Baseline human principle question

[SDTiger9]

Why do people evaluate the substance of a topic based on the person providing it instead of the substance stand alone?

- I understand people do this for perceived advantage or shutting down a topic they don’t like. It’s incredibly juvenile and it doesn’t last but I understand it.

- But even when it’s to their own benefit if it’s perceived to hurt any one person of their support group, they’ll write it off.

We can talk a gazillion issues but the most glaring one is Epstein Files because of the unanimous support we have, even ON PAPER.

Epstein has gone from a 100% release the files in Congress LEGALLY. To most of America, to mostly crickets.

Are we that pathetic of a nation that every law is negotiable? Why do we even bother to have them? Any of them? What is it about human conditioning to toss away clear cases of pedophilia and massive financial corruption? How do people face their own children on these topics?

And then when a cross section of political commentators from Shawn Ryan, Tucker, Pod Save America Bros, Piers Morgan, Megyn Kelly, Cenk Uygur state the same position on one topic(Epstein) yet have massively diverse opinions on others, people blow all of them off?

I say this with respect. Are people functionally incapable of wanting proper government just so they can ***** and get ripped off constantly?

What is the goal here? Because the inly thing it breeds is a collapse of values and structure of law. We even have 50 Republicans supporting the ability to shut down automobiles on the road. Let’s even assume this is an altruistic good thing. So you want your civil liberties taken away at any point while on the road? While your fleeing? Going to work? To the hospital? With your children? You want the government at the controls of your vehicle?

The increased support of the surveillance state coupled with evasion of law and people simply are ok with this. What am I missing?

 

[firegiver]

Some people, to this day, still believe the idea that people hate Americans because of our freedom. Think about how stupid of a statement that is, and think about how many Americans believed that enough to waste trillions on forever wars.

Americans are getting dumb and overly propagandized. Social media is making this worse by the day. Power structures, mostly corporate and other nations, are abusing the wealth of America and stealing our attention on bs. This is because of the centralization of media. Never in our history have so few had so much, and they are determined to have us all captives in a system they create.

 

[FLaw47]

Why do people evaluate the substance of a topic based on the person providing it instead of the substance stand alone?

I'm having difficulty following the rest of the post but I will respond with this.

Sometimes people have a rightly earned reputation as bad faith actors. That doesn't mean they can't have good points but it's reasonable to approach anything they say with some caution.

As an example, there's a certain person who is elected to a very high office. In the past month, there have been two news stories about that person having done something that I like. I said "huh, well that's a surprise that they'd do this good thing but credit where it's due I suppose". Then I read the articles and they hadn't done the good thing; the previous guy did. What the current guy did is have an announcement of some trivial change so that they could claim credit.

So like, is that a person I should just take at their word? Or is it reasonable for me to be suspicious of what they're saying, even if it sounds good on the surface?

 

[Rastafarian]

Why do people evaluate the substance of a topic based on the person providing it instead of the substance stand alone?

- I understand people do this for perceived advantage or shutting down a topic they don’t like. It’s incredibly juvenile and it doesn’t last but I understand it.

- But even when it’s to their own benefit if it’s perceived to hurt any one person of their support group, they’ll write it off.

We can talk a gazillion issues but the most glaring one is Epstein Files because of the unanimous support we have, even ON PAPER.

Epstein has gone from a 100% release the files in Congress LEGALLY. To most of America, to mostly crickets.

Are we that pathetic of a nation that every law is negotiable? Why do we even bother to have them? Any of them? What is it about human conditioning to toss away clear cases of pedophilia and massive financial corruption? How do people face their own children on these topics?

And then when a cross section of political commentators from Shawn Ryan, Tucker, Pod Save America Bros, Piers Morgan, Megyn Kelly, Cenk Uygur state the same position on one topic(Epstein) yet have massively diverse opinions on others, people blow all of them off?

I say this with respect. Are people functionally incapable of wanting proper government just so they can ***** and get ripped off constantly?

