Belmont vs. Temple

YouKay

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Really excited for this game tonight, though a tough one for me. I have followed both teams for several years (son graduated from Belmont in 2015; daughter will graduate Temple in May and son's best friend graduated there in 2015). Here are a few things you might want to know about them:

Temple (23-9):

Coach Fran Dunphy is retiring after this season. Team has a lot of incentive to win for him. One of 15 active coaches with 500 wins. Also one of only 6 coaches to win more than 200 games at two different schools and take both schools to at least 6 NCAA tournaments. Great guy.

Temple has two fantastic guards, junior Shizz Alston Jr. (19.7 ppg, 5 apg) and senior Quinton Rose (16.5 ppg). Both could play in the NBA. Rose is 6'8" and a Corey Brewer type, and considered leaving last year for the NBA but returned. Alston is just a baller, a hardnosed Philly guard who is fast and crafty. Good outside shooter. Also a 90% FT shooter. He may go to the NBA this year. They also start guard Nate Pierre-Louis (13.3 ppg) who went to Roselle Catholic in NJ (Isaiah Briscoe, Khalil Whitney). Have some size inside but they run through their guards.

Temple finished third the AAC this year behind Cincinnati and Houston. Lost in the AAC tournament to Wichita State (split the season series with them.)

Good wins: Houston, UCF.
Good losses: UCF, Cincinnati (only played once), Houston, Villanova, VCU.
Bad losses: Penn, Tulsa, Memphis (split with them), Wichita State twice (split reg season)

Belmont (26-5):

Coach Rick Byrd is well known as one of the top mid-major coaches of all time. Got his 800th win this year. Candidate for the Naismith Hall of Fame this year. A tremendous coach, leader, and developer of players.

Unlike previous guard-oriented Belmont teams, this one is led by its frontcourt players. Dylan Windler (21.4 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 85% FT) may be the best player you have never seen. A candidate for the Senior Class Award and the Julius Erving award, Windler is one of only two players in D1 this year to average 20+ points and 11 rebounds per game (#7 scorer and #2 rebounder in the tournament). He is a rebounding machine but also a very efficient offensive player, shooting 55% overall and 43% from 3 (over 200 attempts too.) Can take over a game, as he did in the OVC semis when he scored 22 points in the second half to lead Belmont to a come from behind win. Center Nick Muszinsky (15 ppg, 6 rpg) is unlike any other big Belmont has had in recent years. He is 6'11, 235 lbs and really good, although a freshman. He was injured in the OVC semis and did not play against Murray State, one of the big reasons they lost. He is expected to play tonight. Belmont's guards are typically good but not as great as in past years. Point guard Grayson Murphy is just a freshman, very unusual for Belmont, and can be shaky at times, though he averages an excellent 7 assists and under 2.5 turnovers per game.

Belmont won the OVC regular season and lost the tournament championship game to Murray State. It is the first at-large team from the OVC to make the NCAA tournament since 1987.

Good wins: Murray State (regular season), UCLA in LA(!!), Lipscomb
Good losses: Purdue, Murray State
Bad losses: Green Bay, Jacksonville State (twice, only losses in OVC until the tournament)

Analysis:

Talent wise, this is a pretty even and fun matchup. Temple has two possible NBA players, Belmont has one for sure in Windler and possibly another in Muszinsky although he is a freshman. It is a contrast in terms of scoring, with most of Temple's points coming from its backcourt and most of Belmont's from its frontcourt. Temple has a very big advantage with Alston against Murphy. Murphy was lost against Ja Morant, and Alston is a similar type player. However, Temple is going to have a hard time with Windler. Not sure the AAC has a player like him.

