Big 10 expanding again?
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Alabama and Georgia are clearly excellent at the top of the SEC. I am not enamored with the rest of them.
LOL, since when has conference expansion only been about playing the best football on the field? It's about who makes the bigger financial contribution to the conference. In this case Texas is a HUGE market with great viewership numbers, period. Texas, followed by A&M are the biggest players (financially) in that market.
it's also about rationalization. perhaps a way here to kill the b12 or acc, idk? what's come of the collegiate game is just dumbfounding to me, killing the golden goose.
I agree. This is about maximizing $$. The rest will fall into place as far as competition. This coupled with NIL, not that it's going to remain the same, will draw the best talent to the schools at the top of the food chain. There will continue to be diamonds in the rough as there are today.
but ut is tied to the hip with 0u, so a&m seems the next best choice to have a texas footprint
I'm not arguing for Texas BUT if we're honest, Texas is the bigger financial play of the two although for sure A&M is very big in its own right.
I don’t think they’ve paid Fisher yet. So they still have that massive bill to pay.
There was a time, not long ago, when Missouri would have considered leaving the SEC for the BIG. Not now. They are settled in and doing well. The SEC is exciting.
The Fans at A&M get blood red hateful every Saturday in the SEC. Rivals everywhere. Top programs and rabid fan bases in the South. An athletic director's dream. Too much boredom in the BIG. It would kill the excitement. Their fans would go to sleep. Lord knows, they don't need more money.
There are a couple of underserving schools in there - Texas Tech and K-State being the most obvious. They won't make it ahead of Arizona and ASU.
K-State gets left out in every scenario. Best hope is that CFP-12 or CFP-14 sticks and there is no true separation of the SEC/B1G from the peasants.
There's going to be a P2. It's inevitable. What's left of the B12/P12/ACC will join the G5 to form the G8. K-State is on the outside looking in.
There should be a minimum of 64 major football programs competing at the top level
Even that seems like too few
I will never understand the desire to bastardize the game for money no fan will ever see a red cent of
Even that seems like too few
I will never understand the desire to bastardize the game for money no fan will ever see a red cent of
it makes the "winners" feel good to see their golden egg laying goose decapitated.
I'm not buying this. There's some not in and some in that I don't understand. This is 1 person opinion and I have mine
I don't see Pitt, okie light, t tech or k state making the cut. AZ schools more attractive. Questioning Utah as well
The above don't bring enough revenue. They water down the mix. Why would you want to take less
The above don't bring enough revenue. They water down the mix. Why would you want to take less
$EC schools will have a lot to say about who's in and who's out. I think b1g is only interested in ND +1
Florida State. Maybe Virginia. Maybe North Carolina. Notre Dame is a no brainer. We're going to get to 24 and lock it up. Same with the SEC. Take those 48 to another league.
Potential B1G targets: ND, FSU, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia, Texas A&M, Stanford. They are probably not interested in anybody not on that list.
Virginia and Stanford are about academics and research. Their football value is that somebody has to lose games, and may be the hook to get UNC or ND.
Virginia and Stanford are about academics and research. Their football value is that somebody has to lose games, and may be the hook to get UNC or ND.
Would this just be a football league? What do they do with basketball? Many of the best hoops schools are not in these conferences. Maybe still keep conferences for everything but football somehow? I would think that will piss off a lot of schools though who are not in the super league
probably a recency reflection. ku has not beaten k-state the past 15-years and only four times in the last thirty years. so if this is about football, it's clear which school gets invited to the football-first conference. plus, this coming year and what follows with klieman in manhattan could be cfp special.
when i think about this from a commercial point of view, i wonder how we reach these conclusions? here i am looking down on the enterprise from an m&a perspective. this fellow from phx says neither belong. so we would take a couple hundred million in revenue - a half billion in value - and just dump it? phx says they don't belong because, well phx is just smarter than discounted cash flow. amazing.
Good lord. What metric was used for that nonsense? Iowa ahead of Nebraska, Penn State, Wisconsin, Oregon, and Texas A&M?when i think about this from a commercial point of view, i wonder how we reach these conclusions? here i am looking down on the enterprise from an m&a perspective. this fellow from phx says neither belong. so we would take a couple hundred million in revenue - a half billion in value - and just dump it? phx says they don't belong because, well phx is just smarter than discounted cash flow. amazing.
I really don't understand how these values are calculated. How the heck would Iowa be ranked higher than Nebraska, Wisconsin, USC, Tennessee, Texas A&M, etc.?when i think about this from a commercial point of view, i wonder how we reach these conclusions? here i am looking down on the enterprise from an m&a perspective. this fellow from phx says neither belong. so we would take a couple hundred million in revenue - a half billion in value - and just dump it? phx says they don't belong because, well phx is just smarter than discounted cash flow. amazing.
they are looking at the balance sheet and cash flow statements and making judgements mostly by discounting the cash flow to arrive at program values.
simply put, if an enterprise is making $100 in margin v. one making $10, then the former is more valuable regardless how much revenue each is generating.
so how much would i have to bank to generate $100 interest at 5% v. $10 at the same rate. obviously, the former ($2000) is worth more than the latter ($200) if one is valuing cash generation in determining the value of each.
people in m&a do this all the time. generally, people argue about the discount rate. it's one measure of value.
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No one gives a **** about balance sheets for these super conferences. If they did UCLA would have been left out. Face it, Kstate is as middle of the country as you can get. Bordered multiple conferences at various stages. And you have never even been seriously mentioned as a candidate for any of these conferences. That is how you calculate value. And according to my metrics, you ain't worth ****.
i was explaining how the values were determined for the wall street journal article, that's all. and to say andy staples is no one is a judgement call.
CU has switched conferences twice now. They are desirable. KSU hasn't been courted even once. But you think KSU is getting in but not CU? You think ASU, located in a huge metro, is left out but KSU isn't? Very doubtful.i was explaining how the values were determined for the wall street journal article, that's all. and to say andy staples is no one is a judgement call.
andy staples put that chart together, not me. i suppose he was valuing football programs with some recency just as the wall street journal was equating value to cash flow. argue as you choose. it was not my data in either case.
You seem to be using the data to try and win an argument..... Are you now backtracking off your original argument?
the data you speak of are a group of facts which i had nothing to do with other than posting them here. what comes of the this, conferences and the like, i really don't have a clue.