Once again, you are clueless. According to Pew, 31% identify as Democrats, while 4% identify as Republicans.
Birthright Citizenship
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Almost 50% of Latinos voted for Trump in 2024. Experts have theories
New data from the Pew Research Center shows that 48% of Latinos voted for President Donald Trump in the 2024 presidential election, a 12% jump from 2020.
www.latimes.com
Sigh ...
A poll may show 31% of them identifying as Democrats, with only 4% identifying as Republicans (that would hardly be surprising), but "identifying" in an opinion poll and actually voting in an election are two entirely distinct things. Once again, you have managed to post a big nothingburger. Felicitations.
That is flat cold bro.??!! They become citizens when they are born alive, and not until then. Pretty much like an embro/fetus becomes a person when it is born alive, and not until then.
Nice try, though.
Keyword is legal.DERP
Almost 50% of Latinos voted for Trump in 2024. Experts have theories
New data from the Pew Research Center shows that 48% of Latinos voted for President Donald Trump in the 2024 presidential election, a 12% jump from 2020.
Well since the legal ones are the only ones who vote, you can no longer make the claim that Dems import them as future voters. Rs have just as good of a chance to win them over but they've completely blown it in the last year and that's your daddy's fault.
Trump has already won dpic. Yall just have to wait and get it confirmed in November.
You know I'm talking about November and likely beyond because he'll keep brutalizing their communities until his term is over.
Link to a Pew study showing that pre-citizen legal immigrants, and illegal immigrants, are sharing their political affiliation with Pew, and how that manifests itself in federal voting? Thanks.
Oooweee now you can’t even keep your post to one coherent point. That anger has you seeing red.
Democrats support this.
Investigation finds 107 Chinese owned surrogacy companies just in Southern California offering American birthright citizenship services exclusively to the elite in China
People here in America are being paid $60k to carry babies, the baby gets citizenship and is shipped back to China
“$60 grand to carry the child. The child is born. The child will be a U.S citizen because they were born here also. Their biological mother is American. They will then be picked up oftentimes by a third party, not even by the dad picked up by a third party and sent back to China — Just in Southern California, we found 107 Chinese owned surrogacy companies that are offering these services in China to members of the elite. So this is a huge, huge, huge problem”
Investigation finds 107 Chinese owned surrogacy companies just in Southern California offering American birthright citizenship services exclusively to the elite in China
People here in America are being paid $60k to carry babies, the baby gets citizenship and is shipped back to China
“$60 grand to carry the child. The child is born. The child will be a U.S citizen because they were born here also. Their biological mother is American. They will then be picked up oftentimes by a third party, not even by the dad picked up by a third party and sent back to China — Just in Southern California, we found 107 Chinese owned surrogacy companies that are offering these services in China to members of the elite. So this is a huge, huge, huge problem”
Wake up people.
Listen closely… because this is not theory… this is real… and it just happened.
Two individuals… Alen Zheng and Ann Mary Zheng… born in the United States… full U.S. citizens by birth.
Their parents… entered this country illegally in the early 1990s… were given due process… and were ordered deported in 1998.
That order stood.
Now fast forward.
March 10, 2026… MacDill Air Force Base… one of the most critical military installations in the country… home to United States Central Command.
An improvised explosive device… placed outside a visitor center.
A fuse… lit.
It fails to detonate… not because of mercy… but because of malfunction.
Let that settle in.
That is not protest… that is not confusion… that is an attempted act of destruction on a U.S. military installation.
The suspect… calls 911 himself.
Days later… the device is discovered… the base locks down… federal agencies move in.
And what happens next tells you everything.
The car used… cleaned… vacuumed… evidence scrubbed.
Then they flee.
Not to Canada… not to Mexico…
To China.
A country with no extradition treaty with the United States.
One remains there… out of reach.
The other returns… and is arrested… now facing federal charges for helping cover it up.
These are not rumors. These are federal indictments… DOJ filings… FBI statements.
Now here is the part people don’t want to confront.
This is not about one incident.
This is about a structural reality.
Citizenship… granted automatically at birth… regardless of the legal status of the parents… creates a legal identity that is disconnected from how that person may actually be anchored… culturally… nationally… or even in terms of allegiance.
