Landon should have come in and shut them down and set up us winning in bottom of 9th. We played the safe card instead of coaching aggressive and using our best pitcher.
Bad decision
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Strange he didn’t bring in Macleod to face the 2 lefties to start inning. Too big a moment for Stinnett.
I don’t rip lemonis much but that was terrible. You shut them down then win it in the ninth with all the momentum. Don’t do that and they grab a big lead again
What if you don’t take the lead and end up losing while running him out there and he is unavailable tomorrow?
True. But sometimes the best way to win is rolling the dice while you have the momentum. Waiting to win game 2 didn’t work out against Oregon State and my gut says go for it all tonight once you get the game tied up.
The incoming weather really complicated the decision. I think if that front wasn’t approaching. Sims would’ve been out there.
It is obvious that we need one of our linebackers to fake an injury before the bomb so that we could stall until the Ump s called for the tarp. ****
If anyone is to blame it’s the umpiring crew. The rain delay should have been called when Stinnett could not grip the ball. It becomes a player safety issue at that point. The batter knew that the only pitch Stinnett could grip and throw was a fastball. And he grooved one.
Its not as black and white as folks want to make it. With the weather coming through, you can’t put Sims out there and make him sit for 2 hours in a tie game before the bottom of the 9th. If we don’t score, it’s an impending disaster where you have to let him potentially either 3 or 4 innings AFTER a rain delay, or possibly pull him and essentially forfeit the game and lose him for tomorrow.
For us to win a national title, or even just play for one, we were always going to need big outs late in the game from somebody not named Landon Sims at some point. Smith is a senior who has to throw strikes in that situation, he didn’t. Stinnet is a guy who has been reliable, and he serves up a meat pitch in a bad situation.
”One of the deepest bullpens in the country”, how many times have we heard that **** this season? Everybody after Preston Johnson completely **** the bed tonight. Every one of them.
For us to win a national title, or even just play for one, we were always going to need big outs late in the game from somebody not named Landon Sims at some point. Smith is a senior who has to throw strikes in that situation, he didn’t. Stinnet is a guy who has been reliable, and he serves up a meat pitch in a bad situation.
”One of the deepest bullpens in the country”, how many times have we heard that **** this season? Everybody after Preston Johnson completely **** the bed tonight. Every one of them.
At some point you have to make decisions based on winning a championship.
And that requires rolling the dice. So now we're in a position where Bednar starts tomorrow and is unlikely to be available until a short stint Wednesday. Sorry but this team's chances of bringing the hardware home without Bednar pitching Game 1 or 2 of the finals is very small. Sims has been watched carefully all season. He hasn't pitched in 2 days. Let him get you 3 outs and gamble on your 2-3-4 hitters in an environment where Texas' relievers were struggling to find the strike zone. If it doesn't work out, you can always take him out before the 10th. Did you also like the Stansbury Stall?
And that requires rolling the dice. So now we're in a position where Bednar starts tomorrow and is unlikely to be available until a short stint Wednesday. Sorry but this team's chances of bringing the hardware home without Bednar pitching Game 1 or 2 of the finals is very small. Sims has been watched carefully all season. He hasn't pitched in 2 days. Let him get you 3 outs and gamble on your 2-3-4 hitters in an environment where Texas' relievers were struggling to find the strike zone. If it doesn't work out, you can always take him out before the 10th. Did you also like the Stansbury Stall?
So what would you say if Sims pitched the 9th, 10th, and 11th, we lose in 12, and Sims isn’t available tomorrow?
Maybe you say you would only pitch him in the 9th. We could lose in 10. And he isn’t as fresh tomorrow.
So scenario: Sims pitches the 9th, we’re still tied, then we don’t score. Who pitches the top of the 10th?
I’m genuinely curious what y’all would do.
Maybe you say you would only pitch him in the 9th. We could lose in 10. And he isn’t as fresh tomorrow.
So scenario: Sims pitches the 9th, we’re still tied, then we don’t score. Who pitches the top of the 10th?
I’m genuinely curious what y’all would do.
The problem with your theory is that thy hit a 3 run homer.
We scrapped and clawed to erase a 3 run lead against one of their best bullpen arms. We have 2-3-4 due up in the bottom of the ninth. Only a retard doesn't bring sims in there. And that's exactly what happened.
