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Contrary to Forde's "out to get Cal and UK" rep, I don't think that's what this is about (although, certainly, if he can hurt UK in the process, that's all the better). Here is the key part:

"At this dinner, according to expense reports and receipts that are part of evidence collected by the FBI and viewed by Yahoo Sports, were three guests of particular note: Stephen Pina, who worked as an agent for ASM Sports out of New Jersey; Edrice “Bam” Adebayo, then a 17-year-old who had just completed his junior year at Northside High School in Pinetown, North Carolina, and was in the midst of what scouts called a “standout” performance at the camp; and Eric Peartree, who was described in many media reports as Adebayo’s “mentor” or “guardian.”

The significance of this meeting is how seemingly insignificant it was. It was dinner; a good dinner, but not some glitzy wining and dining. There is no evidence of bags of cash or new cars or anything you might see in a movie. There is no suggestion Pina was steering Adebayo to any school (he was uncommitted at the time but later attended the University of Kentucky for the 2016-17 season before becoming a first-round draft pick of the Miami Heat). Adebayo never even signed with ASM.

It reaffirms, however, the challenge for college sports leaders who are finally confronting the issue of how a young player’s free-market value runs counter to the NCAA’s standards of amateurism.....Can the NCAA face the reality that the only way to fix a culture of commonplace rule-breaking is to overhaul the rules?"


emphasis is mine.....

Sometimes Forde writes what appears to be just another public facing column, when really his target audience is the NCAA itself. Best example of that was a column right before the NCAA announced its findings on Bledsoe - it was basically a Valentine, and a plea, to do the right thing and smash Kentucky. This is just trying to create momentum to allow the NCAA to do some real rules changes, to change the whole paradigm, and not just nibble at the edges of the rules with a few insignificant changes...
 

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Better not be a $12 tip...



$18 is 20%, but still a cheap tip on a $90 tab, imo.
 
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(From KSR) "Last week TMZ tracked down LeBron James outside a Los Angeles coffee shop to ask him about his future in the NBA after free agency next summer. James would not comment.

But what’s more interesting in the video, at least to us, is the cameo by Cameron Reddish, who is seen leaving the coffee shop with James and Rich Paul, who is James’ agent and the founder of  Klutch Sports Group."
 
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Contrary to Forde's "out to get Cal and UK" rep, I don't think that's what this is about (although, certainly, if he can hurt UK in the process, that's all the better). Here is the key part:

"At this dinner, according to expense reports and receipts that are part of evidence collected by the FBI and viewed by Yahoo Sports, were three guests of particular note: Stephen Pina, who worked as an agent for ASM Sports out of New Jersey; Edrice “Bam” Adebayo, then a 17-year-old who had just completed his junior year at Northside High School in Pinetown, North Carolina, and was in the midst of what scouts called a “standout” performance at the camp; and Eric Peartree, who was described in many media reports as Adebayo’s “mentor” or “guardian.”

The significance of this meeting is how seemingly insignificant it was. It was dinner; a good dinner, but not some glitzy wining and dining. There is no evidence of bags of cash or new cars or anything you might see in a movie. There is no suggestion Pina was steering Adebayo to any school (he was uncommitted at the time but later attended the University of Kentucky for the 2016-17 season before becoming a first-round draft pick of the Miami Heat). Adebayo never even signed with ASM.

It reaffirms, however, the challenge for college sports leaders who are finally confronting the issue of how a young player’s free-market value runs counter to the NCAA’s standards of amateurism.....Can the NCAA face the reality that the only way to fix a culture of commonplace rule-breaking is to overhaul the rules?"


emphasis is mine.....

Sometimes Forde writes what appears to be just another public facing column, when really his target audience is the NCAA itself. Best example of that was a column right before the NCAA announced its findings on Bledsoe - it was basically a Valentine, and a plea, to do the right thing and smash Kentucky. This is just trying to create momentum to allow the NCAA to do some real rules changes, to change the whole paradigm, and not just nibble at the edges of the rules with a few insignificant changes...
lol there’s nothing significant so the story is how insignificant it is. Forde is such a trash loser. Couldn’t be more transparent these guys are desperate to take down elite programs like Kentucky, Arizona and Auburn.
 

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Contrary to Forde's "out to get Cal and UK" rep, I don't think that's what this is about (although, certainly, if he can hurt UK in the process, that's all the better). Here is the key part:

"At this dinner, according to expense reports and receipts that are part of evidence collected by the FBI and viewed by Yahoo Sports, were three guests of particular note: Stephen Pina, who worked as an agent for ASM Sports out of New Jersey; Edrice “Bam” Adebayo, then a 17-year-old who had just completed his junior year at Northside High School in Pinetown, North Carolina, and was in the midst of what scouts called a “standout” performance at the camp; and Eric Peartree, who was described in many media reports as Adebayo’s “mentor” or “guardian.”