What is the goal here? Because the inly thing it breeds is a collapse of values and structure of law. We even have 50 Republicans supporting the ability to shut down automobiles on the road. Let’s even assume this is an altruistic good thing. So you want your civil liberties taken away at any point while on the road? While your fleeing? Going to work? To the hospital? With your children? You want the government at the controls of your vehicle?

The increased support of the surveillance state coupled with evasion of law and people simply are ok with this. What am I missing?

It’s shocking to me how so many people are just willing to forget about Epstein.

My only conclusion is that the propaganda from oligarchs and enemies of the state is manipulating their minds. We have had a few things that have caused society to become less informed and more manipulated.

First is citizens united. That unleashed billions into our political campaigns and created incentives for business to buy off politicians for financial gain. Essentially it put our government up for sale.

The passing of section 230. When written, it was appropriate. But now it needs to be amended. Social media needs to be accountable for allowing itself to be weaponized as a propaganda machine.

AI enabled mass production of misinformation and nearly indistinguishable deep fakes. A single person can create armies of bots acting as real people pushing out misinformation.

The final straw that broke the camels back was this admin and Brendan Carr’s reign over the FCC. Weaponizing a regulatory agency to punish those who speak negatively about pedo protector. Social media companies knew they no longer needed to monitor content, so now they have become the wild Wild West.

They have finally convinced a large portion of America to no longer believe what you see.

 

[Jfcarter3]

~ 65% of Americans think they are above average intelligence.

 

[SDTiger9]

I'm having difficulty following the rest of the post but I will respond with this.

Sometimes people have a rightly earned reputation as bad faith actors. That doesn't mean they can't have good points but it's reasonable to approach anything they say with some caution.

As an example, there's a certain person who is elected to a very high office. In the past month, there have been two news stories about that person having done something that I like. I said "huh, well that's a surprise that they'd do this good thing but credit where it's due I suppose". Then I read the articles and they hadn't done the good thing; the previous guy did. What the current guy did is have an announcement of some trivial change so that they could claim credit.

So like, is that a person I should just take at their word? Or is it reasonable for me to be suspicious of what they're saying, even if it sounds good on the surface?

The point is…… it’s fvckin irrelevant who or where it comes from. It’s the thing itself, its the ongoing support and value to society. Joe Biden, George Bush, Bill Clinton, Trump can all have good ideas. They mean **** if they are continued and executed. The taking credit is the most juvenile behavior. I’m surprised people aren’t attributing the Patriots Super Bowl run last year to Tom Brady because of his 17 year success. “Obamacare” roots were framed by the Heritage Foundation which of course they’ll deny. I get “politics” which are demented and sad but people feast on this nonsense of Us vs Them when it’s Them vs All of Us.

Does anyone know Dr. Frederick Banting, Charles Best? I bet not many. These guys invented insulin and gave the solution to world for $1. I bet there are people mocking them right now. Today, there would be lawsuits by many douchebags to somehow steal the patent to profit off of it. And if it was a Dem or a Pub, 50% would cheer for it……. This is the kind of **** I’m talking about. How does this benefit your circumstances? Why do people continually fall for this nonsense?

If the Dem or Pub parties are so great, why can’t they remain in power? Because they FAIL, LIE, STEAL, COME UP SHORT REPEATEDLY and people still defend them. It’s so bizarre.

 

[FLaw47]

The point is…… it’s fvckin irrelevant who or where it comes from. It’s the thing itself, its the ongoing support and value to society. Joe Biden, George Bush, Bill Clinton, Trump can all have good ideas. They mean **** if they are continued and executed. The taking credit is the most juvenile behavior. I’m surprised people aren’t attributing the Patriots Super Bowl run last year to Tom Brady because of his 17 year success. “Obamacare” roots were framed by the Heritage Foundation which of course they’ll deny. I get “politics” which are demented and sad but people feast on this nonsense of Us vs Them when it’s Them vs All of Us.

