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roadtrasheer

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I read a article this morning talking about insurance companies raising or refusing to insure EV's. Said it was due to the cost of battery replacement and high risk of fires . Wish I could copy and post .
My question is , has anyone run into this problem and does this include the hybrids? Didn't say anything about hybrids in the article.
My wife has a hybrid and we love it, but if the cost of insurance outweigh the savings in fuel then I need to sell or trade now to get ahead of it .
Thoughts or experiences....
 

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I read a article this morning talking about insurance companies raising or refusing to insure EV's. Said it was due to the cost of battery replacement and high risk of fires . Wish I could copy and post .
My question is , has anyone run into this problem and does this include the hybrids? Didn't say anything about hybrids in the article.
My wife has a hybrid and we love it, but if the cost of insurance outweigh the savings in fuel then I need to sell or trade now to get ahead of it .
Thoughts or experiences....

A coworker of mine got rid of his Tesla. He said it takes too long to charge and said the battery has to be warm. In the winter the car automatically kicks on a battery warmer, which does what? Drains the battery, losing some of its distance when driving.

He also found that a battery replacement was $26,000.

He said he'll never own another EV, unless massive improvements on batteries and costs.
 

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Geico refuses to insure new customers with EVs and the cost to insure an EV is far more than gasoline and diesel vehicles.
 

roadtrasheer

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Geico refuses to insure new customers with EVs and the cost to insure an EV is far more than gasoline and diesel vehicles.
I was reading that this morning.
I can't find nothing on hybrids. They have expensive batteries. Guess I'm gonna call them Monday and find out
 

dave

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I read a article this morning talking about insurance companies raising or refusing to insure EV's. Said it was due to the cost of battery replacement and high risk of fires . Wish I could copy and post .
My question is , has anyone run into this problem and does this include the hybrids? Didn't say anything about hybrids in the article.
My wife has a hybrid and we love it, but if the cost of insurance outweigh the savings in fuel then I need to sell or trade now to get ahead of it .
Thoughts or experiences....
Hybrids are different than EVs when it comes to engineering. They don't have the same issues that EVs have with battery.
 

atlkvb

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I read a article this morning talking about insurance companies raising or refusing to insure EV's. Said it was due to the cost of battery replacement and high risk of fires . Wish I could copy and post .
My question is , has anyone run into this problem and does this include the hybrids? Didn't say anything about hybrids in the article.
My wife has a hybrid and we love it, but if the cost of insurance outweigh the savings in fuel then I need to sell or trade now to get ahead of it .
Thoughts or experiences....
Sorry @roadtrasheer ...was out all day and didn't see this until late while reading about our 2nd half "breakdown" v Okie lite. (Ugh) The direct answer to your question is "yes", there are a number of issues auto insurers are running into with EV's. (btw it's less of an issue with Hybrids because of different technology)

However with EV's, often the price of repair or replacement of a damaged vehicle goes far beyond what it may be worth, and in order to save money insurance companies simply total the loss. However, that often does not fully replace the vehicle and that leaves insureds holding both the loss of residual value and any payments due as well as loss of use of the vehicle! Since their value rapidly diminishes, trades are often difficult or impossible. As a result, premiums and deductibles for EV's are going through the roof. I have not heard of insurance companies refusing to write policies for EVs (it's a growing market segment for them) but they are most definitely charging big $$$$$$$ for premiums!

Here's an excellent article on all of the insurance issues EVs are causing, from higher premiums, to expensive repairs for simple maintenance. I have warned readers on this forum before, refrain for now from purchasing EV's or lease them instead to avoid these headaches. This is a very good read which directly answers your concerns.

Insurance companies realize when insuring EVs...things can get expensive

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Right off, before anything else is even considered, the higher price tag on a new EV starts car owners out with higher insurance costs. But there are many more reasons that EV insurance costs are worse for EV owners, including repair costs.

...more

“High repair costs play a significant role in determining EV insurance premiums as well,” Market Watch reported. “While there are fewer components at risk of breaking down in an EV, the parts that do require repair or replacement are much more expensive

more

“The specialized training required to repair electric vehicles means fewer available options and higher charges for customers when repair needs arise. All of these factors drive up insurance costs for EV drivers.”

finally...

one owner found just how problematic accidents can be when in February his truck was rear-ended and he was told that the cost to repair the vehicle wild be an eye-popping $42,000, or about half what the truck cost in the first place. Even minor damage to an EV’s battery pack costs so much to replace that they have no choice but to call the whole thing a loss.