The significance of this meeting is how seemingly insignificant it was. It was dinner; a good dinner, but not some glitzy wining and dining. There is no evidence of bags of cash or new cars or anything you might see in a movie. There is no suggestion Pina was steering Adebayo to any school (he was uncommitted at the time but later attended the University of Kentucky for the 2016-17 season before becoming a first-round draft pick of the Miami Heat). Adebayo never even signed with ASM.

It reaffirms, however, the challenge for college sports leaders who are finally confronting the issue of how a young player’s free-market value runs counter to the NCAA’s standards of amateurism.....Can the NCAA face the reality that the only way to fix a culture of commonplace rule-breaking is to overhaul the rules?"


emphasis is mine.....

Sometimes Forde writes what appears to be just another public facing column, when really his target audience is the NCAA itself. Best example of that was a column right before the NCAA announced its findings on Bledsoe - it was basically a Valentine, and a plea, to do the right thing and smash Kentucky. This is just trying to create momentum to allow the NCAA to do some real rules changes, to change the whole paradigm, and not just nibble at the edges of the rules with a few insignificant changes...

I'm not saying it's the sole intention of this piece to go after UK and Cal, but it's far from accidental that he chose to highlight Bam (among a sea of transgressions by scores of people).

Even provided a chance to recap Bam's connection to the case. Considering the source, I would say it was at least close to 50/50 taking a shot at us, as far as intentions go.
 

Aike

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correct me if im wrong but cant a meal be 200 bucks before its an issue?

If it's $200 or less, you can donate to charity and absolve yourself of any "crimes." That is, if you are a current athlete.
 
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docholiday51

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The tip was actually $18, by the way. CJ couldn't even get that much right.

@docholiday51 - remember when you said the leaks would stop? Guess you should have counted on them singling out one UK related item to spin another story.

Gave them a chance to double down on reporting the Bam stuff (but no one else).

Pathetic. Disgusting.
I stand corrected(maybe) this could be information that they already had before the Judge's order but are now releasing.It may or may not be new information.The flow of info seems to have dried up to some degree.If there is another big info dump I would think it would come Friday before selection Sunday.
 

larry the cable guy

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Contrary to Forde's "out to get Cal and UK" rep, I don't think that's what this is about (although, certainly, if he can hurt UK in the process, that's all the better). Here is the key part:

"At this dinner, according to expense reports and receipts that are part of evidence collected by the FBI and viewed by Yahoo Sports, were three guests of particular note: Stephen Pina, who worked as an agent for ASM Sports out of New Jersey; Edrice “Bam” Adebayo, then a 17-year-old who had just completed his junior year at Northside High School in Pinetown, North Carolina, and was in the midst of what scouts called a “standout” performance at the camp; and Eric Peartree, who was described in many media reports as Adebayo’s “mentor” or “guardian.”

The significance of this meeting is how seemingly insignificant it was. It was dinner; a good dinner, but not some glitzy wining and dining. There is no evidence of bags of cash or new cars or anything you might see in a movie. There is no suggestion Pina was steering Adebayo to any school (he was uncommitted at the time but later attended the University of Kentucky for the 2016-17 season before becoming a first-round draft pick of the Miami Heat). Adebayo never even signed with ASM.

It reaffirms, however, the challenge for college sports leaders who are finally confronting the issue of how a young player’s free-market value runs counter to the NCAA’s standards of amateurism.....Can the NCAA face the reality that the only way to fix a culture of commonplace rule-breaking is to overhaul the rules?"


emphasis is mine.....

Sometimes Forde writes what appears to be just another public facing column, when really his target audience is the NCAA itself. Best example of that was a column right before the NCAA announced its findings on Bledsoe - it was basically a Valentine, and a plea, to do the right thing and smash Kentucky. This is just trying to create momentum to allow the NCAA to do some real rules changes, to change the whole paradigm, and not just nibble at the edges of the rules with a few insignificant changes...

I think the big thing for me is he could have written the same thing about Lebron and Reddish a few months ago but chose to say nothing. Then again he would have to cast a negative light on the King and K and we all know they are both untouchable.
 

Aike

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I stand corrected(maybe) this could be information that they already had before the Judge's order but are now releasing.It may or may not be new information.The flow of info seems to have dried up to some degree.If there is another big info dump I would think it would come Friday before selection Sunday.

Yeah, that's what I was asking before. Should we expect Forde and Thamel to do an info dump of what they already know, or put a lid on it?

Maybe they will just strategically leak UK related info.
 