That is not emotion… that is a legal and geopolitical question.
Samuel Alito raised this exact issue during Supreme Court arguments… the question of whether “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” was ever meant to be interpreted this broadly.
Because jurisdiction is not just geography… it is allegiance… obligation… legal attachment.
And here you have a real-world case where individuals with full U.S. citizenship…
Attempted an attack on a U.S. military installation…
Then fled directly to a foreign nation that will not return them.
Those are the facts.
No confirmed foreign government link… no declared motive yet… but the behavior itself is what matters.
Action… followed by escape to a jurisdiction shield.
That is not speculation… that is sequence.
Now the debate begins.
Does one case define policy… no.
But does one case expose a vulnerability… absolutely.
Because systems are not judged by how they perform under ideal conditions…
They are judged by what happens when they are exploited.
This case is now sitting at the intersection of law… national security… and constitutional interpretation.
And it forces a question that cannot be avoided…
What does jurisdiction actually mean…
And who does it bind… in reality… not just on paper.
That is where this goes next.
Listen closely… because this is not theory… this is real… and it just happened.
Two individuals… Alen Zheng and Ann Mary Zheng… born in the United States… full U.S. citizens by birth.
Their parents… entered this country illegally in the early 1990s… were given due process… and were ordered deported in 1998.
That order stood.
Now fast forward.
March 10, 2026… MacDill Air Force Base… one of the most critical military installations in the country… home to United States Central Command.
An improvised explosive device… placed outside a visitor center.
A fuse… lit.
It fails to detonate… not because of mercy… but because of malfunction.
Let that settle in.
That is not protest… that is not confusion… that is an attempted act of destruction on a U.S. military installation.
The suspect… calls 911 himself.
Days later… the device is discovered… the base locks down… federal agencies move in.
And what happens next tells you everything.
The car used… cleaned… vacuumed… evidence scrubbed.
Then they flee.
Not to Canada… not to Mexico…
To China.
A country with no extradition treaty with the United States.
One remains there… out of reach.
The other returns… and is arrested… now facing federal charges for helping cover it up.
These are not rumors. These are federal indictments… DOJ filings… FBI statements.
Now here is the part people don’t want to confront.
This is not about one incident.
This is about a structural reality.
Citizenship… granted automatically at birth… regardless of the legal status of the parents… creates a legal identity that is disconnected from how that person may actually be anchored… culturally… nationally… or even in terms of allegiance.
That is not emotion… that is a legal and geopolitical question.
Samuel Alito raised this exact issue during Supreme Court arguments… the question of whether “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” was ever meant to be interpreted this broadly.
Because jurisdiction is not just geography… it is allegiance… obligation… legal attachment.
And here you have a real-world case where individuals with full U.S. citizenship…
Attempted an attack on a U.S. military installation…
Then fled directly to a foreign nation that will not return them.
Those are the facts.
No confirmed foreign government link… no declared motive yet… but the behavior itself is what matters.
Action… followed by escape to a jurisdiction shield.
That is not speculation… that is sequence.
Now the debate begins.
Does one case define policy… no.
But does one case expose a vulnerability… absolutely.
Because systems are not judged by how they perform under ideal conditions…
They are judged by what happens when they are exploited.
This case is now sitting at the intersection of law… national security… and constitutional interpretation.
And it forces a question that cannot be avoided…
What does jurisdiction actually mean…
And who does it bind… in reality… not just on paper.
That is where this goes next.
And here you claimed to be a strict constructionist, and advocated for federal judges to do likewise. Funny how your position has done a full 180 degrees.
Lol...I am not a constitutional lawyer or expert bro. I just have opinions based on what I think is right and wrong.
A friend in Maskachusetts is married to a Honduran. Every time one of his wife's relatives is pregnant she comes to stay with them. When it is time to deliver the baby, the relative Ubers to one of the most expensive hospitals in the world, e.g., Beth Israel. She gives birth, says the magic words to avoid ever receiving a bill ("I'm undocumented"), and, after a few weeks, heads back to Honduras with baby, birth certificate, and U.S. passport. This one family has likely cost taxpayers at least $300,000 in payments to the hospital for "uncompensated care" and more than 10 U.S. citizens have been minted. When the kids are adults they have an automatic right to sponsor their parents for green cards, so eventually this one family will be responsible for perhaps 40 or 50 legal immigrants from Honduras to the U.S.
