Avanatti strikes again

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Sounds like dook is about to forfeit a season’s worth of games.

You must be new the the scene. If Duhon and Lance Thomas didn't get them, nothing will.

It already did. Avanatti brought this up months ago and it was completely buried.

But to be fair, he has about as much credibility as the prince of darkness himself.

Avenatti might be a money hungry con artist, but he has a history of getting facts right.

He knew about stormy Daniels. Turned out he couldn't get money out of it, but the facts were correct. They just didn't amount to legal liability
 
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You must be new the the scene. If Duhon and Lance Thomas didn't get them, nothing will.



Avenatti might be a money hungry con artist, but he has a history of getting facts right.

He knew about stormy Daniels. Turned out he couldn't get money out of it, but the facts were correct. They just didn't amount to legal liability
I’m not saying he’s not right. In all likelihood, he is. But the problem is, nobody trusts him. It’s hard to take someone seriously when their motivation is extortion. They’re obviously willing to lie, cheat, and do whatever immoral things they please if it will help them and their selfish cause.
 
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I’m not saying he’s not right. In all likelihood, he is. But the problem is, nobody trusts him. It’s hard to take someone seriously when their motivation is extortion. They’re obviously willing to lie, cheat, and do whatever immoral things they please if it will help them and their selfish cause.

I agree he's viewed as a slimeball. And rightfully so
 
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You must be new the the scene. If Duhon and Lance Thomas didn't get them, nothing will.



Avenatti might be a money hungry con artist, but he has a history of getting facts right.

He knew about stormy Daniels. Turned out he couldn't get money out of it, but the facts were correct. They just didn't amount to legal liability

I wouldn’t consider the Daniels situation to be a good analog for this. With Daniels, Avenatti had facts about events that transpired between essentially just two people. It’s easy to have the facts when your client is one of the two people and can provide direct, first hand knowledge of everything that Avenatti alleged.

That’s not the case here. Avenatti has a single, disgruntled AAU coach who is alleging widespread corruption without having firsthand knowledge for anything related to athletes who played on other AAU teams. And the evidence that Avenatti has released thus far hasn’t been that compelling.

I have no idea if anything ultimately comes of this, but I don’t think anyone should assume Avenatti has evidence of wrongdoing here simply because he had evidence in an unrelated case.
 
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I wouldn’t consider the Daniels situation to be a good analog for this. With Daniels, Avenatti had facts about events that transpired between essentially just two people. It’s easy to have the facts when your client is one of the two people and can provide direct, first hand knowledge of everything that Avenatti alleged.

That’s not the case here. Avenatti has a single, disgruntled AAU coach who is alleging widespread corruption without having firsthand knowledge for anything related to athletes who played on other AAU teams. And the evidence that Avenatti has released thus far hasn’t been that compelling.

I have no idea if anything ultimately comes of this, but I don’t think anyone should assume Avenatti has evidence of wrongdoing here simply because he had evidence in an unrelated case.

The point is he was privy to information barely anyone knew about. What he did with that information and his reaction to it is what's objectionable.
 

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I think Zion is untouchable right now. You really think the NBA or anyone will let them throw any controversy over this kid. He is going to be talked about nonstop once the season begins. They dont want any negativty. Just let it go man, let it go!
 
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KYFOSSIL

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Listened to Louisville guys on the radio this morning. They have stumbled upon a rather obvious epiphany, evidently. "FBI show up, and suddenly Calipari can't recruit anymore." So, there you have it. Kentucky/Cal are dirty, the law shows up, our gig is up.....

Not much I could do but shake my head and turn the dial.....
Duke and the blue bloods require an FBI investigation....UL only require the vice squad.
 
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I think Zion is untouchable right now. You really think the NBA or anyone let them throw any controversy over this kid. He is going to be talked about nonstop once the season begins. They dont want any negativty. Just let it go man, let it go!

Nike somehow on three days notice mobilized the FBI and US attorney's office to stop Avenatti.

If they can do that to protect Zion (their investment) then strong-arming the NCAA is child's play
 

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Nike somehow on three days notice mobilized the FBI and US attorney's office to stop Avenatti.

If they can do that to protect Zion (their investment) then strong-arming the NCAA is child's play

This. Nike is bigger than the sport. Everything else is an afterthought to $$$$. Including holding an actual legitimate competition. The college basketball that we know and love is dead.
 

