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wtw2400

Redshirt
Nov 11, 2014
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1 month ago I thought msu baseball would be able to get into the NCAA tournament. I figured like usual it was just a slow start. But what I didn't realize was that it wasn't a start. The 13-0 start was all do to lack of competition with Arizona being the only decent team. This is the worst baseball season before Polk came to Starkville and could go even beyond that. 2 years ago we were in the CWS. Now we are dead last in the SEC. Cohen has never won a series against LSU. Our last series win against Ole Miss was in 2012. Ole miss won the series when we broke the attendance record at SBW 2014. We were swept on SBW 2015. Ever since we made the finals into the CWS this program has gone downhill. UCLA embarssed us and beat us 8-0 one game in the finals. We lost our last 6 games in terrible ways. Ole Miss swept us in all 4 games. They beat us 11-1 and we had a 7-2 lead in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs and they still beat us. Today's game didn't count but we blew a 2-0 lead in the bottom of the 9th(which seems minor to the ole miss fiasco but its sad when that is minor).

Base running coaching has been bad and pathetic. I started to notice this after the 1st LSU game when Sprull tripped heading home which would have won the series for msu ultimately against LSU. But that mad me think why would he trip going to home UNLESS a base running coach told him to come back to 3rd while he was heading home. And for the rest of the season in every game I noticed terrible base running coaching. And I mean every one of the last 8 game that I listneded,watched because I pull for msu I regard less of how bad or how good we are. With that being said base running coaching cost us on a lot of games. I noticed Mathew Britton was a base running coach once. What are we paying assistants for if we are using players as base running coaches?

As @mssstatebaseball pointed out on his blog MSU should have recruited better this season. He explains it better than I would here: http://msstatebaseball1.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-2015-season-part-1-post-cws-fail.html?m=1
For those of you true msu baseball fans I highly reccomwnd you read all of his postseason analysis because he is a true msu bulldog fan who enjoys baseball through the worst or the best of msu. And he has several really good articles explaining this season and the future.

We are supposed to have another good recruiting class but perfect game ranked our recruiting class in 2014 #2 and I don't see immediate result like LSU has. With that being said I'm not buying the whole recruiting will save us next year. Secondly msstatebaseball also reminded me that we are supposed to play in dodger stadium with UCLA and USC and host Oregon for non concfeence in 2016. If either of those games don't pan out because we pull out Cohen does not need to be our coach. As you saw this year with RPI we can't rely on hosting every non conference game to get into the NCAA(of course not winning sec series also hurts RPI too). Pulling out of Houston was just stupid and whoever thought that was a good idea needs to know how dumb that was.

This season could not have come at a worse time. The sec network watching our ever move, a new stadium that needs to happen planning on expanding, and msu having a really good athletic year overall. We are Mississippi state. Watching the thunder and lightning documentary this season showed me how great we once were. No I was not around for 1985. But if that documentary is the highlight of our season you know we are heading in the wrong direction. We should never finish last place in the sec. Even the old ad larry who we never progressed with focused on baseball. And he thinks we can't compete with everyone in any sport but stricklin proves him wrong again. We should always make the sec tournament in this format. You have to be the bottom 2 teams in the sec not to make it. Its not like a few years ago when only 2/3 of the sec made it. Its just embarssing. FSU seems to have no problem making a regional every year. In fact most years they host. We should not digress to not making a regional 2 years after the CWS. I know about UCLA last year but they will be a national seed this year something msu has never been.

We haven't won the divison. We haven't won the regular season in ages. Won one sec torunament. Won 2 regionals. Hosted once. One CWS in 7 years. Cohen has a record as equal or worse to his first two seasons. 5 years later... 10 days ago I would have said he should get another year. I wrote a fan post about a month ago saying baseball was improving which was ultimately wrong. But the way we have lost and the above statements I conclude that we need someone new. like rick ray in basketball Cohen did worse this year than his first season at msu. This team is breaking all kinds or records except they arent good ones. We cannot say recruiting is the only reason to keep a coach. The game today was icing on the cake to me that its time for a change.

I don't know many canadites for baseball. We can probably hire anyone we ant except for about 10 guys. I'm sure the UCLA coach would come because their stadium is bad. Dallas baptist looks good right now. Would the Louisville coach leave. Do we want the Virginia coach? Those are just a couple off the top of my head maybe you can come up with some since I'm not as familiar with baseball canadites as basketball or football.

