Better without Peters?

[o_HuntDawg]

I think Saturday against Vandy was one of our best performances as a whole this season, especially the second half, and we did that without Peters.

Which leads me to my thought of are we better without Peters.

1. without Peters, we get Tyson Carter on the floor more, whose long range shooting is needed
2. we can also move Q at times to the 2 guard and play a bigger lineup
3. for Peters to be effective he has to dominate the ball. Often times leading him to simply dribble the ball and leave other players standing around. I realize that he does a good many of assists, but at the end of the day you should have a lot of them when you have the ball each and every possession
4. This would allow us to run our O through Q more, who to me is our best player
5. We become a better team defensively
6. Nick becomes the 1, Tyson the 2, Q the 3.. its a more traditional lineup and allows Nick to run the offense the way it was designed instead of having our PG simply do some fancy dribbling at the top of the key and fire up a shot.


With Peters:
We are capable of beating really good teams if he's hot or playing well that night...When hot, he certainly makes our ceiling much higher
He is also capable of playing or shooting us out of games if he isnt... When he's not, SC can beat us

I personally really liked the way we looked the second half and think if we diminished his role on the team we would become a more consistent team.

 

[coach66]

Peters is talented and needs to play. When we went on our run last year he

was a team player and that's all we need to get back to if we want to have success. Just play team ball on offense and relentless
defense and rebounding and the crowds and wins will come.

See how women play.

 

[o_HuntDawg]

Agree.. too talented and needs to play.

I'd like to see him come off the bench. That way he can be himself with the second unit. If he's hot we ride him. If he's not we limit what he does.

Just think the group that played the second half against Vandy looked like a basketball team that could win a lot of games. Everyone had roles, played their roles, ball moved, etc

 

[Len2003]

It depends on which Peters you get. If you get the Peters that wants to jack up 3s and show boat his ball handling skills instead of being a team player and running the offense, then we're better without him. If you get the Peters that can dish out great assists and take good shots, we're better with him. Overall, that kind of inconsistency is not good for the team, especially at the PG position. He's supposed to be the leader that sets the tone for the team. When he's getting technical fouls and not running the offense, he's harming the team.

His skill set is great for a PG, but his intangibles for that position suck. He's can be emotional, undisciplined, inconsistent, and he's not a leader. Those are terrible qualities to have for a PG. On the flip side, he's our best passer, ball handler, and one of our best shooters.

 

[drummerdawg]

Yall do know that we led 25-10 to start the game against Vandy with Peters starting right? He was a huge part in getting us out to a big lead.

 

[jdbulldog]

Nuts. If we go into the NCAA tourney it will be because Peters led us. Period.

 

[Dawgzilla]

Peters is really our only point guard. I could be wrong, but Saturday was the first time this season that I saw our offense look competent with Peters on the bench.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Are we better without peters?

That’d be a big negative.

 

[o_HuntDawg]

At the 25-10 mark in the game:

Peters was 2 for 4, 0 for 2 from 3, 4 points, 1 rebound, 0 assists, 1 turnover

I agree with Len, think he nailed it on the head. Again I'd like to see him come off the bench and us start the game with a more consistent team.

 

[Go Budaw]

Not really sure where to start on this one....

On Number 3, other players standing around while Peters tries to make something happen is not a Peters problem, it’s an “other players” problem. They need to move without the ball and cut to the basket when they can. Howland needs to correct this if becomes a pattern.

On Number 4, just no. Peters is our best player. By far. Wait until the NBA draft if you think otherwise.

On Number 5, explain how we get better defensively by starting Carter. He is, at best, an average defender an he looked atrocious at times in the UF game on that end. I’m taking Peters over him on defense every day. The biggest defensive liability we have is Holman, with Q coming in a close second. If you want us yo get better defensively the first option should be to bring Holman off the bench and start Woodard every game. Also, get Perry more minutes as well.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

Thought this was an Ellen Degeneres thread

 

[o_HuntDawg]

3. Agree-- we either have to fix that problem or fix Peters.

4. Agree that the NBA game is way more suited for Peters game than the college game. Doesn't mean or make Peters our best fit right now for the team though.

