I guess my bar is a little higher. Success would be results on the scoreboard and standings, IMHO. Just like Cal's NBA draft day crap, none of this matters without Ws and championships.
BG to BAMA
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What version are you waiting on? I think what you see is what you get at this point. I mean, the dude has 12-15 yrs of doing this. Leopards and spots. At this point, I think we just have to hope he gets elite talent and then somehow doesn't screw it up.
Oats could have taken our players this year and beat his with Pope coaching them.
People will now see that Pope was BG’s problem.
We had this conversation about two months ago. I sent you a detailed answer that took about 45 minutes of my own time. I don’t push my view on others because I know people are correct to be angry with Pope. That said, I still have some optimism left but elaborating further would require more effort than I feel like giving to this topic.
If I’m right to believe like I do, you get to benefit from it and that’s good. If I’m wrong, I can continue to take the beating for “fanning the wrong way” I guess.
I guess I don't remember this conversation. Not surprising, as the 6 yr old tells me "your remembery isn't very good"...and she's accurate. I'm not telling you how to fan at all. I just think a 50+ yr old that's been doing this as long as Pope has, is who he is. We can all see how stubborn he is, hell all coaches are. My hope has always been the UK brand elevates him above what he's capable of. Problem is, with NIL, that brand doesn't really mean much. At this point, it's just dollar dollar bills y'all.
Oates will make BG 2nd team SEC. The kid just needed to be motivated, which he did not get here. BG can be a load with proper coaching. This may be the best thing for us to open the eyes of our administration on what coaching means.
Disagree strongly. BG is nothing but a backup bench guy you can never depend on.
Agreed. Oats probably sees him for what he is and understands what his level of contribution will be. Doubt he's counting on him to be any more than that, a backup big.
Bama being a football power school with a great basketball program, BG will be under less pressure next year. Remember he started at the beginning of this last year at UK & that’s a lot of built in expectations. No player stressed me out than he did.
Good Luck BG .
Good Luck BG .
Is Garrison coming to Bama to be the starting Center or backup?
He's not a huge wart if he's limited backup minutes....but if Garrison is your backbone in the paint for starters minutes....I don't see even the amazing Oats doing much with Garrison.
- He's a turnover waiting to happen with the ball in his hands/decision making.
- He has like zilch low post scoring....it's sort of comical to watch him back down and throw up the crap he does for a 3rd year college player
- His mental make up is that of a hot head child
- He's never shown to be an above average rebounder
The only solid trait was Garrison did show some defensive chops toward end of year....maybe Oats can pull that out of him.
He's not a huge wart if he's limited backup minutes....but if Garrison is your backbone in the paint for starters minutes....I don't see even the amazing Oats doing much with Garrison.
- He's a turnover waiting to happen with the ball in his hands/decision making.
- He has like zilch low post scoring....it's sort of comical to watch him back down and throw up the crap he does for a 3rd year college player
- His mental make up is that of a hot head child
- He's never shown to be an above average rebounder
The only solid trait was Garrison did show some defensive chops toward end of year....maybe Oats can pull that out of him.
Not every coach can deal with all those Ego's, a new bunch of Ego's every damn year. I know I know he makes $5,000,000+ a year, but it's still a lot of pressure.
Recruiting is make or break him soon, which will it be? I hope we land some names in the next little while. I just can't fkn want Kentucky to lose, just to get rid of a coach.
We all would have said something similar about Hurley before the last 4 years. Hurley coached for 12 years (4 of those at UConn) before going to his first FF. Pope is 4 months older than Hurley.
For the record, the ONLY comparison that I am making is that coaches have to learn and grow. Hurley did that, to his credit. Some of us are hoping that Pope can do that as well. The age bias on this board is actually sad and funny at the same time. It isn't grounded in reality tho.
Please, elaborate on the stubbornness "we can all see" because we all think you're full of it.
Not getting a real GM. Not changing his substitution patterns when it was obvious to everyone it was hurting our performance. The weird locker room stuff that he brought up and then immediately began covering up. Relying on analytics in real time when actual human coaching decisions and eyeballs are more appropriate.
I’m sure there is more, but the dude has some stubbornness.