Does anyone know Dr. Frederick Banting, Charles Best? I bet not many. These guys invented insulin and gave the solution to world for $1. I bet there are people mocking them right now. Today, there would be lawsuits by many douchebags to somehow steal the patent to profit off of it. And if it was a Dem or a Pub, 50% would cheer for it……. This is the kind of **** I’m talking about. How does this benefit your circumstances? Why do people continually fall for this nonsense?

If the Dem or Pub parties are so great, why can’t they remain in power? Because they FAIL, LIE, STEAL, COME UP SHORT REPEATEDLY and people still defend them. It’s so bizarre.

Ok, fair enough. What's something that you think I (or someone like me) is disregarding incorrectly because of who it's coming from?

 

[SDTiger9]

It’s shocking to me how so many people are just willing to forget about Epstein.

My only conclusion is that the propaganda from oligarchs and enemies of the state is manipulating their minds. We have had a few things that have caused society to become less informed and more manipulated.

First is citizens united. That unleashed billions into our political campaigns and created incentives for business to buy off politicians for financial gain. Essentially it put our government up for sale.

The passing of section 230. When written, it was appropriate. But now it needs to be amended. Social media needs to be accountable for allowing itself to be weaponized as a propaganda machine.

AI enabled mass production of misinformation and nearly indistinguishable deep fakes. A single person can create armies of bots acting as real people pushing out misinformation.

The final straw that broke the camels back was this admin and Brendan Carr’s reign over the FCC. Weaponizing a regulatory agency to punish those who speak negatively about pedo protector. Social media companies knew they no longer needed to monitor content, so now they have become the wild Wild West.

They have finally convinced a large portion of America to no longer believe what you see.

“They have finally convinced a large portion of America to no longer believe what you see.”

Is it that or people just willfully lie to themselves?

I have a foundational belief that Santa Claus is the root of our problems. (Don’t lose your minds people, I love the idea of Santa but he has a cost.)

To some massive degree, a global population agrees to play a psyop on young people for the joy of Christmas morning. Then, 2 things happen:

1. Around 6-9 years old, all children know it’s BS and understand mom and dad are playing an intentional positive prank on them. Goodish.

2. If my own parents and an entire globe who have been telling me about the birth of Jesus Christ, WTF is this Santa Claus nonsense? Why does he even apply? Why conflate the 2? The truth should be enough.

It lays the minimal foundation of skepticism and bleeds into cynicism depending upon the individual. It teaches everyone that it’s OK to lie even with the best intentions. And that…… is a very never ending slippery slope.

 

[SDTiger9]

Ok, fair enough. What's something that you think I (or someone like me) is disregarding incorrectly because of who it's coming from?

My comment wasn’t direct at you. It’s directed at the loyalty of political factions when they aren’t loyal to their own. You’re viewed as a threat if you even raise a dissenting opinion.

Look at this chart. Great companies throughout our history yet all of them have risen and fallen. Meanwhile…… the steady hand of political failure remains. The 2 pronged government working together to keep everyone else out. People willing to DIE for an or 🫏 . It’s mathematical perversion and anti American.

 

[baltimorened]

It’s shocking to me how so many people are just willing to forget about Epstein.

My only conclusion is that the propaganda from oligarchs and enemies of the state is manipulating their minds. We have had a few things that have caused society to become less informed and more manipulated.

First is citizens united. That unleashed billions into our political campaigns and created incentives for business to buy off politicians for financial gain. Essentially it put our government up for sale.

The passing of section 230. When written, it was appropriate. But now it needs to be amended. Social media needs to be accountable for allowing itself to be weaponized as a propaganda machine.

AI enabled mass production of misinformation and nearly indistinguishable deep fakes. A single person can create armies of bots acting as real people pushing out misinformation.

The final straw that broke the camels back was this admin and Brendan Carr’s reign over the FCC. Weaponizing a regulatory agency to punish those who speak negatively about pedo protector. Social media companies knew they no longer needed to monitor content, so now they have become the wild Wild West.