Again folks, trust me on this...IT IS NOT A WISE PURCHASE FOR BRAND NEW EV'S! They are frighteningly expensive...almost double the average price of ICE vehicles! They do not hold their residual value well. They are difficult to maintain, and nearly impossible to get spare parts for. They are impractical and while fun to drive, they do not offer the range or flexibility of ICE vehicles for long trips. Finally insuring them can be a nightmare as the linked article points out in more detail. (excerpted above)

So @roadtrasheer you are absolutely correct, insuring EVs is both expensive and problematic for consumers as well as insurance companies. Unless you have money to burn...my best advice is "DON'T DO IT"!
 
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roadtrasheer

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Sorry @roadtrasheer ...was out all day and didn't see this until late while reading about our 2nd half "breakdown" v Okie lite. (Ugh) The direct answer to your question is "yes", there are a number of issues auto insurers are running into with EV's. (btw it's less of an issue with Hybrids because of different technology)

However with EV's, often the price of repair or replacement of a damaged vehicle goes far beyond what it may be worth, and in order to save money insurance companies simply total the loss. However, that often does not fully replace the vehicle and that leaves insureds holding both the loss of residual value and any payments due as well as loss of use of the vehicle! Since their value rapidly diminishes, trades are often difficult or impossible. As a result, premiums and deductibles for EV's are going through the roof. I have not heard of insurance companies refusing to write policies for EVs (it's a growing market segment for them) but they are most definitely charging big $$$$$$$ for premiums!

Here's an excellent article on all of the insurance issues EVs are causing, from higher premiums, to expensive repairs for simple maintenance. I have warned readers on this forum before, refrain for now from purchasing EV's or lease them instead to avoid these headaches. This is a very good read which directly answers your concerns.

Insurance companies realize when insuring EVs...things can get expensive

excerpt:
Right off, before anything else is even considered, the higher price tag on a new EV starts car owners out with higher insurance costs. But there are many more reasons that EV insurance costs are worse for EV owners, including repair costs.

...more

“High repair costs play a significant role in determining EV insurance premiums as well,” Market Watch reported. “While there are fewer components at risk of breaking down in an EV, the parts that do require repair or replacement are much more expensive

more

“The specialized training required to repair electric vehicles means fewer available options and higher charges for customers when repair needs arise. All of these factors drive up insurance costs for EV drivers.”

finally...

one owner found just how problematic accidents can be when in February his truck was rear-ended and he was told that the cost to repair the vehicle wild be an eye-popping $42,000, or about half what the truck cost in the first place. Even minor damage to an EV’s battery pack costs so much to replace that they have no choice but to call the whole thing a loss.

Again folks, trust me on this...IT IS NOT A WISE PURCHASE FOR BRAND NEW EV'S! They are frighteningly expensive...almost double the average price of ICE vehicles! They do not hold their residual value well. They are difficult to maintain, and nearly impossible to get spare parts for. They are impractical and while fun to drive, they do not offer the range or flexibility of ICE vehicles for long trips. Finally insuring them can be a nightmare as the linked article points out in more detail. (excerpted above)

So @roadtrasheer you are absolutely correct, insuring EVs is both expensive and problematic for consumers as well as insurance companies. Unless you have money to burn...my best advice is "DON'T DO IT"!
No I wasn't even thinking about one . Can't afford a toy like that .
 

dave

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I understand they are not EV's. I was thinking of the battery pack .
I know those bastards are not cheap. Wife has the rav4 hybrid and loves it.
I had to have the battery replaced on mine and it was 900. If I had done it outside the dealer it would maybe have been 600.
 

roadtrasheer

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I had to have the battery replaced on mine and it was 900. If I had done it outside the dealer it would maybe have been 600.
Not as hateful as I thought.
She has a 10 year warranty on it .
That's her second rav4 . She drives a lot and wanted the hybrid. Runs awesome.
 

atlkvb

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No I wasn't even thinking about one . Can't afford a toy like that .
It's interesting because most EV buyers do not consider them "essential" to their overall transportation needs. Rather we find most buyers purchase EVs for the "novelty" of them or simply out of curiosity.

We do profiles of our typical EV purchasers and we find in our surveys most buyers tend to be single professional Women, or "DINKS" (dual incomes, no kids). Very few Moms with smaller kids are interested in EVs. They tend to prefer crossover small to mid sized SUVs to haul their crew around.

With men our buyers tend to be older Professional types with higher incomes. Many are Married but most already own ICE vehicles and see the EVs as their new "toy" , or they want to be the first within their professional circles to own one with all the bells and whistles merely to be the focus of conversation. Very few to none of our EV buyers are younger or of College age.

Again, few EV owners are of moderate or low incomes. Most buyers have incomes well into six figures, or at least very few other financial obligations which allows them to afford the additional expenses of EV ownership. If they rely on their vehicles to make their living or to travel, or they tend to take longer trips, they gravitate towards large SUV/ICE vehicles or pickup trucks.

