Barney and Freeze's response to NOA

[ShrubDog]

Barney

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B909UsP9KWC8dVREVWQ4V0dKem8/view

Freeze

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B909UsP9KWC8bHRnc2tUWEkzQm8/view

 

[Drebin]

If Barney had seen Freeze's response before he submitted his own, I suspect his would look a whole lot different.

Barney: It's all MSU orchestrating a web of lies that Leo Lewis told to the NCAA.

Freeze: When I learned of what Barney was up to, I wanted to vomit. (That's a quote, for those who don't want to read it).

 

[Carbaryl]

That is something to keep in mind.I did not see where it said Barney's released response today was wrote out a few weeks ago.Freeze putting his out the same day as Barney's is pretty telling what they're trying to do here.

 

[coach66]

I expected better, this is so obvious.

Nm

 

[Dawgzilla]

Barney

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B909UsP9KWC8dVREVWQ4V0dKem8/view

Freeze

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B909UsP9KWC8bHRnc2tUWEkzQm8/view

I'm no chicken little when it comes to this stuff, but I do not like this quote from Barney's response:

"As discussed to some extent earlier in this introduction, [redacted] is a current football student-
athlete at [redacted, but it obviously says MSU]. As is commonly known, [redacted MSU again] and Ole Miss are rivals. [redacted] accepted $11,000 to sign with [redacted MSU again] .8"

The footnote then references the transcript of Student Athlete 39. If Lewis said in his testimony that he accepted $11,000 to sign with MSU, then that's a little disconcerting.

 

[campshelbydog842003]

If they hammer MSU after giving their player immunity to take down OM, they will never be able to use immunity again.

 

[TNT.sixpack]

Here's the thing.....and I've asked several UM people this and this is the one question that seems to stump them...... When it's all said and done, "IF" and I mean "IF" HF really thought he was that good of a recruiter, then WHY did his assistants and boosters feel is was so necessary to "help" him out to the extent they did behind the scenes? Think about it.....the people CLOSEST to the football program are the ones "in the know". And they felt it was necessary to cheat in order for him to close the deal on his highly ranked recruiting classes. It appears HF was the ONLY one who believed he was that good of a recruiter. So, my question to UM people is this......even if he's innocent and had zero knowledge of what was going on, do you really want that guy as your head coach? Because even if he was totally innocent of everything and had no idea what was going on, I'd still question whether I want someone that naïve running my program.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Querstion: Did MSU have to consent to #39 being interviewed by the NCAA or was it strictly his and his attorney`s call ?

 

[ChinaDogSunflower]

It is the NCAA we are talking about, if anything they are pretty inept and inconsistent.

 

[Xenomorph]

COI gonna be all like...

 

[ckDOG]

I'm no chicken little when it comes to this stuff, but I do not like this quote from Barney's response:

"As discussed to some extent earlier in this introduction, [redacted] is a current football student-
athlete at [redacted, but it obviously says MSU]. As is commonly known, [redacted MSU again] and Ole Miss are rivals. [redacted] accepted $11,000 to sign with [redacted MSU again] .8"

The footnote then references the transcript of Student Athlete 39. If Lewis said in his testimony that he accepted $11,000 to sign with MSU, then that's a little disconcerting.

If Lewis commented on anything related to MSU then we have the dumbest 17ing legal counsel known to man. I'd like to see what evidence was submitted and what was discussed. Agree...that statement is worrying on the surface.

 

[Drebin]

If someone from MSU gave him money, then we should be held accountable. Let's not be hypocritical about it.

That said, the point that everyone keeps missing is that the Leo Lewis infraction is one of many. Ole Miss already admits to and does not dispute enough to hammer them into the stone age.

If the COI wanted to kill all of the public posturing and silly narratives, they would throw out the Leo allegation and hammer them on everything else. Then nobody can blame State, nobody can blame Leo,and nobody can blame Barney.

If it's possible that MSU and Dan Mullen orchestrated the Leo Lewis stuff, then it's also possible that someone affiliated with Ole Miss, pretending to be affiliated with State, gave Leo money. If Ole Miss wants to get silly, I guess we can too.

 

[JackShephard]

Freeze's response literally makes me have to hold back vomit. He is a disgusting human. In one sentence, he says he understands that he is ultimately responsible for his program, and in the next he blames "actions of certain staff members". what a phony fraud. The COI will easily see through this farce. This "man of character and integrity" is actually a charlatan and will be punished as such. They really think they are smarter than the COI and that by using the words "character" and "integrity" over and over again, they can fool them. It's really pretty sad. His pride is his downfall. Pride cometh before the fall.

 

[Drebin]

Freeze's response literally makes me have to hold back vomit. He is a disgusting human. In one sentence, he says he understands that he is ultimately responsible for his program, and in the next he blames "actions of certain staff members". what a phony fraud. The COI will easily see through this farce. This "man of character and integrity" is actually a charlatan and will be punished as such. They really think they are smarter than the COI and that by using the words "character" and "integrity" over and over again, they can fool them. It's really pretty sad. His pride is his downfall. Pride cometh before the fall.

