I keep hearing these people say "health care is not a right"...."it's not in the Constitution"......fine. But, neither is a free public highway system.....or education. We have both, provided to the public, for FREE (tax money). Both of those, as our leaders deemed, were necessary for a productive American society. So, is government provided (tax dollars) health care not either?
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I keep hearing these people say "health care is not a right"...."it's not in the Constitution"......fine. But, neither is a free public highway system.....or education. We have both, provided to the public, for FREE (tax money). Both of those, as our leaders deemed, were necessary for a productive American society. So, is government provided (tax dollars) health care not either?
You are a stupid son-o-a-***** aren't you? You improvising a bit to make that stretch. First, healthcare is accessible to everybody. You too stupid to remember Obamacare? Get off my *** and most little boys want a pony. Being poor didn't keep me from wanting.
A sane society would recognize healthcare is a good with a highly inelastic demand curve and that a for profit insurance model primarily directed as an employee benefit is highly inefficient.
Energy (power plants) and Health Care I would say, for "profit", aren't exactly good for the American people. Both are essential, and rates keep increasing to grow the profit margins of the higher executives.
The Government isn't providing 10 cents toward MY health care. Never has because I worked for a living.
The government (FDA) makes sure you have safe medicines to take. The government makes sure your doctors are credentialed. The government makes sure your hospitals are up to code. I could go on and on, but you continue to tell us how we "don't need the government" and you receive no benefit from your taxes.
I keep hearing how expensive malpractice insurance is, and I'm not trying to refute that. What if one of the cost saving measures was for the states to issue that to doctors? A doctor has to be licensed with the state in which he practices medicine, correct? You could adjust the fee structure to fund the state-provided insurance. I'm not sure that it would work well, but it might be worth a discussion.
My point is that the government isn't "giving" us anything. We are all paying for it. God doesn't drop money from heaven into the US Capitol for our legislator to delve out, it's all money that you and I gave them to spend. Whatever things you choose to mention as Government benefits are a direct result of the government taxing us. I challenge you to prove otherwise.
Tort reform has always been one of the cornerstones of the Republicans health care plans. If you are talking about "root causes".....check out the price for a root canal.
Idiot......your comments are why I think most Democrats are dumb as as rock.
Well, here's how your Republicans respond to issues. When it is about violence, we should put more police on the streets (increase tax spending) and "stop and frisk" (violate 4th Amendment)......when it comes to health care, we should NOT get tax money involved and if you can't afford health insurance it's because you are a "lazy bum".
So, even though cancer kills more people than guns, we should use tax money on stopping illegal guns on the streets than to give people health insurance that they could then use for preventative checkups and possibly save their lives?????? Amazing rationale.
Show where I EVER said any such things. You are to set in your ways to be open minded about other ways of doing things.
I said "your Republicans"......not YOU. My point is that we talk about preventing violence, why not work to save lives from diseases that go undetected because the health system prices are too high for some to afford.
That is the first reasonable assumption you have made. Need to take evening dose.
Do you think he has any understanding what $19 trillion going to 20 really is?
What dumb statements. I take it you're not on Medicare and don't ever plan to be? Most everyone now drawing it "worked for a living" -- and some are still working.
I wonder if anyone is understanding my concept.
Here are my points:
1. More people die of cancer or other medical problems than from guns/homicides (leaving out elderly who die of natural causes).
2. Tax $$$ are going to be spent
3. Instead of spending more $$$ on adding police and security, why not take that money and use it to stop what really is affecting and KILLING Americans......
The Government won't be providing for me........I paid for those benefits in the 41 years I was working. I'd suggest you read your pay stub and see just how much of it the government takes from you. They don't GIVE you anything that they first didn't TAKE from you.
I understand and agree that we could/should spend more on healthcare. We should spend more on education. The more educated we are, in general as a society, the better off all of society will be. Can you imagine if everyone in the United States was 10 IQ points more intelligent than they are now?
Can we have the 10 point IQ increase in them as well as the 10dB decrease in volume?
There is no doubt that government could generate or improve programs that would benefit some of the citizens. Now, tell us how to pay for the programs. We currently owe in excess of $19 trillion. Should we raise taxes to pay for more programs? If so, how much taxes are the people(YOU) supposed to pay? Who should pay - everyone or certain classes?
Or, should we borrow more? How is current debt going to be paid by our children and grandchildren? Future generations are going to have a poor life-style if they actually do pay off $19 trillion. That is real money people. Somewhere and sometime it is going to have to be paid. They will not see any benefit from it other than reducing an obligation generated by our generation. Hell of a burden to pass on.
Or, should we realize that the thing we call government cannot be everything to everybody? Can we not make choices? If we cannot afford it, can we do without it? Or do we make sacrifices and reduce other programs to finance new programs? Individuals make sacrifices, why can not the government do the same.
Does water have to be potable or pristine? Ditto air? Others?
Or, should we borrow more? How is current debt going to be paid by our children and grandchildren? Future generations are going to have a poor life-style if they actually do pay off $19 trillion. That is real money people. Somewhere and sometime it is going to have to be paid. They will not see any benefit from it other than reducing an obligation generated by our generation. Hell of a burden to pass on.
Or, should we realize that the thing we call government cannot be everything to everybody? Can we not make choices? If we cannot afford it, can we do without it? Or do we make sacrifices and reduce other programs to finance new programs? Individuals make sacrifices, why can not the government do the same.
Does water have to be potable or pristine? Ditto air? Others?
You all act as if we must spend MORE money to help with health care. How about we CUT from other programs just a bit? My point about the death rates in America was to show that the REAL threat is NOT violent crime, it's health care. We have a large portion of our citizens that do not have affordable insurance. Which means no preventative checkups for things that, if caught early, are treatable. Then you have the group of Americans who have insurance, but the premiums, deductibles, and co-pays are so high that they might as well not even have insurance because they cannot afford to get the checkups or preventative treatments either.
My platform has been, and will always be, health care for every American citizen and requirements of regularly yearly checkups. Will this raise taxes? Well, it shouldn't if we cut back on other programs. But if it raises everyone's federal taxes by a few bucks a year, then so be it. The taxpayer will NOT be out ANY money in the end. The money lost in taxes is made up by money SAVED by not having to pay the outrageous insurance premiums, co-pays, deductibles, etc. Do you not see that?
I do see what you want to do. The reality is billions are spent annually on research. There are no guarantees that more research will be fruitful. Would you be willing to spend the entire GDP on research that may or may not become beneficial.
Amazing you folks criticize Trump for not telling how he would do some of the things he says. Now you offer more money for research by "cutting back on other programs". As requested of Trump, how and which programs do you want to cut? These are special programs run by other people who want more money for their Agency. How do you tell the head of an agency that you are going to take his money for more medical research. Not going to go over well, but maybe if you tell us the agency you want to get the money from.
First thing you need to do is set a budget of the costs you are going to incur for the research you want to finance. Now, exactly how are you going to generate exactly enough revenue to pay for your intended project. How much are you going to get from each taxpayer
Nope. Not research. Money go towards actual HEALTH CARE that people can afford and USE. My entire point was to stop the things I've been hearing and reading on others places about "we need more cops on the streets". No we don't. Illnesses and diseases kill more people than guns. Murder rates are down, overall. Again, there are 100's of programs that receive tax $$$ that could lose thousands here or there, and still keep running.
Upon re-reading, I see that is not a question but a command. I apologized in a joking manner assuming you were asking me to take my meds.
Allow me to frankly follow-up. I will treat you with all due respect, if you respond in kind. If you are going to enter the discussion by cussing me, I will respond in kind to that attitude.