They have finally convinced a large portion of America to no longer believe what you see.

have people forgotten about Epstein? I'm not sure where exactly you want to go. He's dead, his accomplice is in jail, victims - at least some - have been paid, files have been released...

Now, I'll agree that where evidence shows a crime has been committed there should be prosecutions, but at least from what has been published, there hasn't been much evidence presented...lots of innuendos, accusations, but limited evidence. There's no crime in being a friend of Epstein or being named in the files.

So we've had 2 administrations

Why do people evaluate the substance of a topic based on the person providing it instead of the substance stand alone?

- I understand people do this for perceived advantage or shutting down a topic they don’t like. It’s incredibly juvenile and it doesn’t last but I understand it.

- But even when it’s to their own benefit if it’s perceived to hurt any one person of their support group, they’ll write it off.

We can talk a gazillion issues but the most glaring one is Epstein Files because of the unanimous support we have, even ON PAPER.

Epstein has gone from a 100% release the files in Congress LEGALLY. To most of America, to mostly crickets.

Are we that pathetic of a nation that every law is negotiable? Why do we even bother to have them? Any of them? What is it about human conditioning to toss away clear cases of pedophilia and massive financial corruption? How do people face their own children on these topics?

And then when a cross section of political commentators from Shawn Ryan, Tucker, Pod Save America Bros, Piers Morgan, Megyn Kelly, Cenk Uygur state the same position on one topic(Epstein) yet have massively diverse opinions on others, people blow all of them off?

I say this with respect. Are people functionally incapable of wanting proper government just so they can ***** and get ripped off constantly?

What is the goal here? Because the inly thing it breeds is a collapse of values and structure of law. We even have 50 Republicans supporting the ability to shut down automobiles on the road. Let’s even assume this is an altruistic good thing. So you want your civil liberties taken away at any point while on the road? While your fleeing? Going to work? To the hospital? With your children? You want the government at the controls of your vehicle?

The increased support of the surveillance state coupled with evasion of law and people simply are ok with this. What am I missing?

of course we've become a nation where every law is negotiable...just look at immigration....parts of our citizenry is up in arms because Trump wants to enforce the immigration laws.

Fraud laws, we defend people who defraud the country or release the fraudsters with limited consequences. and somehow we overlook the actions or lack of actions of those responsible for execution of the laws.

Don't forget the federal government deciding not to enforce marijuana laws.

And, to be clear, this is not a democrat or republican issue. Both do it with the rationalization that we can't enforce all the laws....

 

[Aardvark86]

“They have finally convinced a large portion of America to no longer believe what you see.”

Is it that or people just willfully lie to themselves?

I have a foundational belief that Santa Claus is the root of our problems. (Don’t lose your minds people, I love the idea of Santa but he has a cost.)

To some massive degree, a global population agrees to play a psyop on young people for the joy of Christmas morning. Then, 2 things happen:

1. Around 6-9 years old, all children know it’s BS and understand mom and dad are playing an intentional positive prank on them. Goodish.

2. If my own parents and an entire globe who have been telling me about the birth of Jesus Christ, WTF is this Santa Claus nonsense? Why does he even apply? Why conflate the 2? The truth should be enough.

It lays the minimal foundation of skepticism and bleeds into cynicism depending upon the individual. It teaches everyone that it’s OK to lie even with the best intentions. And that…… is a very never ending slippery slope.

Santa is no different from any other ritual, and rituals of all types are, have been, and will be pervasive in human existence for time immemorial. Essentially, they are not magic, but scratch the surface and they serve to remind of us of underlying things that actually are important. Perhaps you need to simply think of Santa in that way rather than evaluating him as a 'scientific' principle.

 

[FLaw47]

My comment wasn’t direct at you per se. It’s directed at the loyalty of political factions when they aren’t loyal to their own. You’re viewed as a threat if you even raise a dissenting opinion.

