B1G player demands

e5fdny

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Seriously though, I can’t imagine they, as the most important “students” in each respective school, aren’t being treated and cared for the best possible way already.
 

e5fdny

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So first it was 'best possible way' and now 'differently' is sufficient?

Really?
Are they the same as the regular kids at school? They have have the best of everything already.

If an institution is not providing testing already for these guys then that’s a legit beef. But what school is not doing that already?

And are they offering it to everyone?
 
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Seriously though, I can’t imagine they, as the most important “students” in each respective school, aren’t being treated and cared for the best possible way already.

Where do they call themselves the most important students? And, even if they did, there is nothing on that list that is outrageous or unreasonable.
 
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e5fdny

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Where do they call themselves the most important students? And, even if they did, there is nothing on that list that is outrageous or unreasonable.
Are they the same as the rest of the student body? Are they treated the same?
 

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"Given that the players are the primary stakeholders in the business of college sports, we believe any course of action moving forward needs to include player input. ... We believe that the NCAA must — on its own and through collaboration with the conference — devise a comprehensive plan to ensure the safety and well-being of players leading up to and during the upcoming fall season."

Yes and that plan is called "canceling the season."

Call it a "business" decision to keep the lawsuits away
 
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Seriously though, I can’t imagine they, as the most important “students” in each respective school, aren’t being treated and cared for the best possible way already.

I believe that in relation to RU especially with GS here.

I don't believe that at certain other B1G schools where publicity and wins took priority over absolutely every other consideration over the years. Cult is the best example but tOSU and MSU have been absolutely no prizes.
 
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Are they the same as the rest of the student body? Are they treated the same?
I don’t really understand where you’re going with this line of thought. College athletes on scholarship do get a lot of benefits, but should their health & safety concerns not be addressed because they’re already treated differently?
 
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Are they the same as the rest of the student body? Are they treated the same?

no, they are not the same as the rest of the student body and they are treated differently. You know that.

the athletes are putting themselves in situations that the rest of the student body is not. The schools are making money..lots of money off of the athletes. The B1G players are not asking to be paid, they are asking to be protected and that is not unreasonable.


is there no AC in your house? did you not sleep well last night? you are sounding like an angry elf.
 
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e5fdny

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no, they are not the same as the rest of the student body and they are treated differently. You know that.

the athletes are putting themselves in situations that the rest of the student body is not. The schools are making money..lots of money off of the athletes. The B1G players are not asking to be paid, they are asking to be protected and that is not unreasonable.


is there no AC in your house? did you not sleep well last night? you are sounding like an angry elf.
That’s the deal they signed up for.

Or does the player decide it’s only 8yrds for a 1st down now?

What is different, COVID-19 aside, than before?
 

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I am a big fan of the whistleblower protection demand. Although I do believe that most schools will be on the up and up in the Big Ten, but I could see two schools in particular bending the rules and hiding positive tests. I think if they instituted whistleblower protection in the SEC every school would be in trouble.
 
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It takes something like a pandemic to the expose the lie that is college athletics. For the safety of everyone and to avoid lawsuits, continue the sports shutdowns until this virus is defeated.
 

e5fdny

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I don’t really understand where you’re going with this line of thought. College athletes on scholarship do get a lot of benefits, but should their health & safety concerns not be addressed because they’re already treated differently?
What aren’t they getting already?
 

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I believe that in relation to RU especially with GS here.

I don't believe that at certain other B1G schools where publicity and wins took priority over absolutely every other consideration over the years. Cult is the best example but tOSU and MSU have been absolutely no prizes.

Exactly. How can e5 keep going on knowing what we know in hindsight.

Yes, schools always work with athlete's best interest in mind :Sad:
 
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e5fdny

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I believe that in relation to RU especially with GS here.

I don't believe that at certain other B1G schools where publicity and wins took priority over absolutely every other consideration over the years. Cult is the best example but tOSU and MSU have been absolutely no prizes.
Still, let’s keep it Rutgers-centric...what aren’t they getting now?
 

e5fdny

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Exactly. How can e5 keep going on knowing what we know in hindsight.

Yes, schools always work with athlete's best interest in mind :Sad:
What do we know as it pertains to the Rutgers athlete, specifically the football player, that they aren’t getting now?

And we are talking health related not monetary compensation.
 

e5fdny

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Yes aside from Covid 19...aside from that how was the play mrs . Lincoln??
Are they been tested? If the answer is yes, as it better damn well be, what else? There is no cure and for the most part it’s not an issue for this age group.