Having watched a lot of both teams, I give a slight edge to Belmont because of the efficiency and consistency of their offense (6th nationally in offensive efficiency), and their excellent rebounding (6th nationally). They averaged over 87 points a game this year (2nd nationally) and shot 50% as a team (5th nationally). Belmont leads the nation in assists per game. They had a poor shooting night against Murray State, but those are rare. Temple isn't a particularly good defensive team, nor is it a great rebounding team. it is also inconsistent offensively and can struggle to score for long stretches. Belmont loses tournament matchups against more athletic teams, but Temple loses to good shooting teams. Belmont is 0-7 in it previous NCAA tournament appearances, but this team seems built to win one finally, and possibly more than one.

Really happy the Committee selected both of these teams, they deserved to be in much more than teams like Alabama and Indiana.
 

YouKay

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I’m riding with Belmont, I think they upset Maryland in first round as well.

Will be a tall order as Maryland is a physically imposing team and has a rebounder in Bruno Fernando that is as good as Windler. Once again Belmont gets a very tough matchup. I do think they have had teams good enough to win two games, but they always seem to get pitted against big, athletic teams that overpower them.
 

bgood4UK

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I'm just shocked there's a Belmont fan that cares this much about their program. Barely managed to scrape up 300 fans to go cheer them at the OVC tournament. Regardless, pulling for them to win a couple games, and I think they definitely have the team to do it.
 
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YouKay

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I'm just shocked there's a Belmont fan that cares this much about their program. Barely managed to scrape up 300 fans to go cheer them at the OVC tournament. Regardless, pulling for them to win a couple games, and I think they definitely have the team to do it.

As I said, my son is a Belmont alum and I started following them when he went there. They have quite a story - when my son started there, they were in the Horizon conference, then jumped to the Atlantic Sun, then to the OVC. They have dominated at every level. Won the OVC the first year they were in it. Just a really fun team to watch every year. Rick Byrd takes guys that were not recruited by the high majors and turns them into great players. He is also good friends with Cal. UK practices at Belmont every year before the SEC tournament.
 

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Just want to add that Jacksonville State is a good team. If you didn't watch them play you may not know. It took a last second shot for Murray State to beat them. Earlier in the season they beat Murray State by 20. Beat Belmont twice. They play up to their competition. It's not THAT bad of a loss. They were a tough out in the OVC tourney and we're we'ry capable of winning. Ray Harper coaches those boys up well.

I'm taking Belmont to beat temple by 3. Belmont will then be a tough out for Maryland. Belmont's big white boy in the front court is a baller by any standard. Dylan something. one if my brackets I have them beating Maryland, one losing.

Rip Hamilton picked Murray State to go to the elite 8. I live in Murray and am a Murray State fan, 2nd to UK of course, but that ain't happening unless JA scores 40+ every game. Supporting cast just isn't good enough. I will take Murray State to beat Marquette and maybe Fl St. But that's as far as the cinderella run goes and I doubt it goes that far.
 
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ORCAT10

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Really excited for this game tonight, though a tough one for me. I have followed both teams for several years (son graduated from Belmont in 2015; daughter will graduate Temple in May and son's best friend graduated there in 2015). Here are a few things you might want to know about them:

Temple (23-9):

Coach Fran Dunphy is retiring after this season. Team has a lot of incentive to win for him. One of 15 active coaches with 500 wins. Also one of only 6 coaches to win more than 200 games at two different schools and take both schools to at least 6 NCAA tournaments. Great guy.

Temple has two fantastic guards, junior Shizz Alston Jr. (19.7 ppg, 5 apg) and senior Quinton Rose (16.5 ppg). Both could play in the NBA. Rose is 6'8" and a Corey Brewer type, and considered leaving last year for the NBA but returned. Alston is just a baller, a hardnosed Philly guard who is fast and crafty. Good outside shooter. Also a 90% FT shooter. He may go to the NBA this year. They also start guard Nate Pierre-Louis (13.3 ppg) who went to Roselle Catholic in NJ (Isaiah Briscoe, Khalil Whitney). Have some size inside but they run through their guards.

Temple finished third the AAC this year behind Cincinnati and Houston. Lost in the AAC tournament to Wichita State (split the season series with them.)