Boo hoo.
When I see a post from you indicating even a hint of concern about your Orange Guru stealing from the U.S. treasury, granting pardons to criminals because they said they like him, or sending masked and non-uniformed thugs to intimidate U.S. citizens, perhaps I will pay attention to one of your complaints.
When I see a post from you indicating even a hint of concern about your Orange Guru stealing from the U.S. treasury, granting pardons to criminals because they said they like him, or sending masked and non-uniformed thugs to intimidate U.S. citizens, perhaps I will pay attention to one of your complaints.
GFY ******! Everything out of your mouth is a lie.
Gee, I feel SO CRUSHED to discover that you disapprove of me. Quick question: Does looking at photos of your Orange Master make you wanna rub one out?
Anyone with even limited exposure to the news would know this is true unless you're so deep in the cult that you are willing to deny reality and only get your news from TigerGrowls tweets. Someone like you...
Ruling expected this week.
HERE IS WHAT NOBODY IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA WANTS TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE 14TH AMENDMENT.
The entire birthright citizenship debate comes down to five words. "Subject to the jurisdiction thereof."
The 14th Amendment was written in 1868 to guarantee citizenship to formerly enslaved people after the Dred Scott decision. That is it. That is the whole context.
The drafters were not thinking about illegal immigration. Federal immigration restrictions barely existed yet.
There are two sides to this legal fight.
One side says anyone born on US soil is automatically a citizen, period. That has been the practice for over a century.
The other side says "subject to the jurisdiction" means more than just being physically present on American soil. It means OWING FULL LEGAL ALLEGIANCE to the United States. Children of people here illegally arguably do not meet that bar.
The Supreme Court has never directly ruled on this specific question. THE MOST CITED CASE FROM 1898 INVOLVED CHILDREN OF LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, not illegal ones. It is not the slam dunk precedent people claim it is.
This is headed to the current Supreme Court and it will be one of the most consequential rulings in American history either way.
A broad ruling against birthright citizenship creates an enormous humanitarian and logistical upheaval.
A ruling upholding it shuts this door permanently and sends the fight back to Congress.
How will this unpredictable Supreme Court rule? Will they punt just to avoid the upheaval or will they do the right thing and end birthright citizenship for illegals?
Thoughts?
HERE IS WHAT NOBODY IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA WANTS TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE 14TH AMENDMENT.
The entire birthright citizenship debate comes down to five words. "Subject to the jurisdiction thereof."
The 14th Amendment was written in 1868 to guarantee citizenship to formerly enslaved people after the Dred Scott decision. That is it. That is the whole context.
The drafters were not thinking about illegal immigration. Federal immigration restrictions barely existed yet.
There are two sides to this legal fight.
One side says anyone born on US soil is automatically a citizen, period. That has been the practice for over a century.
The other side says "subject to the jurisdiction" means more than just being physically present on American soil. It means OWING FULL LEGAL ALLEGIANCE to the United States. Children of people here illegally arguably do not meet that bar.
The Supreme Court has never directly ruled on this specific question. THE MOST CITED CASE FROM 1898 INVOLVED CHILDREN OF LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, not illegal ones. It is not the slam dunk precedent people claim it is.
This is headed to the current Supreme Court and it will be one of the most consequential rulings in American history either way.
A broad ruling against birthright citizenship creates an enormous humanitarian and logistical upheaval.
A ruling upholding it shuts this door permanently and sends the fight back to Congress.
How will this unpredictable Supreme Court rule? Will they punt just to avoid the upheaval or will they do the right thing and end birthright citizenship for illegals?
Thoughts?
MAGAts: "Secure borders are necessary for a country to thrive. Heck, without strict immigration enforcement, a country doesn't exist at all."
MAGAts: "The drafters were not thinking about illegal immigration. Federal immigration restrictions barely existed. There weren't any immigration laws on the books for about 100 years after this country was founded.
Truth.
The Supreme Court will rule on birthright citizenship tomorrow morning…
It’s not an exaggeration to say this could be the most important decision in our lifetimes.
