Let's hope it will be as successful as Goodale's. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Ash's Ten Year Plan
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Goodale had the 3rd best recruiting class in the country his very first year. His second year he won 20 matches. He has never had a losing season, his record at end of last season 161-62.
He was an immediate success as Head Wrestling Coach. A brilliant hire by Mulchay.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/ashs-ten-year-plan.165272/
He was an immediate success as Head Wrestling Coach. A brilliant hire by Mulchay.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/ashs-ten-year-plan.165272/
I don’t think ash is the guy,but man I hope I am wrong and he figures it out.
Here's a ridiculous hypothetical question . If you were to hire a high school football coach to take over to be the Head Coach of Rutgers, who would it be.
Art Brile coached running backs at Texas Tech for 2 years before being hired as head coach of Houston.
Notre Dame tried it w Gerry Faust, ,but it didn't work too well. D2 programs might be able to get lucky, but in the Big10 I don't think it would work.
I think the model of hiring a successful G5 (MAC, AAC, etc) Head coach is the better model. Syracuse did fine with Babers coming from Bowling Green.
Buffalo did great getting D3 Head Coach legend Leipold. Not all work out obviously, but I think the odds might be better than getting a Coordinator that has never been a Head Coach before. Of course some have been successful like Dabo Sweeny , Lincoln Riley and others, but they went into situations where those programs had success not long before they got there.
Schiano obviously eventually worked out great at RU, but he struggled mightily for the first 2 seasons, then started to see progress in years 3 and 4 with 5 and 4 wins respectively, Finally having a winning season in year 5.
If Ash doesn't show progress this year , w at least 4 wins, imo, the pressure on Hobbs is going to be pretty intense or risk the loss of more season tickets.
Rutgers Athletics needs to understand the theory of sunk cost.
Ash sucks.
Ash sucks.
If ash only wins 4 games he should be fired . In year 4 that is not progress and would only be seen as progress because years 1-3 have been awful. Kind of like a 400lb guy losing 5lbs, that’s technically progress too.
I don't totally disagree , but I think other factors would come into play if RU wins 4 games. Eg, how many season tickets were lost from 2018 season to 2019 season, did the offense show much improvement, were we competitive at all in conference games, especially against the non powerhouse teams, was the team better at the end of the year compared to September?
And most of all, can Hobbs get some donor help with the buyout?
A lot to consider.
Why did Flood suck? I always hear people talking like he was a joke. He was a damn good game coach. If you look at his record it's really not that bad. He had problems in recruiting but that's about it
When did we ever reach up and beat a decent team we really weren’t supposed to beat? Why did we lose to 3-9 UConn in 2013 and 3-9 Maryland in 2015? Why did we beat a total of 3 Bowl teams in 3 years from 2013-2015? Why did we ignore drug test results? Why he did meet with a TA off-campus then email ‘from his personal email to circumvent request laws’? ‘Just recruiting’? Isn’t the recruiting the lifeblood of a D1A P5 program?
Flood was a decent gameday coach but “damn good”? I’unno about that one.
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Ignore the wins. In 2003 or so the program was about to get cut... 30-40 "family members and friends" in the College Ave gym watching (or not watching) Rutgers wrestle Hofstra in a dirty old gym. In ten years he turned us into the 5th best draw in all of college wrestling with 3K season tickets sold and a home environment at the RAC that is constantly referred to by the B1G network and FLOW wrestling as hostile for opposing teams. John Smith flat out said, "we want to keep this one on the schedule".
Don't know if it was brilliant or lucky, but calling it a good hire is definitely an understatement.
Saying a college head football coach has problems in recruiting is like saying a chef has problems in the kitchen.
And another thing to add... Goodale marketed the hell out of the program and got NJ on board. He waved the banner like Schiano, and knew how to pump this thing up with the media. He, like Greg, gave the "I want to win national championships" speeches at a time where our best recruits were "at best" depth guys at top schools. He, like Pike, embraced RU.
Ash has done none of that, and that is one of my biggest issues with the guy. Hell, I shared those thoughts with Sarah this weekend. Told her flat out the guy doesn't come off as somebody who embraces this school so why the hell would a high school kid he is recruiting embrace it?
Ash has done none of that, and that is one of my biggest issues with the guy. Hell, I shared those thoughts with Sarah this weekend. Told her flat out the guy doesn't come off as somebody who embraces this school so why the hell would a high school kid he is recruiting embrace it?
Goodale has done an outstanding job but to suggest it is anything like Football is ludicrous. We were #9 because of 2 outstanding wrestlers who only have to worry about one opponent in front of them at a time. Not to say that’s easy to do but in Football you need 11 guys doing there job and the 11 guys on the other side are not just lined up Mano y Mano. In Football you need 45 championship caliber players. In hoops you need 8. Wrestling is 1 guy reaching the pinnacle. In our case we had 2 in one year which is a great year for RU and kudos to Goodale for the job he has done here.
Besides the 2 outstanding wrestlers Goodale has had multiple All Americans for 5 consecutive years, has been ranked in the top 20 for almost the last 5-7 years, has never had a losing record, and now has the 4th best drawing attendance in all of College Wrestling.