Good wins: Houston, UCF.
Good losses: UCF, Cincinnati (only played once), Houston, Villanova, VCU.
Bad losses: Penn, Tulsa, Memphis (split with them), Wichita State twice (split reg season)

Belmont (26-5):

Coach Rick Byrd is well known as one of the top mid-major coaches of all time. Got his 800th win this year. Candidate for the Naismith Hall of Fame this year. A tremendous coach, leader, and developer of players.

Unlike previous guard-oriented Belmont teams, this one is led by its frontcourt players. Dylan Windler (21.4 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 85% FT) may be the best player you have never seen. A candidate for the Senior Class Award and the Julius Erving award, Windler is one of only two players in D1 this year to average 20+ points and 11 rebounds per game (#7 scorer and #2 rebounder in the tournament). He is a rebounding machine but also a very efficient offensive player, shooting 55% overall and 43% from 3 (over 200 attempts too.) Can take over a game, as he did in the OVC semis when he scored 22 points in the second half to lead Belmont to a come from behind win. Center Nick Muszinsky (15 ppg, 6 rpg) is unlike any other big Belmont has had in recent years. He is 6'11, 235 lbs and really good, although a freshman. He was injured in the OVC semis and did not play against Murray State, one of the big reasons they lost. He is expected to play tonight. Belmont's guards are typically good but not as great as in past years. Point guard Grayson Murphy is just a freshman, very unusual for Belmont, and can be shaky at times, though he averages an excellent 7 assists and under 2.5 turnovers per game.

Belmont won the OVC regular season and lost the tournament championship game to Murray State. It is the first at-large team from the OVC to make the NCAA tournament since 1987.

Good wins: Murray State (regular season), UCLA in LA(!!), Lipscomb
Good losses: Purdue, Murray State
Bad losses: Green Bay, Jacksonville State (twice, only losses in OVC until the tournament)

Analysis:

Talent wise, this is a pretty even and fun matchup. Temple has two possible NBA players, Belmont has one for sure in Windler and possibly another in Muszinsky although he is a freshman. It is a contrast in terms of scoring, with most of Temple's points coming from its backcourt and most of Belmont's from its frontcourt. Temple has a very big advantage with Alston against Murphy. Murphy was lost against Ja Morant, and Alston is a similar type player. However, Temple is going to have a hard time with Windler. Not sure the AAC has a player like him.

Having watched a lot of both teams, I give a slight edge to Belmont because of the efficiency and consistency of their offense (6th nationally in offensive efficiency), and their excellent rebounding (6th nationally). They averaged over 87 points a game this year (2nd nationally) and shot 50% as a team (5th nationally). Belmont leads the nation in assists per game. They had a poor shooting night against Murray State, but those are rare. Temple isn't a particularly good defensive team, nor is it a great rebounding team. it is also inconsistent offensively and can struggle to score for long stretches. Belmont loses tournament matchups against more athletic teams, but Temple loses to good shooting teams. Belmont is 0-7 in it previous NCAA tournament appearances, but this team seems built to win one finally, and possibly more than one.

Really happy the Committee selected both of these teams, they deserved to be in much more than teams like Alabama and Indiana.
Great summary. Thanks. Nothing against Temple but I'm rooting for Belmont. Anyone know if Coach Byrd ever had offers to coach at bigger programs. Was ut interested in one of its numerous coaching searches?
 

SmyrnaCatFan

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My daughter is a Belmont grad and inducted last year to Athletic HOF for cross. My only beef this year and for the last few is why an 11 seed has to be in the play in game when there are multiple 16 seeds, 15, 14 13 and 12 seeds. Just does not play to my sensibilities.
 
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specialkd24_rivals116121

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My daughter is a Belmont grad and inducted last year to Athletic HOF for cross. My only beef this year and for the last few is why an 11 seed has to be in the play in game when there are multiple 16 seeds, 15, 14 13 and 12 seeds. Just does not play to my sensibilities.