I'd love to know what some of the folks in and around Oxford, who know a little too much about Danny Hugh and his personal life, feel about him playing the character and integrity cards.

 

[thatsbaseball]

We'll just use the same excuse as Freezus "how the hell was I suppose to know that ?"

 

[RocketDawg]

I'm no chicken little when it comes to this stuff, but I do not like this quote from Barney's response:

"As discussed to some extent earlier in this introduction, [redacted] is a current football student-
athlete at [redacted, but it obviously says MSU]. As is commonly known, [redacted MSU again] and Ole Miss are rivals. [redacted] accepted $11,000 to sign with [redacted MSU again] .8"

The footnote then references the transcript of Student Athlete 39. If Lewis said in his testimony that he accepted $11,000 to sign with MSU, then that's a little disconcerting.

Yes, I noticed that too and I just scanned the first few pages.

 

[RocketDawg]

If someone from MSU gave him money, then we should be held accountable. Let's not be hypocritical about it.

That said, the point that everyone keeps missing is that the Leo Lewis infraction is one of many. Ole Miss already admits to and does not dispute enough to hammer them into the stone age.

If the COI wanted to kill all of the public posturing and silly narratives, they would throw out the Leo allegation and hammer them on everything else. Then nobody can blame State, nobody can blame Leo,and nobody can blame Barney.

If it's possible that MSU and Dan Mullen orchestrated the Leo Lewis stuff, then it's also possible that someone affiliated with Ole Miss, pretending to be affiliated with State, gave Leo money. If Ole Miss wants to get silly, I guess we can too.

Yep. Hopefully that's not the case, but if it is we'll have to face the music.

 

[RocketDawg]

Here's the thing.....and I've asked several UM people this and this is the one question that seems to stump them...... When it's all said and done, "IF" and I mean "IF" HF really thought he was that good of a recruiter, then WHY did his assistants and boosters feel is was so necessary to "help" him out to the extent they did behind the scenes? Think about it.....the people CLOSEST to the football program are the ones "in the know". And they felt it was necessary to cheat in order for him to close the deal on his highly ranked recruiting classes. It appears HF was the ONLY one who believed he was that good of a recruiter. So, my question to UM people is this......even if he's innocent and had zero knowledge of what was going on, do you really want that guy as your head coach? Because even if he was totally innocent of everything and had no idea what was going on, I'd still question whether I want someone that naïve running my program.

Does anybody, including Hugh himself, think he was good enough to get the three top rated position players in the country? I can't see how anybody could think that ... there had to be something fishy going on.

 

[Hoover Dawg]

I've heard this stuff too, and I don't know why this hasn't hit the mainstream media. If what I've heard is true, and it can't be that hard to prove, it would totally discredit Freeze.

 

[KielDog]

This feels like they are just trying to push this out so it accepted as fact by the public. He goes on to say he doesn't know who paid him and hey, maybe he's still getting paid who knows, probably! Its deflection and conjecture. This has been thrown out there forever by ole miss to deflect from what is know as fact, it's the everyone is doing it argument. I highly doubt the NCAA asked anything pertaining to our recruitment of Leo. I would assume immunity does not work that way.

 

[muddawgs]

If Lewis said in his interview that he accepted $11,000

I'm no chicken little when it comes to this stuff, but I do not like this quote from Barney's response:

"As discussed to some extent earlier in this introduction, [redacted] is a current football student-
athlete at [redacted, but it obviously says MSU]. As is commonly known, [redacted MSU again] and Ole Miss are rivals. [redacted] accepted $11,000 to sign with [redacted MSU again] .8"

The footnote then references the transcript of Student Athlete 39. If Lewis said in his testimony that he accepted $11,000 to sign with MSU, then that's a little disconcerting.

To sign with State, do you think he would have played in the egg bowl? Lewis may have told Barney that but I highly doubt he said that in the interview with the NCAA. Lewis had limited immunity which I'm no lawyer but my best guess was Lewis had immunity to talk about his recruitment with Ole Miss and was immune to any thing he accepted from Ole Miss but did not have immunity if he took money from us. So why would he tell the NCAA he took money from us and then played afterwards? Just doesn't add up. Sounds like Barney and them are just trying to deflect and throw **** at a wall and hope it sticks.

 

[coach66]

Here is what I was told, MSU asked the NCAA

It we should sit Lewis in the bowl game and they told us no, you are fine letting him play.

 

[ShrubDog]

Yeah but he sat out of the Spring game!?!

 

[EngDawg]

In Bracky I trust!


If there is a known violation in regards to LL, then I'm sure Bracky will self report and force the responsible party to commit ritual suicide. That this has not happen is the strongest evidence of all that there is absolutely nothing to fear.

 

[tired]

Do we know for sure that Lewis gave this testimony? I just don't see how Leo would have gotten to play in the EB had he said that. I'll worry about it if it comes out that State gave him money, & if that's the case, we'll have to pay for it.