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Lol, K could go on ESPN and admit to paying Zion Williamson and Mark Emmerts would applaud him.
He would roll out the red carpet and make sure k had a grand entrance. He would fly him in via helicopter.

Btw, hows Duvall doing these days? He was the number 1 can’t miss pg that helped lead puke to a final four. I’m sure he’s just weighing his options whether to play overseas or sign a max deal in the nba.
 
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It is evident that a an assistant was at least having those types of conversations. There could be trouble brewing
 

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The thought that a UK assistant coach would be telling him that UK was benefiting from this is laughable. A farce. Completely exaggerated from the actual quote. Makes way more sense that it was more of a complaint that Nike was funneling players elsewhere through the EYBL coaches.
 

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The point is he was privy to information barely anyone knew about. What he did with that information and his reaction to it is what's objectionable.

I’m well aware that your point was that he had information others did not. That’s exactly what I was responding to. Just because he had that with Daniels, that does not mean it’s safe to assume he has that for Nike.

As the motion clearly lays out, Avenatti and Franklin wanted Nike to do an internal investigation to turn up evidence of other payments. This is evidence which Avenatti does not currently possess according to the motion he filed. And that’s assuming the payments even occurred.

That doesn’t sound like someone who is privy to information others don’t have. It sounds like someone who is trying to strong arm Nike into letting him go on a fishing expedition to see what he can find.
 

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UK is only ever thrown into these articles for seo/click bait reasons. We're not involved and that's clear as day especially by now.

Theory:

At the time the NCAA mbb was fighting for its life. One and done was in place and kids were looking at overseas/g league options. NCAA knew if they turned their heads, kids would be paid and still go to school. Money would come from shoe companies, not schools, and there would be plausible deniability.

Nike and Jim gatto started it all. Adidas saw how effective it was and hired away gatto for themselves.

FBI investigation threw a wrench into it. Now they had undeniable proof it was going on and had for years.

At the same time, the "movement" starts getting enough momentum now that it too is a real threat to the NCAA. Lebron/rich Paul are in full blown attack mode.

They're trying to year down the NCAA with two different goals in mind: either getting the players paid through the NCAA so they can rep alot of the players. Or get to the point where Lebron/paul start their own league with nike.

For proof, look at the deal they just signed with Drake to bring their "movement" to Canada.

Will be interesting to watch. Will the NBA get rid of one and done? What stance will Lebron/Paul take on that behind closed doors? Will they block it? Or will they offer the alternative? Will the NCAA finally switch to the Olympic model to survive? Will it be enough?


Didn't you see the extent the author used to make sure people know UK isn’t under scrutiny?
Then we read uk coach gets information that amateur players are being paid by the boatload yet he doesn’t folllw NCAA rules to turn in cheaters.
Which is worse?
 

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Didn't you see the extent the author used to make sure people know UK isn’t under scrutiny?
Then we read uk coach gets information that amateur players are being paid by the boatload yet he doesn’t folllw NCAA rules to turn in cheaters.
Which is worse?

The only things you’ve demonstrated in your post is that you treat your assumptions as facts and that you do not understand NCAA rules related to reporting of violations.
 
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I’m well aware that your point was that he had information others did not. That’s exactly what I was responding to. Just because he had that with Daniels, that does not mean it’s safe to assume he has that for Nike.

As the motion clearly lays out, Avenatti and Franklin wanted Nike to do an internal investigation to turn up evidence of other payments. This is evidence which Avenatti does not currently possess according to the motion he filed. And that’s assuming the payments even occurred.

That doesn’t sound like someone who is privy to information others don’t have. It sounds like someone who is trying to strong arm Nike into letting him go on a fishing expedition to see what he can find.

He knew more than most anyone else knew. Enough that it was way more than some lucky guess. He was doing prelitigation discovery. It's very common for lawyers to need information from companies.
 
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Didn't you see the extent the author used to make sure people know UK isn’t under scrutiny?
Then we read uk coach gets information that amateur players are being paid by the boatload yet he doesn’t folllw NCAA rules to turn in cheaters.
Which is worse?

I don't click on click bait. Especially when it's been rehashed and rebutted numerous times already
 

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Article from Schlabach just says that a UK assistant with initials KP, duh, asked a Nike guy if they were paying a certain AAU coach, and asked how many people asked NIke to help them. That's pretty weak sauce. Sounds more like us trying to root out those with their hands out. If we were paying players, we suck at it. You don't whiff on every big man you go after with our history and coach if you are paying for them.
 
