... stop making excuses for Ash. We made a lot of excuses for him last year. I get it that he did not inherit a strong roster. He changed the style of play on offense, etc. Is this the year we see major improvement? Do we have to wait until next year to judge him (2018)?
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- Thread starter rurahrah000
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He is on a 5 to 7 year plan so judge each year based on that. This is tear two and so far recruiting is going well. If we can win 4 games this year while developing players that's part of the year two plan. Next year the standards go up another notch. Just relax.
The fact that we were in several games but couldn't close them is on the coaching staff. Moreover, we weren't 78-0 worse than Michigan. Furthermore, our offense was bad but I really don't think we had the worst playmakers in the country. The offense needs to improve this year. I understand there was a talent gap and switching the offense but I think Flood would've had a better season with the same team.
Holy impatience batman! The man hasn't even completed his first recruiting season. Store this post away for at least another 2 years before reposting.
Actually he's completing his 2nd recruiting class. But I agree, he deserves 2 more years for a true assessment.
Considering this his 2nd class is 100% b.s. come on now!
It sure is his 2nd class. Who's else is it ? Durkin at Maryland was hired the same exact time. How did he do with his 1st class? How is Durkin doing this year ? Why do you think Ash trailed him last year and this year in recruiting ?
I won't compare Ash and his first 2 recruiting cycles to Meyer, D'Antonio, or Harbaugh, but I do think the comparison to Durkin is a fair one.
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The only way Flood would have had a better season would have been if he somehow had been able to prevent the other teams from showing up for the games.
Don't consider 2012 Flood's class nor 2016 Ash's (other than "technically"). Sorry. IMHO your 1sr full-year recruiting cycle is where you begin to assess and, yes, Durkin is doing a better job right now. That being said, you and I both know, Durkin hasn't been nearly as hamstrung as the situation that Ash walked into. Let's be real.
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2016 Maryland Class
Four 4*, two of which committed after Durkin Started
Durkin signed 14 players after showing up for work on Dec. 2, two 4*, seven 3* and five 2*
2016 RU Class
0 4*
Ash signed 10 players after showing up for work on Dec. 9, six 2* and four 3*
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Does that make Durkin a better recruiter? On paper yes.
But there was a negative swirl around RU with the firing of Flood and Herman.
As far as this year, there is negative swirl around the 2-10 season.
But on the whole, Durkin was known to be an ace recruiter and he is living up to his reputation.
Want to see what next year looks like.
Four 4*, two of which committed after Durkin Started
Durkin signed 14 players after showing up for work on Dec. 2, two 4*, seven 3* and five 2*
2016 RU Class
0 4*
Ash signed 10 players after showing up for work on Dec. 9, six 2* and four 3*
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Does that make Durkin a better recruiter? On paper yes.
But there was a negative swirl around RU with the firing of Flood and Herman.
As far as this year, there is negative swirl around the 2-10 season.
But on the whole, Durkin was known to be an ace recruiter and he is living up to his reputation.
Want to see what next year looks like.
Durkin is a good recruiter but here is what people are missing. Edsall recruited ok at Maryland too. Not as good, but not bad either. Not Flood bad.
Unlike Ash, Durkin took over a talented team. And yet all he could muster was 6 wins. Actually, if Mary had our schedule they would have missed the bowls too.
Folks going ga ga over Mary and Durkin right now, but let's see where RU and Mary are at 3 years from now. My money is on RU and Ash.
Recruiting at Maryland is a different animal than Rutgers and the two situations aren't as similar as you think.
I think it's quite legitimate to ask the question. Nobody (at least I hope not) is saying fire ash. But to not look at his body of work as it is progressing is silly. You bet your a** that Hobbs is watching all the time. And he's not going to wait for 7 years to look at the record. If his recruiting class turned out to be worse than last year's (relax, I'm only hypothesizing) the red flags would be waving.
It's not a personal affront to Ash (or the program) to ask, comment, criticize, etc. Blind-eyed hero worship can only hurt. But feel free to defend, it's just in bad taste to do it by denigrating.
It's not a personal affront to Ash (or the program) to ask, comment, criticize, etc. Blind-eyed hero worship can only hurt. But feel free to defend, it's just in bad taste to do it by denigrating.
Last year was embarrassing. There's no reason to get worked by Illinois at home. 78-0 is absurd. That's worse than FCS teams do. Mehringer was horrible. Obviously, we need to give him time but OP was asking how long do we give him? Will you except no touchdowns for a month, again? 78-0 loses again?
No, he is completing his first recruiting class. He has been here just over 1 year.
How were we not 78-0 worse than Michigan? Even if you ignore the score, we were in that game for 10 minutes, and the rest of the time they had their way with us.
With that said, Ash has a long leash.