5. explain? Simple. in nearly a games worth of less minutes played. Carter has just as many rebounds and more steals than Peters. Carter is also longer and rangier and puts other people in their correct spots to guard players.... and I totally 10000000% agree with you that Q doesn't play defense at all either.


And I guess my subject title was a little off. I obviously know we are better with Peters, guess I was referring to how we use him. I know we need him. I just happen the think the first group or team runs/ran better without him on Saturday. I think Peters would be better off coming off the bench. Would make our D better (although I agree there are other ways to do this), and allow us to start the game in more of a flow. And also gives us a jolt/wildcard coming off the bench if things don't start right

Not really sure where to start on this one....

On Number 3, other players standing around while Peters tries to make something happen is not a Peters problem, it’s an “other players” problem. They need to move without the ball and cut to the basket when they can. Howland needs to correct this if becomes a pattern.

On Number 4, just no. Peters is our best player. By far. Wait until the NBA draft if you think otherwise.

On Number 5, explain how we get better defensively by starting Carter. He is, at best, an average defender an he looked atrocious at times in the UF game on that end. I’m taking Peters over him on defense every day. The biggest defensive liability we have is Holman, with Q coming in a close second. If you want us yo get better defensively the first option should be to bring Holman off the bench and start Woodard every game. Also, get Perry more minutes as well.

 

[drummerdawg]

At the 25-10 mark in the game:

Peters was 2 for 4, 0 for 2 from 3, 4 points, 1 rebound, 0 assists, 1 turnover

I agree with Len, think he nailed it on the head. Again I'd like to see him come off the bench and us start the game with a more consistent team.

Peters had the first assist of the game and then hit a 3 to put us up 10-0...

 

[KentuckyDawg13]

You should stay away from basketball threads.

:-/

 

[Go Budaw]

And I guess my subject title was a little off. I obviously know we are better with Peters, guess I was referring to how we use him. I know we need him. I just happen the think the first group or team runs/ran better without him on Saturday. I think Peters would be better off coming off the bench. Would make our D better (although I agree there are other ways to do this), and allow us to start the game in more of a flow. And also gives us a jolt/wildcard coming off the bench if things don't start right

So you are using a one game sample size against probably the worst team in the SEC (and a game in which Peters helped us get a 15 point lead, mind you) to justify decisions on our roster management for the rest of the season? Seems a little shortsighted.

 

[dawgman42]

Peters is just having some issues to work through, that's all. Too bad we don't have direct access to past bench therapists that have helped troubled PGs in their time of need . . .

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[coach66]

I'm not a prospect!

nm

 

[tenureplan]

Or another Gillette commercial

 

[triton28]

Fwiw i left the ole miss game wondering the same thing.

 

[Lettucexxxx]

Peters is just having some issues to work through, that's all. Too bad we don't have direct access to past bench therapists that have helped troubled PGs in their time of need . . .

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Thats a great picture.

 

[coach66]

You speak the truth, good summation.

nm

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Man, our fanbase shows it’s ignorance more that I would prefer.

We have a thread about benching our biggest threat on the dribble drive, whether scoring or assisting, averaging 13.3 points, 5.8 assist, shoots 41% from 3.

Y’all want Q running point? Nick? TYSON CARTER?!?!?!

I know why Kurtrambis4 won’t come back.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

Damn right. The video is even better. Dee shakes his head, and his face is like, "ain't no 17n daycare, get this Meo looking lil' **** away from me."

 

[RiverCityDawg]

I think Saturday against Vandy was one of our best performances as a whole this season, especially the second half, and we did that without Peters.

Which leads me to my thought of are we better without Peters.

1. without Peters, we get Tyson Carter on the floor more, whose long range shooting is needed
2. we can also move Q at times to the 2 guard and play a bigger lineup
3. for Peters to be effective he has to dominate the ball. Often times leading him to simply dribble the ball and leave other players standing around. I realize that he does a good many of assists, but at the end of the day you should have a lot of them when you have the ball each and every possession
4. This would allow us to run our O through Q more, who to me is our best player
5. We become a better team defensively
6. Nick becomes the 1, Tyson the 2, Q the 3.. its a more traditional lineup and allows Nick to run the offense the way it was designed instead of having our PG simply do some fancy dribbling at the top of the key and fire up a shot.