The mother said MSU and LSU offered money to try to get more money out of OM. If there was proof that State or LSU gave him money, in my mind, it would have already come out. This is just an attempt by OM to bring down other schools. And the mother could have just said that, doesn't mean it's true.

 

[DocHolliday.sixpack]

Agreed 100%. Pitiful excuse for a "fine honorable man". Snake oil salesman punk

Freeze's response literally makes me have to hold back vomit. He is a disgusting human. In one sentence, he says he understands that he is ultimately responsible for his program, and in the next he blames "actions of certain staff members". what a phony fraud. The COI will easily see through this farce. This "man of character and integrity" is actually a charlatan and will be punished as such. They really think they are smarter than the COI and that by using the words "character" and "integrity" over and over again, they can fool them. It's really pretty sad. His pride is his downfall. Pride cometh before the fall.

Yet they have him lined up to give another speech to high school athletes on love and integrity. Pffffffffttt!

 

[coach66]

Excellent point

Nm

 

[BossDawg78]

To sign with State, do you think he would have played in the egg bowl? Lewis may have told Barney that but I highly doubt he said that in the interview with the NCAA. Lewis had limited immunity which I'm no lawyer but my best guess was Lewis had immunity to talk about his recruitment with Ole Miss and was immune to any thing he accepted from Ole Miss but did not have immunity if he took money from us. So why would he tell the NCAA he took money from us and then played afterwards? Just doesn't add up. Sounds like Barney and them are just trying to deflect and throw **** at a wall and hope it sticks.

^^^^^

 

[Dawgzilla]

This feels like they are just trying to push this out so it accepted as fact by the public. He goes on to say he doesn't know who paid him and hey, maybe he's still getting paid who knows, probably! Its deflection and conjecture. This has been thrown out there forever by ole miss to deflect from what is know as fact, it's the everyone is doing it argument. I highly doubt the NCAA asked anything pertaining to our recruitment of Leo. I would assume immunity does not work that way.

Yeah, we don't have the transcript to even see what testimony Barney's attorney is referencing. Heck, I'm just assuming it is Lewis' testimony and not the statements of someone else. Remains to be seen what there is to this, but I just didn't like the claim that Lewis admitted getting $11,000 to sign with MSU.

And, really, if Cam Newton was worth $180,000, then Lewis should have held out for a bit more.

 

[KielDog]

Ha I was thinking same thing. Why is there so much variation in the amounts reportedly offered to atheltes. Not many people thought Cam would be what he was year one. Looking back, yeah he was worth every penny but Leo is a bargain at $11k

 

[aTotal360]

Yup. Bracky ate 1/3 of Redmond's career just to be safe. He would a put restraining order on LL if he thought he was a detriment to the team's eligibility.

 

[Arloguthrie]

He didn't admit accepting the $10,000 from another institution until the 3rd interview, which was on 12/13/16, i.e., after the Egg Bowl (allegedly).

 

[coach66]

Before the bowl game, correct.

Nm

 

[Arloguthrie]

Right, I was responding to the Egg Bowl post. What caused MSU to ask the NCAA about playing him in the bowl game?

 

[JackShephard]

It we should sit Lewis in the bowl game and they told us no, you are fine letting him play.

I've always assumed it was somewhat of a "sting" type situation where Leo let MSU know that OM was offering him money, so MSU reported it to the NCAA they kind of just let it play out as a final nail in the coffin. Maybe that's just wishful thinking though.

I hate to think that such a highly rated player can be bought for $10,000 though. And if we did give it to him, I agree, he should be ineligible and we should be punished too.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Because we didn't know what was said in the interview.

 

[BlueRidgeMtns]

There is no way LL told the NCAA he was paid by state. "i took money from OM...oh and B T Dubs, yall should hear about what state gave me. They the best!"

 

[coach66]

Not sure but we did ask.

Nm

 

[johnson86-1]

To sign with State, do you think he would have played in the egg bowl? Lewis may have told Barney that but I highly doubt he said that in the interview with the NCAA. Lewis had limited immunity which I'm no lawyer but my best guess was Lewis had immunity to talk about his recruitment with Ole Miss and was immune to any thing he accepted from Ole Miss but did not have immunity if he took money from us. So why would he tell the NCAA he took money from us and then played afterwards? Just doesn't add up. Sounds like Barney and them are just trying to deflect and throw **** at a wall and hope it sticks.

I suspect that Leo and state had immunity for anything as long as he told the truth. What would the NCAA gain by telling him: "You have immunity and won't get in trouble. We're just going to punish your school so that you have to transfer and sit out for a year because your teammates will hate you for causing them to be on probation." I'm sure student athletes would jump all over that.

Alternatively, they could have stipulated that they were only asking him about ole miss stuff and didn't want to hear anything about MSU.

 

[messageboardsuperhero]

LOL, and they have the audacity to call us SnitchU. That reads like the most sleazy, snake in the grass operation since Watergate. Recording recruits mothers in a blatant attempt to get them to talk about payments from other schools? The whole thing is an obvious set up... Unless of course they secretly record all conversations they have with recruits- which would open up a whole new door of bizzare behavior.