Big, 24 teams

[TruHusker]

Of course academics has nothing to do with it, that is all optics. If it really mattered the Big Ten would go after Harvard.

As far as NU goes, luckily, we are still a draw and have a huge fan base all over, that will change with more crappy seasons. BUT...with just back-back 9/10 win seasons, it all starts to come back.

Well, last I checked, Harvard doesn't give athletic scholarships so there is that.

This "huge" fan base can't hold on forever waiting for that magic 10 win season that was once a forgone conclusion. There are cracks in the armor with the fandom. So "just get back-back 9/10 win seasons" isn't that easy anymore - apparently.

 

[BleedRed78]

I just think houston is a awakening sleeping giant. there's a reason a&m and texas wanted no part of them in the big 12..ask anyone in the state of texas where the recruits are and they all point to houston, their chancelor has them heading towards aau, the houston oil money will be pouring into nil, and the #4 tv market in the country.

but then I see these things developing quicker then others.

it's like when me and dr tom said go to the big 10, many said no....even years later I had to correct folks wanting to go back to the big 12...but as developments have shown I was correct on both occasions...


I thought about georgia and florida since they are aau, but they won't leave the sec and warm weather, they are too candy to play in the cold.

Sadly they might've missed their opportunity timing wise

 

[Spectrumalaska]

Call me foolish, but I would not be surprised to see Miami invited. If I am not mistaken, their academics are quite good. That would give the BIG the Florida market, Miami does have 5 Championships. Catholics vs Convicts regularly.

My next 4 would be:
Notre Dame
Stanford
Washington
Miami

That group holds 10-20 National Championships, depending on how many Notre Dame claims.

 

[redwine65]

Sadly they might've missed their opportunity timing wise

I heard they might not be in the greatest neighborhood, but that going to the stadium is perfectly safe...thats the only down side I heard...but I bet oil money could square that fast with bidens prices...your right they maybe late to the party....but all I'm thinking is recruiting, cause the rust belt recruiting ain't getten er done against the sec...neither is so cal recruiting

 

[Cidsports]

I think it ends up at 24 as well. Basically an AFC and NFC. For the B1G, IMO their top targets would be:

1. ND
2. UVA
3. UNC
4. Washington
5. Oregon
6. Cal or Stanford
7. Colorado
8. Kansas
9. Arizona or ASU
10. Utah

The pod system makes the most sense and I think actually work better for scheduling/travel if you get into that 20-24 range. Keeps things more regional and develops some strong rivalries. Dream scenario would look something like this in the end:

Pod #1
Rutgers
Maryland
North Carolina
Virginia
Penn State
Notre Dame

Pod #2
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Purdue
Indiana
Illinois

Pod #3
Wisconsin
Northwestern
Minnesota
Iowa
Nebraska
Kansas

Pod #4
Washington
Oregon
Stanford
USC
UCLA
Colorado

You play the 5 in your pod each year and rotate the rest. I think we’ll see this go to 9-12 conference games by the end of it.

ACC dissolves and SEC takes Clemson, FSU, Miami, Virginia Tech, maybe the Arizona schools as well. Gonna be several rounds of realignment to come. CFB is going to look unrecognizable from how we knew it a decade from now.

Kansas isn't going to be in B1G.

 

[SuperBigFan]

Well, last I checked, Harvard doesn't give athletic scholarships so there is that.

This "huge" fan base can't hold on forever waiting for that magic 10 win season that was once a forgone conclusion. There are cracks in the armor with the fandom. So "just get back-back 9/10 win seasons" isn't that easy anymore - apparently.

Yeah...the don't give them out but they still give them out.

 

[HuskerMania257460]

Kansas isn't going to be in B1G.

Probably right. They’re lower on the list for a reason. I think the only way they get in is if the B1G goes to 24 somewhat quickly. But more likely it’s 20 teams, at least in the near term. The bottom half of that list (KU, Utah, Colorado, the Arizonas) could get in if they are willing to wait for a few dominos to fall, but they are more likely going to jump on the soonest opportunity that provides them $ and stability to avoid catastrophe.

 

[king_kong_]

Kansas isn't going to be in B1G.

Kansas is a national brand, unlike 10/14 current B1G teams

 

[RedCap_rivals330392]

Kansas isn't going to be in B1G.

What matters is TV eyeballs. Kansas has it for basketball but not for football. And while basketball is important, football is still king.

