but a good coach can overcome a lot more and Miami and BC have been whiffing hard since 2003.

The bigggest windfall for Miami and BC from moving to the ACC was ensuring conference security.

 

[Rootmaster]

Connecticut will end up in the BIg or ACC. WVU will remain in a name shrunken conference called the Big 12-2=10. If Texas...if Ok...head off to the BIg and/or SEC, WVU will be following Connecticuts path. Just sayin' homers. lol

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Neither conference will move on UCONN until after they see what happens with the Big 12.

ACC only has room for one more and they want Texas as their 15th and ND as their 16th in football.
If needed they will go to 17 in all sports and bring in Texas as the 15th and Oklahoma as the 16th .

Same thing with the B1G.

That is what both conferences have as their Plan A.


UCONN going to the ACC won't happen unless the Big 12 falls apart and the ACC doesn't get their way .


As of right now.....April 2019.

I would say the Big 12 has never been in a better position.
Texas and Oklahoma are pretty much seeing eye to eye about the Big 12 continuing and waiting out both the PAC 12 and ACC.

If you crunch the numbers the ACC even with a conference network will not make the needed money.

 

[doneagain]

Neither conference will move on UCONN until after they see what happens with the Big 12.

ACC only has room for one more and they want Texas as their 15th and ND as their 16th in football.
If needed they will go to 17 in all sports and bring in Texas as the 15th and Oklahoma as the 16th .

Same thing with the B1G.

That is what both conferences have as their Plan A.


UCONN going to the ACC won't happen unless the Big 12 falls apart and the ACC doesn't get their way .


As of right now.....April 2019.

I would say the Big 12 has never been in a better position.
Texas and Oklahoma are pretty much seeing eye to eye about the Big 12 continuing and waiting out both the PAC 12 and ACC.

If you crunch the numbers the ACC even with a conference network will not make the needed money.

The biggest factor is most years, OU or UT only have to beat each other to have a legitimate shot at the playoffs. Why go fight Clemson, FSU and possibly Notre Dame or Oregon, USC and Washington or Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State or Alabama, Florida, LSU and Auburn when winning championships is the true goal. OU has already proven you can get to the playoffs in the B12 with regularity, even over B10 and P12 schools.

 

[jtturner09]

I remember when The Big East's solution to the conference arms race was to elevate Villanova to FBS and put them in a 12,000 seat soccer stadium to solve the Big East's problem with too few football teams. Yikes.

Yes, I feel badly for UConn. Also, I could see - not only a split of the P5 from the East Carolina/UConn/Colorado States of the world... but I could imagine the top of the top (Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas, etc.) forming their own 16-team conference and taking all the TV money. It would be like NFL of college. If not that, definitely the P5 breaking away from the rest of the NCAA.
-Winter Tim

The top of the power 5 would never do that, it doesn’t matter if you’re 16 team conference has Bama, ND, OU, OSU, and TX only one of them could win the conference each year. Too many chiefs and not enough Indians in that conference.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

I wouldn't say never.

I think the schools outside of the B1G and SEC could create a Super Conference.

Mainly because of academics. Pretty much create a conference with all the top research universities. Only one outside of this would be Michigan.

But Alabama doesn't view academics like certain schools do. Maybe if Alabama wanted to be considered an elite university it would work for all the schools.
This is what would keep a school like Alabama out.

 

[WVUALLEN]

The split that will happen is 32 teams will be a super Elite group no longer connected to NCAA.

 

[Rootmaster]

. Too many chiefs and not enough Indians in that conference.

And the titantic will float again...and Princeton will win it all...and W & J will be the next Alabama. Might as well go full dulusional.

 

[dangerousdaneerfan]

I forgot CUSA was still around...i dont mean that as a slap at Marshall.

It was a nice league.

It was a good conference when Memphis, Cincy, and Louisville were the cocks of the walk.

 

[MichiganHerd]

I think Marshall found out the hard way that moving up to 1A was a bad idea. Whomever conned them into expanding their stadium to 41K must have been nuts considering that they only get $200K/year from C-USA. While jumping from the MAC at the time seemed like a good idea, C-USA is looking more like the Sun Belt.

Based on your appearance here, one must assume you got banned from the Herd board once again. You know you're lame when even Perkins has better material.

 

[dangerousdaneerfan]

Based on your appearance here, one must assume you got banned from the Herd board once again. You know you're lame when even Perkins has better material.

And what did I say was NOT true?