Look at this chart. Great companies throughout our history yet all of them have risen and fallen. Meanwhile…… the steady hand of political failure remains. The 2 pronged government working together to keep everyone else out. People willing to DIE for an or 🫏 . It’s mathematical perversion and anti American.

I'm not saying you're wrong in that it doesn't happen nor am I saying that you were specifically targeting me. It's just easier to have a conversation where my views are challenged rather than us mutually discussing the merits of a 3rd person's views.

To egg you on little bit, here's two things about me:

• I support extremely few GOP policy positions and would greet all GOP priorities with suspicion (though not outright dismissal)
• I believe I do this not because of a blind allegiance to the Democratic party or an unfair view of the GOP, it's because the GOP has not demonstrated anything worthwhile for my values.

But I could see how you could take me and think that I'm being one of those people you're talking about (and maybe even be right!).

 

[TequilasForLoss]

not sure where OP has been recently but i’ve heard plenty of pundits saying things like “even Carlson and MTG know this is effed up.” just because a clock with a bad battery is right for a moment twice a day doesn’t mean the battery isn’t leaking acid the whole time.

 

[SDTiger9]

Santa is no different from any other ritual, and rituals of all types are, have been, and will be pervasive in human existence for time immemorial. Essentially, they are not magic, but scratch the surface and they serve to remind of us of underlying things that actually are important. Perhaps you need to simply think of Santa in that way rather than evaluating him as a 'scientific' principle.

But Christmas is at least standalone. You believe in Jesus Christ or not.

Tossing in some random St Nicholas centuries later makes ZERO sense. It belittles Jesus even though it was possibly well intended. It’s diminishing the value of Christianity.

I’m personally sound in Santa BUT SANTA ISNT THE POINT. Santa lays the foundation for manipulation where there is no reason to do so. Jesus Christ is enough.

I’m not JUDGING like you think I am, I’m EVALUATING logical human thought processes on why the man in the red suit is a problem.

 

[FLaw47]

But Christmas is at least standalone. You believe in Jesus Christ or not.

Tossing in some random St Nicholas centuries later makes ZERO sense. It belittles Jesus even though it was possibly well intended. It’s diminishing the value of Christianity.

I’m personally sound in Santa BUT SANTA ISNT THE POINT. Santa lays the foundation for manipulation where there is no reason to do so. Jesus Christ is enough.

I’m not JUDGING like you think I am, I’m EVALUATING logical human thought processes on why the man in the red suit is a problem.

Counterpoint:
How can we be confident that Santa Clause isn't real and we all help facilitate "the lie" because of its Will for us to do so? I mean when you think about it that way, there's much stronger evidence for a supernatural Santa than a Christian God - billions of people earnestly act on the Santa thing.

 

[SDTiger9]

not sure where OP has been recently but i’ve heard plenty of pundits saying things like “even Carlson and MTG know this is effed up.” just because a clock with a bad battery is right for a moment twice a day doesn’t mean the battery isn’t leaking acid the whole time.

Again… who fvckin cares about Tucker or MTG? Are their ideas valuable or not?

We have a precursor problem.

Don’t care if it comes from Klobuchar, AOC, MTG, Dali Lama, King Charles, Bob Barker or Judge Schmails. Every one of these people or characters has something of value. Could be small, could be big. But to disregard the value because of WHO they are is ignorance.

Spay/neuter your pet? It’s attributed to Bob Barker because he said it every day for 25+ years on the Price is Right. Bob could have been found to be a 10 time serial killer. Doesn’t matter. Does keeping the pet population down a good or bad thing for society? It’s a good policy to have!! As for his other fake crimes, throw him in jail.

 

[Aardvark86]

But Christmas is at least standalone. You believe in Jesus Christ or not.

Tossing in some random St Nicholas centuries later makes ZERO sense. It belittles Jesus even though it was possibly well intended. It’s diminishing the value of Christianity.

I’m personally sound in Santa BUT SANTA ISNT THE POINT. Santa lays the foundation for manipulation where there is no reason to do so. Jesus Christ is enough.