Nothing but emotional speculation in your imagination and no examples of stubbornness "we can all see". "Obvious to everyone" is a universal statement that has no grounding in truth. You don't think he makes coaching decisions or uses his eyeballs?
@Mossip summed up my thoughts exactly. You either see it or choose to ignore it. But honestly, most coaches are stubborn as all get out.
Dude, wax poetically all you want. Yes, I think he uses his eyes to make decisions. I also think he's as stubborn as can be for all of the things mentioned. Mainly the stupidity of the GM verbiage and his ridiculous viewpoint on usage rates (that LITERALLY no other major college coach uses).
Disagree. Hurley turned around two programs before also turning around UConn. He also turned around UConn pre portal and pre NIL. He also turned around UConn that was on probation (scholly and postseason restrictions) when he took over. Totally different ballgame.
Pope does certainly need to evolve though, no argument there. If he can figure out how to navigate the portal and NIL budgets, it will certainly help. Just hard for me to grasp that a coach has to learn on the job at UK. It's frustrating, if nothing else.
Logic is poetry to this emotional "thinker". So the GM verbiage is "stupidity" by who? You're the one that is emotional about "verbiage". Which team had more players play 27+ minutes per game this year UK or Michigan?
UK did it out of necessity. Lord knows you've heard all the injury excuses on here. But let's not let facts get in the way of a good emotional debate. Man, you pumpers can spin anything huh?
By his own admission, Hurley said that he had to change his coaching philosophy to get to where he is today. In his first 8 years at Wagner and RI, he made it to the Round of 32 twice. In his first 4 years at UConn he had 2 tournament appearances without a win. He went from that to a national title because he adapted to the game. I give him props for that.
IIRC...and I could be off, but I thought what he was talking about was his reliance on NBA offenses. He went heavy ballscreen and Princeton Chin stuff once all the NBA teams started using it.
Now BG is going to dominate isn't he
NO
But I do look for him to play the best game of his college basketball career against Kentucky.
I got your son fan since 1959 doubt you were born yet your username doesn't excuse a ridiculous statement going unnoticed grow a pair Pope will never win the sec much less win a championship now go to bed like I told you son and dream of Pope winning 4 championships because that's the only way it will happen.
I bet BG is the type of player you have to yell at and make mad in order for him to be motivated. Pope isn't really like that. Maybe Oats will get the best out of BG by giving him a wet willie or nut tap when he isn't playing well.
Well folks we found the new OleTiredBum. How do I know? For starters, I read this post twice and still have clue what point is being made. Secondly, there is no punctuation — the whole thing looks like one run-on sentence.
Yeah, I mean, it's not like Aberdeen developed into a solid point guard or anything, when he didn't even play that position.
It's not like Amari Williams developed into a point-center that got minutes for the Celtics.
It's not like Kobe Brea got drafted to the NBA when he was never considered prior.
It's not like Oweh became a star, all SEC, type player when that was not the case prior.
It's not like Moreno came in, expecting to get limited playing time this year, but became a starter.
It's not like Kam Williams was the 6th man on Tulane, but became a good 3 and D prospect and hit 8 threes in one game.
You're right, Pope has the inability to develop players. It is crazy how none of his players have improved.
There are so many players I have worried about having career games against UK. Especially in Rupp. BG is very close to the bottom of that list
Just what I thought you had nothing of substance to come back with. If you want to see a bum one glance in the mirror should be adequate. Look at what you posted where you quoted still have clue, pretty sure you missed that Einstein.Your username fits you perfectly because you definitely are a idiot.
A lot of this comes down to fit, need, and use. I don’t know what Alabama is needing or wanting out of him. These are rosters with coaches look for different things in players. It’s not some one size fits all. If Garrison wanted to come back as a role guy I don’t have an issue with that. But Mark relied far too much on him in 2 seasons here. Garrison was never that guy, especially under Pope.
The other issue is, unfortunately, Oats is a superior coach to Pope. There’s just no debating it. Pope isn’t great at roster management and in game management. Oats is actually pretty good at it, and he’s a far better motivator so Garrison likely will look better under Oats. Not a guarantee, but likely? Probably. So situations are relative to what each team has and is doing and how they’re coached.