There are always exceptions, but these tend to be the overall sales profiles of our EV purchasers. Ironically, there is a long wait list for our most popular EV...the Mustang Mach E. We're finding most Mach buyers want the vehicle for its outstanding performance and styling.





 
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It's interesting because most EV buyers do not consider them "essential" to their overall transportation needs. Rather we find most buyers purchase EVs for the "novelty" of them or simply out of curiosity.

We do profiles of our typical EV purchasers and we find in our surveys most buyers tend to be single professional Women, or "DINKS" (dual incomes, no kids). Very few Moms with smaller kids are interested in EVs. They tend to prefer crossover small to mid sized SUVs to haul their crew around.

With men our buyers tend to be older Professional types with higher incomes. Many are Married but most already own ICE vehicles and see the EVs as their new "toy" , or they want to be the first within their professional circles to own one with all the bells and whistles merely to be the focus of conversation. Very few to none of our EV buyers are younger or of College age.

Again, few EV owners are of moderate or low incomes. Most buyers have incomes well into six figures, or at least very few other financial obligations which allows them to afford the additional expenses of EV ownership. If they rely on their vehicles to make their living or to travel, or they tend to take longer trips, they gravitate towards large SUV/ICE vehicles or pickup trucks.

There are always exceptions, but these tend to be the overall sales profiles of our EV purchasers. Ironically, there is a long wait list for our most popular EV...the Mach 1. We're finding most Mach buyers want the vehicle for its outstanding performance and styling.





LOL. Everything else you said mya be true, but that car is ugly.
 

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LOL. Everything else you said mya be true, but that car is ugly.
Well the styling does appeal to chicks, however as I said most other male buyers want it for the performance. I've driven 'em, and it really does scoot along (especially the GT model). It takes some getting used to because there is no transmission, so when you stand on it while accelerating it almost instantly goes from zero to 60! I had it on the 285 perimeter around Atlanta, and when I go to pass someone there is no "kick" to it, you know like a passing gear? It just instantly picks up speed and when I glanced at the speedometer I was hummin' along @ 110mph while it felt like I was only doing about 30 mph! It is smooth & fast!!!!!!

It really is quite remarkable how smoothly it accelerates and handles and that's what's attracting buyers...at least the guys. The fact YOU think it's "ugly" tells me more about your feminine proclivities than the more masculine admiration for the performance characteristics most "real" men find desirable in this particular Pony. ;)
 

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Well the styling does appeal to chicks, however as I said most other male buyers want it for the performance. I've driven 'em, and it really does scoot along (especially the GT model). It takes some getting used to because there is no transmission, so when you stand on it while accelerating it almost instantly goes from zero to 60! I had it on the 285 perimeter around Atlanta, and when I go to pass someone there is no "kick" to it, you know like a passing gear? It just instantly picks up speed and when I glanced at the speedometer I was hummin' along @ 110mph while it felt like I was only doing about 30 mph! It is smooth & fast!!!!!!

It really is quite remarkable how smoothly it accelerates and handles and that's what's attracting buyers...at least the guys. The fact YOU think it's "ugly" tells me more about your feminine proclivities than the more masculine admiration for the performance characteristics most "real" men find desirable in this particular Pony. ;)
LOL. Still ugly. Plenty of other cars that perform better than that one.
 

atlkvb

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LOL. Still ugly. Plenty of other cars that perform better than that one.
Well isn't America's free market great enough that you get to have your own opinions of how it looks & purchase something else more to your own feminine desires while other chicks who like it are perfectly willing to spend their own money on it?

Performance wise it certainly isn't the baddest beast out there (we have plenty of buyers who still prefer the ICE 5.0 version) but again plenty of other Mach E buyers like quite well how it performs and are willing to drop major coin on it too.

None of those Mach E buyers either agrees with you or really gives a damn what you think, so there is that.
 

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I read a article this morning talking about insurance companies raising or refusing to insure EV's. Said it was due to the cost of battery replacement and high risk of fires . Wish I could copy and post .
My question is , has anyone run into this problem and does this include the hybrids? Didn't say anything about hybrids in the article.
My wife has a hybrid and we love it, but if the cost of insurance outweigh the savings in fuel then I need to sell or trade now to get ahead of it .
Thoughts or experiences....
get an old Mercedes diesel and pollute the air. Oh, and get liability insurance only. Cost pennies a year, you'll survive any accident, not get stranded, and you get to cause more climate change.
 

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get an old Mercedes diesel and pollute the air. Oh, and get liability insurance only. Cost pennies a year, you'll survive any accident, not get stranded, and you get to cause more climate change.
Those bad boys was tanks .
I worked with a guy a few years ago that had 3 Chevy chevett diesels. He loved them ...never understood that guy ...