Baseball thoughts, notes, and observations

EminenceBunt

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First and foremost, the stadium is even better than I could've imagined. Every detail, perfect. If you haven't laid eyes on it, you need to, pictures do not serve it justice.

Starting Rotation-

The numbers are just silly at this early point in the season. Let's look at some highlights.

PlayerGSIPERABHBBK'sXBHb/avgERA
all 3 starters6325107158503.1401.41
Ethan Small21223940242.1031.50
JT Ginn21224142161.0981.50
Keegan James2912776100.2591.12
Ginn+Small42448082403.1001.50

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I know it's early and the sample size is small, but geez, can't remember ever having a starting rotation that looks this complete, especially this early in the season. Ginn and Small have struck out 40 batters in 80 at bats, while only walking 2. Ethan Small has struck out 24 opponents in 39 at bats, without walking anyone. Small is pitching out of his mind thus far, JT Ginn is as advertised and more. He looks like a senior out there, can't imagine what he will look like in 2 years. I think him coming to school will turn out to be the right decision for him, he has a chance to be a top 5 pick when he becomes eligible again. Keegan James is going to be one of the better Sunday guys in the SEC, he is hittable, and can't afford to walk guys at the rate he has in the first 2 starts, but overall he is gonna give us a chance to win almost every Sunday. I think we can count on 18 to 20 innings pitched per weekend from our starters, which leaves 7 to 9 innings available for our bullpen, and we have a lot of more than capable guys to choose from.


The Bullpen-

Our pen has me just as excited as our starting rotation. This is the way I see our bullpen breaking down as of now. I am not including Riley Self right now, because I don't know what to do with him. His cutter has pulled a 180, going from unhittable, to BP. I hope Foxhall can help him figure it out but right now he is a liability. In his 9 AB against, he has given up 4 hits without striking out any. I hope he figures it out because he could make a great bullpen elite. Anyway:

Inning Eaters-

PlayerAppIPERABHBBK'sXBHb/avgERA
all 3 players815.13591171700.1861.79
Cole Gordon35.00172480.1180.00
Jared Liebelt33.20131240.0770.00
Peyton Plumlee26.23298150.2764.05
Gordon+Liebelt68.203036120.1000.00

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-All 3 of these guys could throw 4 innings or more per weekend, if needed. This is huge because it gives our coaches the confidence to pull a starter early if his stuff isn't working. Liebelt has been the surprise of the year, his stuff is filthy and he is throwing strikes. He avoids solid contact and that is what you want from a first guy out of the pen type guy. Cole Gordon is the Cole Gordon of late 2018, and is probably our best and most reliable guy out of the pen, I'm glad he decided to come back this year. Plumlee has looked alright so far, but I think he is still reacclimating to being on the mound. I expect him to get better as the season goes on, and he will be a very reliable mid week guy and Saturday or Sunday reliever.

Lefties-

PlayerAppIPERABHBBK'sXBHb/avgERA
Trysten Barlow33.11133140.2312.70
Jack Eagan23.21122161.1672.45
Barlow+Eagan57.022552101.2002.57

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-This was one of my biggest concerns going into the season but Eagan and Barlow have answered the call and more. In 6.2 IP and 25 bats against, they have only given up 5 hits and 2 ER, while striking out 10 and only walking 2. That's good stuff. Eagan has been a good surprise, all though I know some were expecting him to come in and contribute, but you just never know in College Baseball though.

Strike Out Specialists-

PlayerAppIPERABHBBK'sXBHb/avgERA
All 3 players55.11183391.1671.76
Brandon Smith33.11112051.1822.70
Eric Cerantola11.0030220.0000.00
Spencer Price11.0041120.2500.00

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-These are guys that we could get an inning or two from late in the game, 7th and 8th innings type guys, and they are also guys that can come in when strike outs are needed. Obviously, Cerantola has Friday night potential type stuff, but he is still young, if he can get his control sharpened, he could be another huge piece going forward this year. Ginn and Cerantola will be a deady Friday-Saturday 1-2 punch in 2021. Spencer Price is still rehabbing mentally, but we know what he is capable of, he is similar to Cerantola in that he has the potential to be a huge piece going forward. Brandon Smith looks like a steady guy with a talented arm, he can come in and strike some guys out, and maybe even eat a couple innings, I like this guy.