 

[Charlie Marlow_rivals363743]

It’s hard to see where Iowa State fits into all of this

 

[redwine65]

I see ku (bball/aau) if the big wanted a land bridge into texas..with osu....but there's only so many spots till you hit 24, with bigger targets...

switzer said you need the cupcakes around....so this has been talked about before..but I'm just hoping we ain't tampa bay in the new mini nfl

 

[Redscarlet]

Notre Dame has to make the next move one way or the other choose to play in a conference..

Staying Independent could very well leave them out in the cold and harder to make the playoffs..

Another question is when will they decide to expand the playoffs and I’m thinking 2024..

 

[redwine65]

Notre Dame has to make the next move one way or the other choose to play in a conference..

Staying Independent could very well leave them out in the cold and harder to make the playoffs..

Another question is when will they decide to expand the playoffs and I’m thinking 2024..

I see nd joining the acc, with cinnci, wv, and ucf...and the big 12 and pac 12 merging...

nd hates michigan and their texas/0u type prima donna stuff won't fly in the big ..

here's a list of their demands so far: (from uhnd.com)

Higher % of revenue share
Keep the NBC deal
Conference alignment so that we are in the division we are likely to win annually (I.e., we’re 1 of the perennial four powers along with OSU, SC, and …)
Primary preference in conference scheduling
Carve out for non-conference game
Capacity to leave with one year’s notice from ND; 5 years in reverse with possibility of negotiated buyout
Transparency in recruiting, auditing of practices, and baseline academic standards across the board
Permanent seat on governing body of conference, BCS committee (its successor)

we seen this song and dance before..and it ruins conferances

 

[Redmich]

Notre Dame has to make the next move one way or the other choose to play in a conference..

Staying Independent could very well leave them out in the cold and harder to make the playoffs..

Another question is when will they decide to expand the playoffs and I’m thinking 2024..

I’m pretty sure I know the answer to this but does the big ten or SEC consider offering ND a discount to join?

they are far and above any other school in terms of national reach - you essentially pull in all the huge markets with a single program

the discount ?? Waved entrance fee ?? Would more than be made up by the additional revenue and exposure ND would bring

i suspect due to ego the other big ten schools wouldn’t support

i don’t think ND wants to join the SEC due to the academic stigma. The ACC may be an option if they think it will remain viable. They may also have an easier path to the CFB playoffs in a weaker conference as well

 

[Redscarlet]

I’m pretty sure I know the answer to this but does the big ten or SEC consider offering ND a discount to join?

they are far and above any other school in terms of national reach - you essentially pull in all the huge markets with a single program

the discount ?? Waved entrance fee ?? Would more than be made up by the additional revenue and exposure ND would bring

i suspect due to ego the other big ten schools wouldn’t support

i don’t think ND wants to join the SEC due to the academic stigma. The ACC may be an option if they think it will remain viable. They may also have an easier path to the CFB playoffs in a weaker conference as well

I don’t think ND wants in the SEC either.. It’s joining the ACC which their basically in now except football or They’ll chose the B1G keeping their traditional game with USC which is a big game..
Playing Navy and Army doesn’t move the needle for their playoff hopes..

 

[RedCap_rivals330392]

I’m pretty sure I know the answer to this but does the big ten or SEC consider offering ND a discount to join?

they are far and above any other school in terms of national reach - you essentially pull in all the huge markets with a single program

the discount ?? Waved entrance fee ?? Would more than be made up by the additional revenue and exposure ND would bring

i suspect due to ego the other big ten schools wouldn’t support

i don’t think ND wants to join the SEC due to the academic stigma. The ACC may be an option if they think it will remain viable. They may also have an easier path to the CFB playoffs in a weaker conference as well

It will be interesting to see how Notre Dame reacts. They've always wanted special consideration before but I think their leverage to negotiate is diminishing. They can get more media money in the B1G now than as an independent. The landscape is changing rapidly toward two super conferences and I don't think they want to be in the SEC. They could opt for the ACC but I think that conference is in jeopardy with the SEC likely to be the first to poach some ACC teams. As an independent, Notre Dame likely could get froze out of schedules with their traditional rivals and left out of playoff slots if the big two conferences decide to play hardball with them.

My guess is that Notre Dame will try to negotiate the best terms they can get with the B1G and then finally capitulate when they see they're running out of options.