Under the current interpretation of the 14th Amendment, a foreign citizen of another nation can cross our border illegally at 9 months pregnant, give birth to an American citizen, and then return home. Their child is now eligible for US benefits and can vote in our elections.
The Chinese can also pay to have surrogate children on US territorial islands in the Pacific, then immediately ship the babies to China to be raised under the CCP. Those children are now eligible for US benefits and can vote in our elections.
Both of these scenarios are happening. It’s simply wrong and not at all what the Amendment was intended for, which was former slaves and their children during Reconstruction.
If it stands, US citizenship means nothing.
The Supreme Court will rule on birthright citizenship tomorrow morning…
It’s not an exaggeration to say this could be the most important decision in our lifetimes.
Under the current interpretation of the 14th Amendment, a foreign citizen of another nation can cross our border illegally at 9 months pregnant, give birth to an American citizen, and then return home. Their child is now eligible for US benefits and can vote in our elections.
The Chinese can also pay to have surrogate children on US territorial islands in the Pacific, then immediately ship the babies to China to be raised under the CCP. Those children are now eligible for US benefits and can vote in our elections.
Both of these scenarios are happening. It’s simply wrong and not at all what the Amendment was intended for, which was former slaves and their children during Reconstruction.
If it stands, US citizenship means nothing.
SCAM ALERT: WONG KIM ARK'S PARENTS WERE LAWFUL PERMANENT RESIDENTS - NOT ILLEGAL ALIENS!Birthright citizenship is based upon THE WRONG CASE!
Here is the legal scam nobody is talking about.
The Supreme Court case everyone cites to justify anchor babies is United States v. Wong Kim Ark, decided in 1898. That case said a child born in the U.S. to Chinese parents was automatically a citizen.
But here is what they leave out. Wong Kim Ark's parents were LAWFUL PERMANENT RESIDENTS.
Legal.
Documented.
Fully subject to U.S. jurisdiction!
The Court never said a single word about illegal aliens!
Not one word. The concept of "illegal alien" barely existed as we know it today. Yet for decades, the government just assumed the ruling applied to children of people who broke the law to get here.
That assumption became policy. Policy became tradition. And tradition got mistaken for settled law.
Legal scholars have argued for years that Wong Kim Ark does not reach the question of illegal immigration at all. The Supreme Court has never directly ruled on it.
Trump's executive order is forcing that question into the open for the first time. The Court that was never actually asked the question may finally have to answer it.
The whole anchor baby industry is built on a foundation that was never actually laid.
LOL, TG. Your histrionics about birthright citizenship are entertaining. I actually agree with you about birth tourism being unacceptable. Rolling in to the U.S. as a late term, pregnant, foreign female should, in fact, be a basis for denying the baby U.S. citizenship. But where do you draw the line there, Sparky?
All I hear about is birth tourism and foreign women who are nine months pregnant (and Chinese) rolling in here to give birth at taxpayer expense. Would it surprise you if I took issue with your characterization? I'd be willing to bet that the majority of babies born in the U.S. to illegal aliens are the children of illegal aliens who did not just get here in their ninth month of pregnancy. What if the mother had been living and working here for 10-15 years, working and paying taxes and never getting in trouble? A boring scenario, I would concede, but my guess is that it is much more common than the one you invariably present.
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I think scotus rules in your favor. Hope im wrong. We desperately need a legitimate overhaul to the immigration system but not holding my breath.
I’m genuinely surprised. I figured they would find some way to twist “jurisdiction” into a pretzel.
I honestly had no clue if the SCOTUS would create an unconstitutional humanitarian crisis just because they hate immigrants as neo cons.
Was fully expecting this to be the decision that came down on this. It is unfortunate, but as they say there is more that one way to skin a cat. Deportations just need to increase rapidly (on track now that 10,000 new ice agents were just on boarded). Get the non-citizens out while their citizen children are young and they'll essentially have to go with them. Not to be crass, but that's going to be the play at this point. It won't deal with all of the problems from this suicidal interpretation but it's better than nothing.
I'm sure congress will work really hard on combating the Chinese baby tourism industry currently in full effect..
I'm sure congress will work really hard on combating the Chinese baby tourism industry currently in full effect..
Start the slow wheels turning on a constitutional amendment...