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Article from Schlabach just says that a UK assistant with initials KP, duh, asked a Nike guy if they were paying a certain AAU coach, and asked how many people asked NIke to help them. That's pretty weak sauce. Sounds more like us trying to root out those with their hands out. If we were paying players, we suck at it. You don't whiff on every big man you go after with our history and coach if you are paying for them.

Exactly. This is the second time the media tried to jump on possibly incriminating evidence for UK just to see it turn out to be clearly exculpatory.
 

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Avenatti is going to look like an even bigger dumbass if he can’t deliver info on money bigger than $200k spread among 10 AAU teams.
 

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So a UK coach 'knew' this stuff was happening?
Meh....the only folks that didn't work for the NCAA enforcement group.
 
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https://sports.yahoo.com/new-avenat...zion-williamson-romeo-langford-012143278.html
Thoughts? Not sure why they felt the need to drop an alleged conversation with a UK assistant in there. What am I missing as a reason in doing so? Here's the exact quote from the story regarding UK being mentioned.

DeBose, according to the motion, also “acknowledged in an exchange of text messages with an assistant coach at the University of Kentucky that Nike was funneling payments to high school players through at least ten different EYBL coaches
NOT READING THE ARITCLE,
 
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https://www.kentucky.com/ Well this really hurts the U6 narrative about the 1 sentence in a 50 page report about UK and the Nike scandal @KerryRhodes was so excited, said Duke and UK is finally caught. Caught not knowing anything about payments[/QUOTE

What do you expect from UofL and those who control their message board, they are grasping at straws, or anything that would deflect attention from UofL
 

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For those that think UK cheats:

The problem with the narrative is two fold.

1. There is ZERO proof so really your point is baseless.

2. If Cal and UK were cheating the NCAA would castrate him and us.

Do you think they haven't investigated? What about Bledsoe and AD? What about John Wall saying he'd been poor his whole life, what difference did another year make?

I just don't see it. We backed off Ayton and Bol Bol...we didn't get Zion and haven't gotten a Top 5 recruit in several years.
 
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Listened to Louisville guys on the radio this morning. They have stumbled upon a rather obvious epiphany, evidently. "FBI show up, and suddenly Calipari can't recruit anymore." So, there you have it. Kentucky/Cal are dirty, the law shows up, our gig is up.....

Not much I could do but shake my head and turn the dial.....
Having the top two or three recruiting class every year Cals been here is still kicking *** and taking names, even though he has all of stuff going against him. Oh yeah, Cals building a great class this year so the UL guys should do their homework.
 
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Guys hate to tell you all but our guys get paid too. Quit being naive. We don’t fund stripper parties for kids, only UL does that but our kids get money from shoe companies too. I can live with that.

Shoe companies are permitted to pay players under NCAA rules when its for things like hotel and airfare associated with travel to events. Cash payments are not.

One of the Nike emails Avenatti included in his motion talked about how Adidas and UA were far more aggressive than Nike and were willing to pay cash whereas Nike wasn’t at that point (July 2016).

What makes you so certain that our guys were paid cash too?
 
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JC CATS

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Guys hate to tell you all but our guys get paid too. Quit being naive. We don’t fund stripper parties for kids, only UL does that but our kids get money from shoe companies too. I can live with that.
You not only don't know that but if it is true, the big difference is our Coaches don't know and are not directly involved
 

JAC71

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I’m not sure how aau works but if you are paid for your services I would think that does away with the amateur status, therefore all of these kids in aau are getting paid with shoes, clothes and money for traveling expenses. There wouldn’t be any players to recruit since they are all being compensated in some way.
 

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For those that think UK cheats:

The problem with the narrative is two fold.

1. There is ZERO proof so really your point is baseless.

2. If Cal and UK were cheating the NCAA would castrate him and us.

Do you think they haven't investigated? What about Bledsoe and AD? What about John Wall saying he'd been poor his whole life, what difference did another year make?

I just don't see it. We backed off Ayton and Bol Bol...we didn't get Zion and haven't gotten a Top 5 recruit in several years.
The NCAA certainly has no love for Cal and would hammer him if given the opportunity. Also when Cal first arrived at UK, Pat Forde and Pete Thamel made it their personal mission to take him down. They even went to Cousins and Bledsoe’s neighborhoods trying to dig up dirt but found nothing. Cal isn’t a dummy. I’m sure he knows the scrutiny he’s under. I also think this is why he preaches the players first philosophy. It’s the most appealing option for top players without actually paying them.