I’m not JUDGING like you think I am, I’m EVALUATING logical human thought processes on why the man in the red suit is a problem.

I don't think you're judging at all, but I am wondering what the deal is with all of the capitalization.

Of Christ is enough, but even Christ taught in parables, given that our human capacity to understand has its limits. But that's no reason to lapse into the whole marxist class dialectic thingy.

 

[SDTiger9]

Counterpoint:
How can we be confident that Santa Clause isn't real and we all help facilitate "the lie" because of its Will for us to do so? I mean when you think about it that way, there's much stronger evidence for a supernatural Santa than a Christian God - billions of people earnestly act on the Santa thing.

You are justifying my point. Jesus is enough of a debate.

Leaning further into Santa only widens the gap.

 

[SDTiger9]

But that's no reason to lapse into the whole marxist class dialectic thingy.

Frightening. That’s what I’m trying to avoid.
The more acceptance of lies from the top, the more desperate society becomes. The more control is given to governments.

Congrats.

 

[TequilasForLoss]

Again… who fvckin cares about Tucker or MTG? Are their ideas valuable or not?

We have a precursor problem.

Don’t care if it comes from Klobuchar, AOC, MTG, Dali Lama, King Charles, Bob Barker or Judge Schmails. Every one of these people or characters has something of value. Could be small, could be big. But to disregard the value because of WHO they are is ignorance.

Spay/neuter your pet? It’s attributed to Bob Barker because he said it every day for 25+ years on the Price is Right. Bob could have been found to be a 10 time serial killer. Doesn’t matter. Does keeping the pet population down a good or bad thing for society? It’s a good policy to have!! As for his other fake crimes, throw him in jail.

i think you are letting your perception create a misperception of my remark.

to put it another way: i’m saying it is absolutely fair to give an individual credit for one thing done right even if they have done many things wrong. i’m also saying one good apple in their head doesn’t cure the spoiled bushel of their brain.

i’ll also add that in a world that’s increasingly driven by “personal brand,” it sure seems like a lot of people are indeed quick to disregard the whole of who someone is, and instead let one thing (or even a false perception) about somebody take over their judgment of that person. how do people keep voting for jim jordan just because he’s republican (the one thing) despite many people with knowledge of the situation saying he didn’t stop sexual abuse at TOSU? why do people think dabo swinney is a bad for not wanting players to be paid by universities (one thing) when for years pre-NIL he went out of his way in many ways to provide for players in any way the rules allowed?

people amaze me every day that they’d rather defend one knee-jerk opinion even after being presented with a stack of evidence to the contrary.

 

[Rastafarian]

have people forgotten about Epstein? I'm not sure where exactly you want to go. He's dead, his accomplice is in jail, victims - at least some - have been paid, files have been released...

Now, I'll agree that where evidence shows a crime has been committed there should be prosecutions, but at least from what has been published, there hasn't been much evidence presented...lots of innuendos, accusations, but limited evidence. There's no crime in being a friend of Epstein or being named in the files.

So we've had 2 administrations

of course we've become a nation where every law is negotiable...just look at immigration....parts of our citizenry is up in arms because Trump wants to enforce the immigration laws.

Fraud laws, we defend people who defraud the country or release the fraudsters with limited consequences. and somehow we overlook the actions or lack of actions of those responsible for execution of the laws.

Don't forget the federal government deciding not to enforce marijuana laws.

And, to be clear, this is not a democrat or republican issue. Both do it with the rationalization that we can't enforce all the laws....

Ned, you are an idiot and you always find a way to excuse bad behavior. The claims against Epstein and his accomplices have not been investigated. If you followed even 5% of this case you would understand that.

 

[SDTiger9]

i’m saying it is absolutely fair to give an individual credit for one thing done right even if they have done many things wrong. i’m also saying one good apple in their head doesn’t cure the spoiled bushel of their brain.

i’ll also add that in a world that’s increasingly driven by “personal brand,”

The problem is the starting point. The notion that we start in some mythical arena of ONLY 2 political points of view is absurd. It destroys our ability to have proper dialogue.