The final 4 at-large teams play in 2 of the Opening Round games. Everyone below that seed line was an automatic qualifier. The 4 worst seeds in the tournament play in the other 2 Opening Round games.

I know everyone wants to call them "play-in" games, but they count as NCAA Tournament wins, and they give the conferences money for the wins.
 

specialkd24_rivals116121

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If Belmont is hitting 3-pointers (and they hit a 10 a game), they can beat anyone. If Muszynski is healthy, that will help a great deal, as he can post up and is a great passer, which opens up wide open 3s.

Windler had a 30-point/20-rebound game in each of the past two seasons. That is impressive.
 

Sparkaces

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Just want to add that Jacksonville State is a good team. If you didn't watch them play you may not know. It took a last second shot for Murray State to beat them. Earlier in the season they beat Murray State by 20. Beat Belmont twice. They play up to their competition. It's not THAT bad of a loss. They were a tough out in the OVC tourney and we're we'ry capable of winning. Ron Harper coaches those boys up well.

I'm taking Belmont to beat temple by 3. Belmont will then be a tough out for Maryland. Belmont's big white boy in the front court is a baller by any standard. Dylan something. one if my brackets I have them beating Maryland, one losing.

Rip Hamilton picked Murray State to go to the elite 8. I live in Murray and am a Murray State fan, 2nd to UK of course, but that ain't happening unless JA scores 40+ every game. Supporting cast just isn't good enough. I will take Murray State to beat Marquette and maybe Fl St. But that's as far as the cinderella run goes and I doubt it goes that far.
RAY HARPER can coach. Ron Harper was a pro basketball player, but can prob coach as well. Jacksonville State was very good though!
 
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marshalfan

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Go Belmont. Windler only has 3 points and Belmont is still winning. Look for Windler to step up in the 2nd half
 

bbnkat02

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I liked Ray Harper at WKU. He just lost the locker room. Had a few players get in trouble and didn’t handle it well. Still think he’s a good coach.
 

MoneyMuntz

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I'm just shocked there's a Belmont fan that cares this much about their program. Barely managed to scrape up 300 fans to go cheer them at the OVC tournament. Regardless, pulling for them to win a couple games, and I think they definitely have the team to do it.
I’m at the game, and temple fans outnumber them 10 to 1...
 
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TortElvisII

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Temple defense on Windler has been great. Being a decoy is underrated. Belmont too many weapons.
 

HenryMuto

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What a game of runs. I thought Belmont was going to blow this but a huge run to get a 10 point lead with 4 minutes left just need to hang on now.
 

HenryMuto

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I just wish stupid Arizona State didn't choke their lead away against Oregon it really hurt to see UNCG was the very first team out. A very rare chance to have got 2 mid major at large teams off the bubble and in and stupid Arizona State screwed it up so I hope they lose tomorrow.
 

HenryMuto

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At the time I really wasn't rooting for Belmont or Murray State when they played they both deserved to be in. I knew that the only chance to have both in was for Murray State to win and it worked out great. So glad to see both teams in there.
 

YouKay

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Yay Belmont!!! Was a nerve racking game to watch but Belmont just has too many weapons. Sorry y'all didn't get to see the full Dylan Windler experience, but I hope you noticed what a fantastic rebounder he is.

A wild game of runs, but Temple did what it has done a lot and just ran out of gas and started playing haphazardly.
 

marshalfan

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At the time I really wasn't rooting for Belmont or Murray State when they played they both deserved to be in. I knew that the only chance to have both in was for Murray State to win and it worked out great. So glad to see both teams in there.
I am a big Murray fan, but i am very proud of Belmont
 

jimisize1

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Kevin McClain balled out tonight. I’m sure he has no problem being Windler’s wingman.
I went to both games in Dayton tonight. MARCH MADNESS IS HERE FOLKS! 2 great games to kickoff the tourney.