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The actual useful information here is the name Eric Peartree. If he was present here, and an ASM rep was as well, it's *easy* to argue that Peartree took the money ASM "loaned" to Bam and that he and his family never saw a dime or knew about it.

He might have been looking to trash us, but he actually just gave us a really logical out.
 
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I'm not saying it's the sole intention of this piece to go after UK and Cal, but it's far from accidental that he chose to highlight Bam (among a sea of transgressions by scores of people).

Even provided a chance to recap Bam's connection to the case. Considering the source, I would say it was at least close to 50/50 taking a shot at us, as far as intentions go.
I think the big thing for me is he could have written the same thing about Lebron and Reddish a few months ago but chose to say nothing. Then again he would have to cast a negative light on the King and K and we all know they are both untouchable.
yep, you're both right. Even if my notion is correct that this is at bottom about greasing the skids to real change, he could have chosen any kid and any school to make his point. It's no surprise, of course, that he picked a Kentucky kid to make the illustration....
 

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So from the comments am I to assume the ticket had Bam's name on it so they know he bought Bam's lunch? So the guy who was fired for turning in thousands of dollars worth of false receipts can now be trustworthy on a lunch receipt? :joy:
Wait, I must have missed this part. The guy was fired for turning in false receipts? That should have been included in the article as it casts a lot of doubt on the whole story. Poor journalism overall if true.
 
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This is getting ridiculous! Who gives a flying flip about a meal? I'll tell you who... only dip wads that are stupid.

And I agree on Ford and Thamel. I think they're personally interested in this FBI Scandal hoping & was just sure that there will be all kinds of dirt on Cal.

The fact there was a story on $102 meal tells me they have nothing and are sorely disappointed.
those two *** wipes are just trying to stay relevant in some way, Forde as been a after though and has been for a long time , and Thamel is just as bad !
 

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Yeah, that's what I was asking before. Should we expect Forde and Thamel to do an info dump of what they already know, or put a lid on it?

Maybe they will just strategically leak UK related info.
This might be a test balloon to see what if anything the Court does.They waited a while after the ruling to let the dust settle.If they deem it safe enough they may dump whatever they have left,but I think it is unlikely they got additional information they didn't already have.Whoever the source is I doubt they want to risk running afoul of a Federal Judge
 
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After getting 2013 vacated, U6 fans are desperate for any crumb of impropriety surrounding UK that they can point to. Forde knows this is low hanging click-bait.
 
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The NCAA would be real careful to try and punish a big program like Kentucky for a $100 meal. If I was Mitch and Sandy I'd almost dare them. NCAA is teetering over a cliff right now..
 
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All I can say is that I hope Bam lawyers up, denies everything and doesn't cooperate. All you have is some fake receipts and his word against a scumbag. I don't care anymore whether it is the truth or not. I really don't care any more whether we cheat or not. College basketball is corrupt to the core. None of it matters when Duke and UNCheat are untouchable and can do whatever the hell they want with no repercussions. Once Duke and UNCheat begin to be held accountable, I will return to my old way of viewing these situations but that will happen when hell freezes over.
Emmert is nothing more than a fat little Caligula so....When in Rome, do as the Romans.
 
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Better not be a $12 tip...



$18 is 20%, but still a cheap tip on a $90 tab, imo.

Have to disagree with you there. How is 20 percent cheap? If the bill is 5 bucks, 20 percent is a dollar. If the bill is 90 bucks, then it's 18. The percentage is what it is. Also, notice how tips used to be 12 percent, then it was 15, not it's 20. At some point it becomes ridiculous. The answer is to stop allowing places to pay their waitstaff below the minimum wage.
 
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rick64

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Better tell MB to ask for Cal's resignation. Get a search group together to see who wants the job. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 

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GUESTS: 6

The receipt conveniently has the left side obscured. If you compare it with other Melting Pot receipts, the number 6 by the letters “sts:” means “Guests: 6”. There were 6 Guests, but 3 entrees, 1 side and 1 beverage on the receipt. (Look at the linked photo of the entree in my earlier post).

Having Bam’s name on the receipt doesn’t prove anything at all.
 

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Wait, I must have missed this part. The guy was fired for turning in false receipts? That should have been included in the article as it casts a lot of doubt on the whole story. Poor journalism overall if true.

Actually I think it may have been a different agent than the one who was fired for the fake Uber receipts.
 

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Have to disagree with you there. How is 20 percent cheap? If the bill is 5 bucks, 20 percent is a dollar. If the bill is 90 bucks, then it's 18. The percentage is what it is. Also, notice how tips used to be 12 percent, then it was 15, not it's 20. At some point it becomes ridiculous. The answer is to stop allowing places to play their waitstaff below the minimum wage.
Sorry man. I've been on the other side of the table. Serving isn't as easy as some people think. Dealing with the public with a smile on your face all the time makes it hard. With the things I've experienced I ALWAYS tip more than 20%. (Minimum wage in Kentucky is $7.25, btw. A serving job at 40 hours a week with 15% tips would still keep a person below the poverty level.)