 

[moralvictories]

UNC would be a top priority for both the SEC and B1G and I wonder if you might have to also take Duke to get them (like USC/UCLA) or would Duke be OK with going to the East and giving up on football? Miami, GT, Clemson all seem more likely to end up in the SEC to me and I don’t see the appeal of Stanford.

If the B1G does add Oregon, Washington and ND and needs one more, I would like to see us add KU.

Duke adds strength in basketball.

 

[slwags_rivals53212]

I would as well…but Lawrence Kansas doesn’t bring a lot of eyeballs on FB Saturdays. KS would be a non- priority, fringe player for a spot in the BIG IMO.

UCLA doesn’t bring any eyeballs either. It’s not just about football.

 

[PlutoDroid_rivals108229]

Anybody remember the reports that Ohio State, and Michigan may end up in the SEC last year? Was this move in the works, or did USC, and UCLA just give the B1G a handful of aces by approaching them.

The B1G seems to be a little more calculated in who they add. I don't know if they planned on this to happen right now. Well it's safe to say it's full go now.

 

[Rick.Shaw1]

UCLA doesn’t bring any eyeballs either. It’s not just about football.

It is about money. Don’t kid yourself?

 

[konaki]

It is about money. Don’t kid yourself?

Couldn't agree more, it's all about money and right now the BIG is king when it comes to spreading the money around the conference. It's not all about getting the best teams that fit into a new conference, it's about eyeballs on the TV nationally, Nebraska has sure proved that even with a bad product they've put out for awhile. You can be a very good team but but do you draw a national audience when times are not that great. Thank GOD Nebraska was very good for decades and had a huge national appeal because if they didn't we would be sweating it out with the remains of the BIG12 right now. Anybody want to go back to the BIG12 now?

 

[phoenix4nu]

Thank GOD Nebraska was very good for centuries and had a huge national appeal because if they didn't we would be sweating it out with the remains of the BIG12 right now. Anybody want to go back to the BIG12 now?

Centuries??

 

[konaki]

Centuries??

Yeah I know, my big goof which I corrected. I think you know I meant decades at least I hope so.

 

[Cidsports]

Notre Dame has to make the next move one way or the other choose to play in a conference..

Staying Independent could very well leave them out in the cold and harder to make the playoffs..

Another question is when will they decide to expand the playoffs and I’m thinking 2024..

They made playoffs in 2020, which happened to be the lone season they played in the ACC.

It is time to join or be out of the picture for a bid.

Fwiw

 

[Cidsports]

Probably right. They’re lower on the list for a reason. I think the only way they get in is if the B1G goes to 24 somewhat quickly. But more likely it’s 20 teams, at least in the near term. The bottom half of that list (KU, Utah, Colorado, the Arizonas) could get in if they are willing to wait for a few dominos to fall, but they are more likely going to jump on the soonest opportunity that provides them $ and stability to avoid catastrophe.

Those teams are headed to Big 12 most likely, then not.

 

[Raptor]

What would the price tag be for Notre Dame to opt out of all the games they have scheduled. They have half to almost full schedules all they way to 2037. I think it's more when,then if they join a conference. On the idea of Cal joing the B1G I don't think there on anyone's radar but the mountain west.

 

[TFrazier_rivals269992]

Yeah I know, my big goof which I corrected. I think you know I meant decades at least I hope so.

 

[RedCap_rivals330392]

What would the price tag be for Notre Dame to opt out of all the games they have scheduled. They have half to almost full schedules all they way to 2037. I think it's more when,then if they join a conference. On the idea of Cal joing the B1G I don't think there on anyone's radar but the mountain west.

Cal is on the radar of Governor Newsom.

 

[RedCap_rivals330392]

What would the price tag be for Notre Dame to opt out of all the games they have scheduled. They have half to almost full schedules all they way to 2037. I think it's more when,then if they join a conference. On the idea of Cal joing the B1G I don't think there on anyone's radar but the mountain west.

It could actually be the reverse that far out in the future. By that time big conferences may only want to play conference games until the playoffs and don't have any time for Notre Dame.

Regardless, it always depends on the language in a specific signed contract (if a contract exists) in terms of penalties for cancelling a game.

 

[studed]

b10 willl add these teams to get to 24
notre Dame, north carolina, duke, virginia, georgia tech, stanford, Cal, last one ( oregon or boston college)

 

[phoenix4nu]

b10 willl add these teams to get to 24
notre Dame, north carolina, duke, virginia, georgia tech, stanford, Cal, last one ( oregon or boston college)

Thanks for letting us know. Greatly appreciated.