With Peters:
We are capable of beating really good teams if he's hot or playing well that night...When hot, he certainly makes our ceiling much higher
He is also capable of playing or shooting us out of games if he isnt... When he's not, SC can beat us

I personally really liked the way we looked the second half and think if we diminished his role on the team we would become a more consistent team.

I disagree with all 6 points.

Peters is inconsistent and I wish more level headed, but when he's off he doesn't hurt us nearly as much as you are suggesting. I don't think we are a tournament team without him. Q is a ball stopper for the most part and turns it over way too much. I actually would prefer he play a little less and Woodard more.

 

[512taylor]

Just be sure his alarm clock is set.

 

[ShrubDog]

What you talking about? We could use 2 Peters.

 

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

These guys apparently are:

 

[MSUDC11]

Usually when threads like this get started, the player being criticized ends up having a huge game in a big win. So I’ll see you all right here later tonight if Peters has 25 points and 10 assists and we beat Kentucky for the first time in decade.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

we need Peters on the court. If he is hot we need him shooting. If he is not, we need him driving and kicking out or dishing the ball of the the four other guys on the court with him. If Peters is hot while Perry and Woodard are also on the court watch out! The three of them definitely have the highest motors on the team.

 

[Len2003]

Man, our fanbase shows it’s ignorance more that I would prefer.

We have a thread about benching our biggest threat on the dribble drive, whether scoring or assisting, averaging 13.3 points, 5.8 assist, shoots 41% from 3.

Y’all want Q running point? Nick? TYSON CARTER?!?!?!

I know why Kurtrambis4 won’t come back.

This is the quandry you run into with this team. Who else would you put out there? I don't really have a lot of faith in Spoon 2.0's ability to dish out assists and drive the lane like Lamar. Tyson doesn't seem like he wants to run a team. He just wants to stand in the corner and shoot three pointers, which is perfectly fine. Every team needs a few role players. Spoon the Elder has butter fingers and dribbles it off his foot. When it's all said and done, I think you just have to put Lamar out there and cross your fingers that he makes the right decisions.

 

[mstateglfr]

This is the quandry you run into with this team. Who else would you put out there? I don't really have a lot of faith in Spoon 2.0's ability to dish out assists and drive the lane like Lamar. Tyson doesn't seem like he wants to run a team. He just wants to stand in the corner and shoot three pointers, which is perfectly fine. Every team needs a few role players. Spoon the Elder has butter fingers and dribbles it off his foot. When it's all said and done, I think you just have to put Lamar out there and cross your fingers that he makes the right decisions.

Makes you wonder who will lead the charge next season if Peters decides to get paid after this season.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

This is the quandry you run into with this team. Who else would you put out there? I don't really have a lot of faith in Spoon 2.0's ability to dish out assists and drive the lane like Lamar. Tyson doesn't seem like he wants to run a team. He just wants to stand in the corner and shoot three pointers, which is perfectly fine. Every team needs a few role players. Spoon the Elder has butter fingers and dribbles it off his foot. When it's all said and done, I think you just have to put Lamar out there and cross your fingers that he makes the right decisions.

Which his 5.8 assists per game, 41% 3 point per game suggest he makes the right decisions a lot more than he does the wrong ones.

 

[whosyourdawgy]

NO

 

[o_HuntDawg]

Maybe I'm not as dumb as some think. Hard to believe it was a coaches oversight as to why he didn't start. If thats the case, then I have no words for that assistant, also Howland could have subbed him in the first dead ball.

Peters can shoot us into and out of games. He needs to be reigned in.

Before anyone blows up. I know a lot of people didn't play well last night, this isnt about last night alone, I think he fits better off the bench

 

[VegasDawg13]

also Howland could have subbed him in the first dead ball.

That's exactly what he did.