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then I would like to know those differences, and I don't know
all I can say is that it really stung when we lost a key NJ Bell to Maryland..... certainly we had
many of our NJ recruits, our coaching staff, home state fans imploring him to stay home, yet
the lure of Maryland won out
Most fans, as I do, think we should be on an even recruiting field with Maryland.... I need
someone to explain what they have, aside from a very good recruiting head coach, that
made the difference
ok course one recruit is not a big sample and maybe we should not read much into it....
Here's another option, and hear me out: Give Ash time to right the ship.
Would 78-21 have made a difference? To me it would have.
78-21 would have meant that we could at least score on their scrubs in the second half. Instead Mehringer employed his same crappy O, adjustment free, for another awful half of football as he did game after game. IMO this was the biggest problem last season and it surely cost us the close games.
We now have an OC that wears big boy pants and has coached in a big boy league for several years. I'd have to believe Kill understands football at this level is a game of adjustments. Mehringer just didn't seem to get that.
And yes, the players surely did check out at multiple points last season. Honestly you would too if you were told to run the same STUPID, UNSUCCESSFUL plays over and over again. IMO Mehringer was the problem and he is now blessedly gone along with the other junior cub scout Kuhr. Both were replaced by REAL experience. Improvement is almost inevitable.
It's also worth mentioning that Ash went out and hired these guys after only a year on the job which shows his willingness to admit mistakes and press for improvement of his own skills and talent as HC. Schiano searched for yes men right up to the bitter end. Ash bringing on experience he can consult with shows that when the ship is righted we will be able to move on to that next level that eluded us in Schiano's most successful campaigns.
OP please delete "rurahrah" from your handle and just go by 000. Let's look at what Ash has done since end of season. New OC and RB coaches..recruited area of need for special teams....upgraded roster. What are you missing? A healthy Grant and Gio add 2 Mitchell's to the field. If Ash was a stock big upside potential. Hey OP what handle do you go by on NJ.com?
Losing Bell stinks but we did get Fogg from Maryland. Ash can recruit, he just needs time.
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I had the same thought, but learned here that Fogg was more of a Jersey native and only
recently was in Maryland
Hmm how about a DMV area that has a culture of being proud to go to Maryland? How about full state support? How about UA money that has the ability to make it a trendy school for recruits?
Maryland recruited well before Durkin and will after. Durkin has a lot more to work with compared to what Flood left us. Do you even follow sports?
Right, flood would have had a better season last year. That I do agree with.
But flood would not have instilled this level of discipline. He would not have landed this recruiting class.
In 2018, the product ash puts out will be better than what flood would have done.
Flood set the program back several years.
Simmons may turn out to be a better player than Bell. He's actually a tough, alpha type player who is less concerned about showing off on social media. Time will tell.
Is this board being invaded by the Star Liar staff? One ******* year after inheriting one of the worst teams in Div 1 and these dumb ******* miscreants are polluting this board with their stupid dumb-*** posts? Why can't the mods get rid of these idiots, specifically the OP and the other recent moron Madchuck???
Just because this is a free and open board doesn't mean it should be allowed to be overtaken by enemies of RU who wouldn't know a football if it was rammed up their nostrils.
Just because this is a free and open board doesn't mean it should be allowed to be overtaken by enemies of RU who wouldn't know a football if it was rammed up their nostrils.
Agree with all of this.
As for Ash...we still have to keep in mind that last year was his first as the man in charge. Now, did he select a couple of coaches because they were young and that was what he wanted or was it because that was all could afford? The DM experiment was his biggest mistake and he didn't have any offensive background to fix it during the year. But year 2, Ash is rid of his 2 weakest coaches and replaced with true professionals. Also, once Grant went down, we had nothing.
I still am on the fence with Ash. This class is so much better then most classes we have had and that is with 2 wins. He has to be given a few years.
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Jesus, why the attitude?.... for your information, I have been a season ticket holder in both football and basketball since
the mid 70's....... and following our program closely, all along
I knew about the UA money because it has been discussed many times before here, but I fail to understand how that
money talks a NJ recruit away from us.... the culture stuff and full state support is just more of that, and I don't see Maryland as having a football culture like a Penn state, for instance
advice.... If you think you know the answer to a question, just answer it..... that is what I have been doing, as one of
the longest members here.....just try to be helpful..... I favor discussion over attitude every time
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If you are talking about 2017 - then that is totally FALSE - Rutgers at #7 in the B1G -
as of NOW - Monday Morning, January 30, 2017
This is the ranking associated with this site - Rivals For the 2017 Recruiting Class :
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2017/big10
This. If we go 2-10 or 3-9 over the next 2 seasons then we have something to really worry about.
Until then, chill Francis.
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my bad...... I pulled up rivals and it defaulted automatically to the 2016 class..... I see the 2017
is much better
thanks
Durkin landed 5 of the Top 10 Maryland Recruits this year. Has not been done in over 20 years.
Their Class is ranked #13 nationally right now. If Durkin keeps this going and Ash does not move improve In State New Jersey results the gap will widen and the RU win in '14 and the 1st Half effort of the '15 game will be a distant memory.