 
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Well, first, it was when he was still in HS. Second, it is pretty misleading to say a $102 meal, when if you take off the tip, it was $90. Then if you divide the check 3 ways, he really got a $30 meal. While wrong, if he did it, these stories try to make mountains out of mole hills, and they slant them to sensationalize each one.
 

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So either 3 guests or 6 guest. At most, Bam would have had a meal @ $21.99, (Cran)berry juice @ $3.00, split a $12.99 side/3. So all together, Bam may have gotten ~$30 worth of food. Oh my.
 

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(From KSR) "Last week TMZ tracked down LeBron James outside a Los Angeles coffee shop to ask him about his future in the NBA after free agency next summer. James would not comment.

But what’s more interesting in the video, at least to us, is the cameo by Cameron Reddish, who is seen leaving the coffee shop with James and Rich Paul, who is James’ agent and the founder of  Klutch Sports Group."
I'm sure that meal was paid for by Reddish
 

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What Forde is attempting to do is prove bam had contact with the agent so he can connect the big money directly to him. He’s trying to go after last season big time to have it vacated. It’s very obvious what’s going on here
 

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So either 3 guests or 6 guest. At most, Bam would have had a meal @ $21.99, (Cran)berry juice @ $3.00, split a $12.99 side/3. So all together, Bam may have gotten ~$30 worth of food. Oh my.

Cranberry juice? Bam??

 

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Naw. You guys have a cheating lying coach whose own actions got him fired. Don’t want anything to do with him or a team with such questionable hiring practices.
Not to mention the criminal accusations against one of their former star players/assistant coach. If you lay down with dogs you get fleas.......I think I would pass on a unholy alliance with AU. Pearl looks like a sweaty used car salesman out on the lot in the heat.
 
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Did the article explain how Bam got his nickname? Always wondered about that.
 

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Better not be a $12 tip...



$18 is 20%, but still a cheap tip on a $90 tab, imo.

Many yrs ago my wife worked as a waitress at Executive West Hotel. William Shatner would stay there during the horse show. He would have 6-10 people in his party and would leave a $5 tip every time. My wife said he was a butt wipe and acted like it should be a privileged to serve him. People like him are the reason we tip well.
 
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Many yrs ago my wife worked as a waitress at Executive West Hotel. William Shatner would stay there during the horse show. He would have 6-10 people in his party and would leave a $5 tip every time. My wife said he was a butt wipe and acted like it should be a privileged to serve him. People like him are the reason we tip well.

If it brings you any solace, Shatner has been living with tinnitus for many, many years. I had mild and temporary tinnitus and if it was permanent, I may have gone crazy. It's horrible. So maybe that's his punishment for being a lousy tipper.
 

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Sorry man. I've been on the other side of the table. Serving isn't as easy as some people think. Dealing with the public with a smile on your face all the time makes it hard. With the things I've experienced I ALWAYS tip more than 20%. (Minimum wage in Kentucky is $7.25, btw. A serving job at 40 hours a week with 15% tips would still keep a person below the poverty level.)

So 20% is a bad tip? What do you tip then?
 

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I waited on Derek Anderson YEARS ago when he had just signed with the Cleveland Cavs. I didn't let on I was a fan and gave him professional service. I wrote on his tab, "Congratulations!! Go Big Blue!"

Before he left he asked me if I knew who he was. Of course I did and told him I hadn't missed a UK game in years. Ironically I had a white 1996 NCAA Championship t-shirt on under my work shirt. I showed it to him. He gave me a hug and left.

Went to the table and he left me a $100 bill. He signed his name and wrote, "Thanks Cindy. Go Big Blue." I put it in a frame and was able to keep it for a few years. Derek Anderson will forever be one of my favorite Wildcats. Not because of the money... because he was just a great guy.
 

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The NCAA would be real careful to try and punish a big program like Kentucky for a $100 for a meal. If I was Mitch and Sandy I'd almost dare them. NCAA is teetering over a cliff right now..
Mitch would roll over like a dog wanting his belly scratched.
 

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If it brings you any solace, Shatner has been living with tinnitus for many, many years. I had mild and temporary tinnitus and if it was permanent, I may have gone crazy. It's horrible. So maybe that's his punishment for being a lousy tipper.

Karma[roll] I also have tinnitus. Much like yourself for some strange reason they can't find, mine comes and goes. Thankfully.
 
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