 

[Redmich]

b10 willl add these teams to get to 24
notre Dame, north carolina, duke, virginia, georgia tech, stanford, Cal, last one ( oregon or boston college)

I believe the big tens media rights deal expires in 2023 - the big has to maximize their value prior to a new deal being finalized - meaning they need to get ND and any others in the fold very soon

would it be to Fox’s benefit to delay these teams from joining until after a deal is signed - they get to negotiate a deal with the big that doesn’t include ND and others for a comparatively lower price and if these teams join later FOX can then charge increased advertising rates

 

[Rick.Shaw1]

b10 willl add these teams to get to 24
notre Dame, north carolina, duke, virginia, georgia tech, stanford, Cal, last one ( oregon or boston college)

I doubt Duke will be asked. I’d be very surprised if they were part of the BIG. The whole realignment is mostly about $$ and football. Not sure the Blue Devils bring anything to the table in that regard.

 

[250vertical]

What matters is TV eyeballs. Kansas has it for basketball but not for football. And while basketball is important, football is still king.

There are 4 or 5 BB programs that are unlike any others in terms of money. KU - UNC - Kentucky - Duke. The KU/UNC NCAA final broke all kinds of records for viewership, over 20m. There is a reason KU gets so many Big Mondays. ESPN absolutely loves Allen Fieldhouse for one reason - viewership numbers = $. Also, the days are numbered for the NCAA keeping the money from the tournament. That money will be going to the power conferences. They will announce a major FB stadium renovation - or possibly a new stadium - this fall.
It does not hurt KU ( in the eyes of Big 10 presidents and chancellors), that about 3 weeks ago - KU was awarded the Comprehensive Level from the National Cancer Institute (Federal research dollars). All but two, maybe three Big 10 schools have this level designation. Don't count KU out.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

There are 4 or 5 BB programs that are unlike any others in terms of money. KU - UNC - Kentucky - Duke. The KU/UNC NCAA final broke all kinds of records for viewership, over 20m. There is a reason KU gets so many Big Mondays. ESPN absolutely loves Allen Fieldhouse for one reason - viewership numbers = $. Also, the days are numbered for the NCAA keeping the money from the tournament. That money will be going to the power conferences. They will announce a major FB stadium renovation - or possibly a new stadium - this fall.
It does not hurt KU ( in the eyes of Big 10 presidents and chancellors), that about 3 weeks ago - KU was awarded the Comprehensive Level from the National Cancer Institute (Federal research dollars). All but two, maybe three Big 10 schools have this level designation. Don't count KU out.

Kansas basketball will not supplement the Big Ten enough to make the rest of the league whole. KU will only be an option in the Big Ten if/ when the league expands past 20 schools.

 

[tmcats]

Here's what will happen. ND will re-up with NBC, which will then negotiate a B12 deal to be fully vested in college football. Along will come the west coast teams to the B12 creating the third mega conference.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Here's what will happen. ND will re-up with NBC, which will then negotiate a B12 deal to be fully vested in college football. Along will come the west coast teams to the B12 creating the third mega conference.

And NBC will be so thankful to have the Ames IA and Manhattan KS markets they will over pay. Ha ha ha ha

 

[Mr.Scary13]

I doubt Duke will be asked. I’d be very surprised if they were part of the BIG. The whole realignment is mostly about $$ and football. Not sure the Blue Devils bring anything to the table in that regard.

Duke is the Yankees of college ball...someone is going to want them.

 

[tmcats]

And NBC will be so thankful to have the Ames IA and Manhattan KS markets they will over pay. Ha ha ha ha

K-State is the winningest B12 program after OU and Texas.

 

[studed]

I believe the big tens media rights deal expires in 2023 - the big has to maximize their value prior to a new deal being finalized - meaning they need to get ND and any others in the fold very soon

would it be to Fox’s benefit to delay these teams from joining until after a deal is signed - they get to negotiate a deal with the big that doesn’t include ND and others for a comparatively lower price and if these teams join later FOX can then charge increased advertising rates

Nothing is going to happen till ND makes A decision . Right now ND is trying to 75 million from nbc. that is not going to happen. still a few years away from from b10 and sec each having 24 teams https://www.onefootdown.com/2022/7/...-12-big-10-nd-news-conference-realignment-acc