You don't play for what might happen 39 minutes from now. That will get you beat every time.
Until sims goes out there tonight and pitches two innings but we don’t win and he is unavailable tomorrow and we blown it late. Then fans are bitching about that.
He was taking as long as he possibly could when he went to take out Smith. I’m honestly not sure what I would have done in that situation. I think you can even make an argument for stick with Smith a little longer.
Really and truly we made a lot of the same pitching decisions tonight that we made on Tuesday. Tullar was effective as a lefty matchup guy Tuesday, didn’t get an out tonight. We put Patrick in to roll a double play like he did Tuesday, he gives up an RBI single instead. Stinnett was mostly effective on Tuesday and has given up very few hits all year, he gives up a moon shot tonight.
I think there was probably some hesitation with Sims because of the weather and because you ideally want to use him in a game like this only if you have a lead. But I do think you can make a case for putting him in there, and if it had happened I would’ve considered it a little bit of a game but I could’ve certainly made sense of it.
Sims would have faced a minimum of 3 hitters in a downpour. That’s what would have happened. How much that would have affected his control, who knows. But he would have done that and sat for a minimum of 90 minutes without us having a lead. Its not easy to bring him in right there.
You won’t get an answer, because everyone is just angry right now. It’s just an agonizing position to be in as a coach, and it’s created by our piss poor play up until that point.
I’m not saying use Sims for more than an inning. Simply make a statement to the team that you are laying it on the line to shut down the top of the 9th only. The momentum could lead to good things. I assure you tomorrow the heavier pressure will be on us if we end up losing tonight. Not losing all hope, but this was a great chance to rally the team and put it away fast after we tied the game back up. Using Sims for just 3 outs would have spoken loudly to our team to put it away in the bottom of the 9th.
I would say we played to win the game. If we can't score a winning run over the next three innings, you tip your cap to the other guy, but you don't have to look at yourself in the mirror and say what if.
In your scenario, you roll with him as long as he can go and try to win the game. In that case he would have some time off before the championship series.
I'll take this one. Pitch him for the 9th inning only. With his track record, that almost guarantees that you still have a tie game going to the bottom of the ninth with the absolute meat of your lineup at bat to get just one run to win it. But in the event it goes into extra innings, take him out then to save him for tomorrow.
You're exactly right Drebin. At this stage of the season you've got to grab the game by the balls and take it. The time for playing not to lose is over.
Put him in for the Top of the 9th only? Sure, that makes sense. Until you realize that the Top of the 9th might take 3 hours to play.
The problem was the rain. Sims wasn’t pitching multiple innings because a 2 hour delay was 10-15 minutes away. It’s one thing to call in Sims thinking he can give you 2-3 innings. But we knew 1 inning was going to be it. I think we played it right. We just needed Rowdy to get that hit or Smith/Stinnett to not be wild. We got neither. It happens. Just gotta sack up and get them tomorrow.
Forget the rain, we pitched long enough to give up 3 runs. Sims likely would have gotten at least 2 outs by then. If it gets delayed, leave him out and rest him. But 2 outs, no on is sure the hell a lot better than heading to rain delay down 3.
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Yes. If Yancy Porter could've disguised himself as our Coach and had the opportunity to screw our chances to close out Texas...the disguised "Yancy Coach" would have called it exactly the way it played out.
I also suspect the same "Yancy Coach" would've sat Morgan Williams during the 4th quarter of Women's Basketball Championship game as well.
Yes. If Yancy Porter could've disguised himself as our Coach and had the opportunity to screw our chances to close out Texas...the disguised "Yancy Coach" would have called it exactly the way it played out.
I also suspect the same "Yancy Coach" would've sat Morgan Williams during the 4th quarter of Women's Basketball Championship game as well.
Uh, a tie game going into the 9th (especially when you are the home team) is not "false hope". I absolutely would have pitched Sims for just the top of the 9th to give us a chance to win it in the bottom. Then, save him for tomorrow if needed if we don't win it then. Seems like an easy decision to me. And don't tell me he could not pitch tomorrow after just one inning tonight.
He didn’t give up 3 runs though. Not worth arguing now. Just saying I’m not as confident now about the finals as I would be going into a rain delay tied or even down by just 1.