I'm not a Cohen loyalist or a anti Cohen person. I am a Mississippi state fan who wants the best for Mississippi state and I believe it is best to go in a different direction. Some may oppose me and that is fine but that is why I wrote the reasons above on why I think we should move forward. I will always remember the good time like with any coach because I like Cohen. He gave his all for msu and took us to somewhere we had never been in the CWS finals. But at last we need to move on I feel for the betterment and excite of msu baseball. But it is ultimately stricklins decsicion and honestly I think it is 50-50. The question I'm sure he is asking is what we are all asking. Is one CWS appearance in 7 years good enough to keep him? My answer is no with the last place finish we had this year and the fact that our season ended 2 days before the regular season ended. But he could say yes and it would be CWS or bust in my opinion. I know that a lot of luck is involved in that but don't finish last place and win more than 1 sec series and you won't have that problem. I won't disagree with stricklins decesion either way because if he remains I feel it means that there is no one better to replace an experienced head coach like cohen. We don't need to fire a coach if we aren't prepared the stansbury fiasco says it all. So waiting another year wouldn't be the end of the world because that would allow us to find canadites if we don't find one. But we do have the entire postseason if we do choose to head in that direction so it would be best if a change is made in this off season.

I wrote this because I was wrong about the baseball team and I think there should be a change. That's all I'll say. Thoughts?
 

57stratdawg

Heisman
Dec 1, 2004
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Why the **** do we play UCLA or USC in LA, but on a neutral field? Play them on their campus so it counts as a true road game in our RPI.
 

tatedog

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Mar 28, 2015
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Why the **** do we play UCLA or USC in LA, but on a neutral field? Play them on their campus so it counts as a true road game in our RPI.

Because we are bad at scheduling for RPI, just like we are pretty bad at everything else that leads to attaining a good RPI.
 

Bulldogg31

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Dec 9, 2013
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You know, there's probably a career opportunity out there for someone to serve as an RPI consultant to schools. Sort of moneyball for scheduling. Works for all sports, too, I would guess. Seems like AD's are all over the place in their approach to scheduling.
 

8dog

All-American
Feb 23, 2008
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I will do it for free right now:

1 dont schedule the swac or any other team with a solid history of abysmal records like e illinois

2. Dont play 20 straight home games. Dont play neutral games other than the 2 at tmark park. Find a team you think you can beat and play them there. Try to find 6-7 of those. Like samford. Or uab. Or troy

3. Try to stay inside the top 125. Some will be misses but some will be teams that land in the top 50-75.

And yes i realize none of that would have mattered this year.
 

philduckworth

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Feb 20, 2015
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Yeah, it's not rocket science, it's just common sense. To me, the schedule this year just provides more insight into Cohen's decision making.
 

Lawdawg.sixpack

All-Conference
Jul 22, 2012
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Spruill tripped because he stepped on third with his inside foot, not his outside foot. He was being sent.

Not that that negates any of your other points...
 

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
61,339
33,065
113
It's not complicated at all. I'd go with a cutoff of #150 RPI for #3, but that's a minor tweak. In either case, the thing is, a good RPI schedule doesn't have to be much tougher or really much different than the one we played. We could change maybe 6-8 games out of 26 on our current OOC schedule and have a very good RPI schedule. And most of those changes could get substituting 100-150 RPI teams for 200+ RPI teams.
 

philduckworth

Redshirt
Feb 20, 2015
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Yeah, Dallas Baptist is the no. 1 RPI team in the country b/c they have 19 road wins. Missouri State is 8 or 9 b/c they have 18 road wins. 25 home games in a row is ridiculous. Our schedule could be easily manipulated by just a few teams on the road.
 

dawgphd

Sophomore
May 16, 2008
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Interesting thing is even with our cupcake non conference our SOS is currently 28 on Warren Nolan (9th in the SEC).

Good lord, knowing who we played, just how bad must have the other 5 non conference schedules below us been?
 
Feb 23, 2008
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He will be back and the excuses are already mounting for 2016. We will be young and we will lose a few signees to MLB. I already see that coming as sad as it sounds for a coach who will be in year 9. Lack of competition is a trend for Cohen's clubs early on every year. 20 straight home games as well to start a season. They build a nice cushion, get a ranking, then here comes the collapse once conference competition hits. With 2013 being the exception and even that club only finished a game over .500 in the league. I think it's a gut feeling. An eye test sort of thing with me wanting Cohen gone. I just don't get any warm and fuzzy feeling knowing that he will be back next year.
 

8dog

All-American
Feb 23, 2008
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I posted this two weeks ago but at about that time we had almost an identical record to ole miss and were 10 spots back of them in sos. Yet we were 57 spots back in rpi

Etheridge had a column this week where someone was quoted as saying teams will quit olaying neutral games and "its all about the road"
 

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
61,339
33,065
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The UCLA and USC games will be at their home stadiums. Only the Sunday game will be at Dodger Stadium. At least that was the format for the series this year.
 
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