Of all those players who tested positive, how many are actually sick? Isn't that what we should be concerned with...who is sick?
 

Plum Street

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Are they been tested? If the answer is yes, than what else? There is no cure and for the most part it’s not an issue for this age group.

Of all those players who tested positive, how many are actually sick?

How would we know the answer to how many are actually sick ? Rutgers isn’t releasing information on how many guys are sick . I would think for some of these kids that is personal issue . But you want to know ?
 

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Already getting paid.

Even if you don’t play the scholarship is still being honored.
Based on the hours of hard work they put in the scholarship is not a huge pay day. It’s a great perk for kids who cannot afford college or maybe would not have gotten in without sports but they put in a lot of hours and a lot of hard work.
 
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e5fdny

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How would we know the answer to how many are actually sick ? Rutgers isn’t releasing information on how many guys are sick . I would think for some of these kids that is personal issue . But you want to know ?
I don’t care, but isn’t that the more important point? I am more concerned about if these guys get sick, as that’s pretty scary when you consider for the most part they physically are the best out of all of us.
 

Plum Street

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Based on the hours of hard work they put in the scholarship is not a huge pay day. It’s a great perk for kids who cannot afford college or maybe would not have gotten in without sports but they put in a lot of hours and a lot of hard work.

This is true . But it’s up for the kid to take advantage of it . Get to the professional level ...get your degree ... These kids get a good opportunity . But It’s pretty hard to take tough majors while playing college football
 

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I don’t care, but isn’t that the more important point? I am more concerned about if these guys get sick, as that’s pretty scary when you consider for the most part they physically are the best out of all of us.

I think the more important point is that college athletics is a big business . The only reason why these schools are even attempting to have a season is money . It’s not about the “student athletes” best interests .
 
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e5fdny

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Based on the hours of hard work they put in the scholarship is not a huge pay day. It’s a great perk for kids who cannot afford college or maybe would not have gotten in without sports but they put in a lot of hours and a lot of hard work.
Nobody is saying it’s not hard work. And doesn’t take a lot of time. D1 athletics IS a job. But for the Football, MBB and WBB you are getting compensated as the pay day is getting your degree fo’ free. Not the NFL, NBA or WNBA.

The ones not getting the total free ride at the D1 level IMO are the ones working the hardest as they have all the work including a tuition bill. And those groups could get screwed even more if football and basketball players feel they are being used and need to get even more.
 
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fsg2_rivals

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What do we know as it pertains to the Rutgers athlete, specifically the football player, that they aren’t getting now?

And we are talking health related not monetary compensation.

We know that no one has the slightest idea wtf they're doing in planning things during a pandemic. We also know the NCAA is a clueless organization guided by bottom line rather than any semblance of its mission.

But mostly we know that this isn't only about football players, as it was brought forth by athletes representing 23 sports.
 

e5fdny

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This is true . But it’s up for the kid to take advantage of it . Get to the professional level ...get your degree ... These kids get a good opportunity . But It’s pretty hard to take tough majors while playing college football
+1

That’s what I’m saying...let them game the system in the same way they feel they are being gamed.
 
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e5fdny

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We know that no one has the slightest idea wtf they're doing in planning things during a pandemic. We also know the NCAA is a clueless organization guided by bottom line rather than any semblance of its mission.

But mostly we know that this isn't only about football players, as it was brought forth by athletes representing 23 sports.
Pandemic aside what aren’t they getting now? Rutgers speaking.

And if the money thing happens it won’t be for 23 sports.

Some of the things being asked as of now are probably out of the B1G’s control and would have to be changed by the NCAA first.
 
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That’s the deal they signed up for.

Or does the player decide it’s only 8yrds for a 1st down now?

What is different, COVID-19 aside, than before?

you can't brush Covid aside because that's what it's all about. And while an injury, say like Eric's, has catastrophic insurance, when a player gets Covid & myocarditis from being 2 inches away from the same OL guy for 30 minutes does that same insurance cover him for the rest of his life taking care of his heart condition?

Do you really think anything in this "demand" list is an unreasonable ask? And please note, the list is coming from ALL sports, not just football
 

fsg2_rivals

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Pandemic aside what aren’t they getting now? Rutgers speaking.

And if the money thing happens it won’t be for 23 sports.

Some of the things being asked as of now are probably out of the B1G’s control and would have to be changed by the NCAA first.

Did you even read the damn link?