It’s like if tried to keep the sciences contained. There’s just Biology and Physics.

“Well….. this biology keeps expanding, we should create microbiology”
NO!!! Blasphemy. It must only be biology, 2 categories is enough.

“What about the outerspace, we could call it astronomy.”
No!!! That’s just physics up there.

Associating the remark with the source is just terrible. People deserve their journey, EVEN IF THEY ARE PAID FOR IT. Why? It’s the idea that counts no matter where it comes from.

George Lucas has created like 25% of the Star Wars universe. He’s licensed and sold off his idea to others. Some has been by him and others, and great by him and others.
We don’t toss out Star Wars forever because Jar Jar Binks era sucked ***. You have to let them evolve.

Carlson, MTG, Ryan, Uygur, Drop Site News are coming to the same conclusion. Why? They are free.

Til 2015 - largely just MSM
2015 - 2022 - largely MSM, new independent online
2022 - legacy MSM turned into independent media, independent online media, MSM

If you listen to Jon Stewart, Piers Morgan, Psaki, Tucker, Megyn, Cuomo, online they are different from their MSM personas. Some of them know they were captured before and some didn’t know any better. They are now free to say what they please.

And you are correct about BRAND. It’s so damaging because it precludes virtue. It’s a form of self censorship. But people do it all the time. Seeking refuge in a label as a form of protection.

 

[baltimorened]

Ned, you are an idiot and you always find a way to excuse bad behavior. The claims against Epstein and his accomplices have not been investigated. If you followed even 5% of this case you would understand that.

are you sure? Seems as if the accusations against trump were investigated..or at least that's what's been reported. Accusations against dershowitz were investigated and accuser recanated. There's usually something going on that all of us aren't aware of.

We've had two administrations in charge of DoJ..we have 212 democrat and a similar number of republicans, each trying to get dirt on the other party members and yet now, what 10,12 years after we're still debating the same things. The files, no matter what you think about the process, have been released and yet no indictments.Is the entire justice process so corrupt that no one will charge anyone?

I know for a lot of folks, the Epstein issue is the number one political issue. It's not for me. I'm much more interested in healthcare, affordability, immigration reform, deficits and debt etc. And apparently our leadership is more concerned about Epstein, the ballroom, transgenders.

 

[Rastafarian]

are you sure? Seems as if the accusations against trump were investigated..or at least that's what's been reported. Accusations against dershowitz were investigated and accuser recanated. There's usually something going on that all of us aren't aware of.

We've had two administrations in charge of DoJ..we have 212 democrat and a similar number of republicans, each trying to get dirt on the other party members and yet now, what 10,12 years after we're still debating the same things. The files, no matter what you think about the process, have been released and yet no indictments.Is the entire justice process so corrupt that no one will charge anyone?

I know for a lot of folks, the Epstein issue is the number one political issue. It's not for me. I'm much more interested in healthcare, affordability, immigration reform, deficits and debt etc. And apparently our leadership is more concerned about Epstein, the ballroom, transgenders.

Yes I’m sure, and no you are not right.

And it doesn’t always have to be a dem vs rep thing. How about dropping the labels and doing what’s right?

but good to know you care more about immigration reform, spending, and healthcare than children being raped and trafficked.

 

[baltimorened]

Yes I’m sure, and no you are not right.

And it doesn’t always have to be a dem vs rep thing. How about dropping the labels and doing what’s right?

but good to know you care more about immigration reform, spending, and healthcare than children being raped and trafficked.

what am I not right about? serious question.

Let's see, you've been concerned about this for, what, 10 years? No indictments, no charges, no convictions...just accusations that have not led to any indictments, charges or convictions...so, another serious question...why? were/are both administrations corrupt?

Are you as concerned about the migrants being raped and trafficked? and, that might not be a fair question.

And I'll assume also that you're not concerned about immigration reform, spending, and healthcare.