You don't all that with just 2 outstanding wrestlers. He has kids win All American honors 10 times now. His record is near remarkable. The only goal now is to beat out the powerhouses and win a Big10 Conference Title, which usually translates to a National Title.
Flood shouldn't be brought up anymore. Ash has been here long enough.....
So your saying our athletic department should buy one of these for football?
I think the athletic department has had one since Freddy g installed it .
Ash's 10 year plan is collecting checks from Rutgers for being stupid.
Brilliant
Wait until the new Coach arrives next season and says what the he## did I inherit.
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Ash could have inherited the 1996 Cornhuskers and he still would’ve sucked
Ash is about as a bad as a coach as they come. Other than his run at OSU, the guy has not done much. We destroyed his defense at Arkansas.
Good points . Ash also said at his introductory press conference “we need better players.”
What was Sarah’s reaction?
I've said this before but I don't think there's any significant difference between a coordinator into the P5 or G5 HC in to P5. I don't notice any significant difference in success/failure rates but obviously I haven't done a study on it lol. I don't have any issue with prior HC experience and it's perfectly logical to want it but I just don't see a difference between the two pools of candidates so I'm not a fan of limiting the scope of candidates.
Mullen went into Miss State as coordinator and that's no powerhouse. Patterson was a coordinator elevated at TCU and has been very successful. Same for Whittingham at Utah. Fitzgerald wasn't even that at Northwestern. All long tenured pretty successful coaches. Mike Leach was just a coordinator at OU for a year before taking over TT. There have been others but since you and others in the past have mentioned the status level of program being a concern I'm pointing out ones without the status. There are others but these are just off the top of my head. It's really just about the person and fit to situation and that's an inexact science.
I think what you are saying is that after at least a year as USC's OC, Graham Harrell would make a fine head coach at Rutgers. Or his old boss Seth Littrell would be a fine choice. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Rutgers is a unique place. I think you need a HC that had successful college head coach experience or a successful assistant guy that knows jersey like schiano. When you have neither, it could be a problem like ash. It doesn’t mean it can’t work, but I would rather not go down the ash road again .
Well you know I think Litrell would be a good potential candidate to HC somewhere. Harrell might be a little green maybe a few years as OC at USC. One thing though if you did take a risk on a little greener candidate like him you might have the room for a bigger budget at DC which I think would have helped KK at TT.
Edit: maybe a Jake Spavital at Texas State if he can do well there.
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Everyone thinks their place is unique, I don’t think there’s anything particularly unique about such and such place without status. Yes they may have some individual circumstances but they all have uphill battles. It’s really about acumen, fit, etc and that’s inexact like I said. Flood was from here it didn’t work out. Ash isn’t from here it’s not working out thus far. Other coaches are successful in areas not native to their backgrounds. So who’s to say who will and who won’t work.. again inexact.
Foolish comments like this always make me cringe. Flood was left with Schiano's NFL caliber talent. Flood left Ash with his sub-par recruits. You basically admit to this in your last sentence.
So to put it in perspective the termites already destroyed the structural beams but you couldn't see it yet since they were behind the walls.
And I don't recall many calling Flood a damn good or even good game day coach while he was here. Many were unhappy with how he ran the team but as long as they were winning many were willing to look past things.
What didn't he ruin?
He was handed a world class defense and decimated it within three years. He inherited Gary Nova and cast of borderline NFL players and promptly emptied the cupboard, completely. The only reason Rutgers wasn't a lot better between 2008-2014 was the OL was consistently bad...his area of expertise.
Hiring him was a colossal mistake. he's only at Bama because he's a former HC. And he's only a former HC because Barchi was intent on destroying the football program and we couldn't attract a decent hc to come into a declining revenue situation, with no institutional support. Think about how much better Cristobal ended up avoiding this mess. I'm sure Ash looks at the bank account and looks at his situation and wonders if it was worth it.
Nothing gets better until Barchi is gone. Babers wouldn't interview here because of him. many others felt the same, I'm sure. He just doesn't get what sports is in the 21st century. Because of that, we went cheap with Ash, force him to be cheap with all his assistant hires...we can't fire anyone even after 1-11, year three debacle.
What a mess. All because of one stupid, intellectual who thinks you play the same game at an ivy as you do at giant state university. Only at Rutgers.
To say that Flood is only at Alabama because he is a former Head Coach is silly. You think Nick Saban hires assistants like that? You don't think he asks all the other coaches he respects that has worked with Flood for their opinions? You don't think he looked at some film from when Flood was an O line coach ? You don't think he knows how many College linemen he coached went to the NFL or were good in college? Nick Saban does his homework, one way or another.
This is how I feel in a nutshell. The program is dead to me until Barchi is gone and I have no interest in speaking with Pat Hobbs either for that stupid fvcking contract he agreed to, IDGAS how other sports are doing, football is and always will be numero uno. We will have 15k people at our games AGAIN this year as we go down 3-4 TDs by halftime against anyone and everyone. It enrages me.
You think he's at alabama without being a hc? Based on the performance of what line he recruited and developed, exactly?
To say Saban doesn't have a proclivity towards hiring former HC's is like saying bellichik doesn't have a proclivity towards Rutgers players.
Flood decimated the program. to see it any other way is not being honest with what happened here.