Closer-

PlayerAppIPERABHBBK'sXBHb/avgERA
Colby White22.0071040.1430.00

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Colby White is the guy I want out there in the 9th to close out the game. I haven't seen many college guys with an arm as powerful as his. This weekend he was throwing his fastball 94-96 while topping out at 97. He has a good offspeed pitch and has shown good command thus far, I'm really pumped about this guy. He has stuff you just don't see often at this level.


The Lineup-

I don't think our lineup has nearly reached it's full potential yet, Rowdy is ice cold at the plate and that won't last forever, got two battles going on at C and 2B and a DH spot to lock down. Once these questions are answered and a lineup solidifies and gels, I think we will have one of the better lineups in the SEC and country.

Outfield-

The outfield is set and everyone knows it. Rowdy is going to get out of this early season sophomore slump, it is just a matter of time. I love having the two switch hitters at the top of the order, and Rowdy will be back up there soon. Their defense has been exceptional too, Rowdy and Mac have made SC Top 10 type catches out there and we all know what Jake can do.

Infield-

1B, 3B, and SS are set with Allen, Foscue and Westburg, respectively. Foscue has really put on some muscle and I think he could be a double digit HR guy. TA will lead the team in RBI and will also probably be a double digit HR guy. Westburg is our hardest hitter, which is evident when looking at the exit Velo charts, he smokes the ball, and is our 3 hole guy. Also on Westburg, I have been impressed with him in the field, wasn't sure about him at SS going into the season but he will be just fine. 2B is still up for grabs between freshman Landon Jordan and JUCO transfer Gunner Halter. This may just be my opinion, but if I were Lemo I'm starting Landon Jardon 3 out 4 games, I think he has more potential and showed that during the fall and spring. He is gonna be a really good one before his career is over, might as well throw him into the fire and get all the freshman out of him early. Also, having Jordan in the lineup will help balance the lineup with respect to lefty-righty balance. Halter will be a good occasional DH, 2B and PH, I just don't love his approach at the plate, but it's still early and this hot take could make me look like an idiot a month down the road.

Catcher and DH-

I think you have to start Hayden Jones in majority of games. His arm is the best we have seen here in a long time. He has a MLB arm, would love to see the pop time on his two throw outs. Jones has been run on twice and thrown both out. Skelton has been run on 5 times and only thrown out 1. That's 4 singles that become doubles, Skelton's arm is a liability. However, Skelton's bat has been impressive, and may finally be showing the potential we were promised. Hayden Jones is a lefty, and has shown that he has plus power potential. I think you put both of these guys in the lineup. Start Hayden Jones 2/3 games, while DHing Skelton and then moving him behind the plate every 3rd game to rest Hayden Jones legs. We have a good pool of DH/PH guys with whichever 2B isn't starting, whichever Catcher isn't starting, Josh Hatcher, Marshall Gilbert, JT Ginn, and Brad Cumbest.


If I were Lemo this would be my starting lineup

1. CF Jake Mangum(S)
2. LF Rowdy Jordan(S)
3. SS Jordan Westburg(R)
4. 1B Tanner Allen(L)
5. RF Elijah MacNamee(R)
6. 3B Justin Foscue(R)
7. C Hayden Jones(L)
8. DH Dustin Skelton(R)
9. 2B Landon Jordan(L)


To sum it all up, this is the most complete team this early in the season at MSU in a long long time. This team could win it all, and in my opinion, is built for tourney play with the depth of our bullpen and strength of our starting rotation. Enjoy the ride.
 

She Mate Me

Heisman
Dec 7, 2008
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Great post. My only quibble is you may be placing too much emphasis on arm strength at catcher and not enough on handling of the pitching staff and blocking of some nasty *** SO pitches from a few of our guys.
 

DoggieDaddy13

All-Conference
Dec 23, 2017
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Thanks, Your Eminence,
Now I really got hard wood and I'm an old damn man. This is good stuff. I do think guys like Rowdy and Self are going to get it together before long. They are just too good. May be pressing too much.
I imagine keeping this team from getting too hyped could become a problem. That first and third game with USM was intense probably good we lost one and won one.
 

o_HuntDawg

All-Conference
Oct 25, 2018
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Agree with a lot of what has been said.. I'll throw in a a few tidbits:

1) I personally like the lineup the way it is set up now. Mangum and Jordan are two similar hitters that can be pitched similar. When they are going good its great. When they aren't it makes for some quick innings which has been an issues early in the year. I actually like Jordan down in the order a lot better and really love Westburg and Allen in the 2-3 spots.

2) Our lineup will be middle of the pack in the SEC and won't be one of the better ones in the country. 7-9 spots are still going to struggle. And minus the top 3 guys in the order we don't have studs. Put it simply this way. If Mac or Foscue were on a top offensive team in the country they'd be hitting 7-8 not 4-5 and thats where we are right now. We are going to be solid offensively, but won't be a top tier SEC team from the offensive side. We were no hit by UAB and probably still would be getting no hit had he not hit a pitch count and we were shut out by southern's ace. Not to mention we only scored in 1 of the first 8 innings of Sundays game. We should be better than what we are, but we won't be top tier or even mentioned in the same breathe as the best teams in the country offensively

3) I wouldn't give up on Halter just yet. Takes some JUCO guys a chance to get their feet wet to figure it out. I personally like the rotation they have going at both C and 2b. I'd keep that going giving those 4-5 players continued chances

4) I disagree that you can count on 18-20 innings from our starters each weekend. We have a freshman and a guy returning from arm surgery as part of our weekend rotation, neither of which have pitched in the SEC before. That number is a little too high for me. Thats getting 6-7 innings from each guy. Very unlikely I'd say


Biggest take away from the weekend for me was the Lefty's out of the pen. I thought that was a big question mark and was good to see them perform they way they did. 2 of those guys added to Self and Gordon and you've got yourself a solid pen.

The starting pitching numbers will come back to earth, we all know that. But Small is the key, if he's able to be a dominant Friday night guy it sets up everything else and takes the pressure off the rest of the staff and you've got to love the way he's thrown it.

All in all a good 2 weeks. Could very easily be 7-0, but could just as easily be 4-3. We'll find out more as we all know in a few weeks.
 
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Offense gonna be fine. We only have one guy who has “punched above his weight class” in Skelton. Mangum and Rowdey are going to hit. Westburg and Allen are studs. Foscue and Mac are very solid. I think Landon Jordan needs to be our second baseman- it will start clicking about midway through the season for him.

Pitching has been pretty damn lights out. Defense has been a pleasant surprise so far.

We good.
 

MSUDC11

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Aug 23, 2012
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Impressive series win but it could’ve easily gone the other way, just like most series between good teams. We probably should’ve won Friday but yesterday we benefited from a sun double in the first and a costly error in the 9th that made up the difference in the final score. I guess what I’m getting at is we will probably lose a series or two that were a lot like this one.

It’s a long season and we play a lot of good teams. That said, I do like what I see from us so far.
 

The Fatboy

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Oct 18, 2005
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Sometimes the ball bounces your way. It could also be said that we won't be hitting balls directly to players as much as we have been either.
 

Xenomorph

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Feb 15, 2007
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10 games in 13 days coming up. The weather forecast for Frisco, TX Saturday when we play Texas Tech is absolutely brutal... then come home to play E.Carolina.

Good test coming for the team.
 
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Impressive series win but it could’ve easily gone the other way, just like most series between good teams. We probably should’ve won Friday but yesterday we benefited from a sun double in the first and a costly error in the 9th that made up the difference in the final score. I guess what I’m getting at is we will probably lose a series or two that were a lot like this one.

It’s a long season and we play a lot of good teams. That said, I do like what I see from us so far.

Meh, we outhit them almost 2:1 on the weekend. We punched out their hitters dang near 40 times in three games and played errorless baseball to their several errors. We had over twice as many extra base hits as them.

We could have lost Sunday, but it was pretty clear who the better team was to anyone watching. Frankly, USM was lucky not to get swept. If we didn’t have some bad luck on a bunch of balls hit in play Friday and Sunday, we also could have run them out of the park.
 

vhdawg

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Sep 29, 2004
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I'd like to applaud you for your successful use of formatting in your post. Well done!
 

Choctaw Dawg

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May 21, 2017
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What we need to remember about Self is that he is not still 100% due to surgery in the offseason. This is evident because the stadium gun has only clocked him throwing 85 which is not good when the cutter he has has no movement on it. I guess the staff has enough confidence in him to be putting him out there but right now he should just be throwing relief in midweek contests to get some action in and recover for SEC play.
 

Mjoelner

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MSUDC11

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What we need to remember about Self is that he is not still 100% due to surgery in the offseason. This is evident because the stadium gun has only clocked him throwing 85 which is not good when the cutter he has has no movement on it. I guess the staff has enough confidence in him to be putting him out there but right now he should just be throwing relief in midweek contests to get some action in and recover for SEC play.

Correct, and don’t forget that he didn’t contribute much for us last year either until May. Pitched in more postseason games than regular season SEC games.
 

57stratdawg

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He's 19 now. Will be 21 before next year's draft. I'm sure the 2 years was an important part of the decision to go to LA or MSU.
 

maroonmania

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Feb 23, 2008
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Meh, we outhit them almost 2:1 on the weekend. We punched out their hitters dang near 40 times in three games and played errorless baseball to their several errors. We had over twice as many extra base hits as them.

We could have lost Sunday, but it was pretty clear who the better team was to anyone watching. Frankly, USM was lucky not to get swept. If we didn’t have some bad luck on a bunch of balls hit in play Friday and Sunday, we also could have run them out of the park.

We had many, many ducks on the pond during the middle innings yesterday where USM pitchers were bailed out with some horrendous strike calls on the outside part of the plate by the home plate umpire. Seemed like everytime we got guys in scoring position with less than 2 outs the umpire expanded the outside park of the strike zone a good 10 inches.
 

maroonmania

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Feb 23, 2008
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Agree with a lot of what has been said.. I'll throw in a a few tidbits:

1) I personally like the lineup the way it is set up now. Mangum and Jordan are two similar hitters that can be pitched similar. When they are going good its great. When they aren't it makes for some quick innings which has been an issues early in the year. I actually like Jordan down in the order a lot better and really love Westburg and Allen in the 2-3 spots.

2) Our lineup will be middle of the pack in the SEC and won't be one of the better ones in the country. 7-9 spots are still going to struggle. And minus the top 3 guys in the order we don't have studs. Put it simply this way. If Mac or Foscue were on a top offensive team in the country they'd be hitting 7-8 not 4-5 and thats where we are right now. We are going to be solid offensively, but won't be a top tier SEC team from the offensive side. We were no hit by UAB and probably still would be getting no hit had he not hit a pitch count and we were shut out by southern's ace. Not to mention we only scored in 1 of the first 8 innings of Sundays game. We should be better than what we are, but we won't be top tier or even mentioned in the same breathe as the best teams in the country offensively

3) I wouldn't give up on Halter just yet. Takes some JUCO guys a chance to get their feet wet to figure it out. I personally like the rotation they have going at both C and 2b. I'd keep that going giving those 4-5 players continued chances

4) I disagree that you can count on 18-20 innings from our starters each weekend. We have a freshman and a guy returning from arm surgery as part of our weekend rotation, neither of which have pitched in the SEC before. That number is a little too high for me. Thats getting 6-7 innings from each guy. Very unlikely I'd say


Biggest take away from the weekend for me was the Lefty's out of the pen. I thought that was a big question mark and was good to see them perform they way they did. 2 of those guys added to Self and Gordon and you've got yourself a solid pen.

The starting pitching numbers will come back to earth, we all know that. But Small is the key, if he's able to be a dominant Friday night guy it sets up everything else and takes the pressure off the rest of the staff and you've got to love the way he's thrown it.

All in all a good 2 weeks. Could very easily be 7-0, but could just as easily be 4-3. We'll find out more as we all know in a few weeks.

I believe Rowdey will come around as well but until then I think you have to stick with the hot hitters at the top of the order. Just curious, as of right now, who would be our next man up as an outfielder beyond our 3 starters?
 

maroonmania

Senior
Feb 23, 2008
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What we need to remember about Self is that he is not still 100% due to surgery in the offseason. This is evident because the stadium gun has only clocked him throwing 85 which is not good when the cutter he has has no movement on it. I guess the staff has enough confidence in him to be putting him out there but right now he should just be throwing relief in midweek contests to get some action in and recover for SEC play.

Yep, he is just not ready for key situations right now. Not only has he lost velocity but his ball doesn't have the sharp break it use to. Didn't watch the Friday night game where he gave up the hit that put USM on the board in the 10th, but watching yesterday his pitch is just flattening out and sitting in the middle of the strike zone a LOT. Those pitches are going to get hit by college hitters that aren't even that good. Hopefully he comes around to his old form by later in the season.
 
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