Ash extended thru 2022 :
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Two of the worst performances in RU football history in Indiana and MSU and get an extension??
Gulp! Yikes!
Gulp! Yikes!
Probably a little cynical of me but I think this means that short of a complete collapse, Ash is here until the BIG money arrives in 2020/21. Even with the increase, Ash is still in the bottom three in the conference in salary. No fan (including me) wants to hear this but I think in the back rooms of Piscataway, they would trade three more 3-5 win seasons in exchange for erasing the $38M annual deficit. This small raise and extension give them a little cover and is a cheap investment in case Ash figures it out, especially on the recruiting trail.
"as the roster turns" my friends... the more Flood guys gone, especially at certain position groups, the better the O will become...you DO need to give the youth (see: 4 frosh WR's and a Soph TE) time to gain some experience, however, as there IS talent in that group already. Next: 2 stud QB's are added to the roster!
is not being used for this. That has ALWAYS been used for non revenue sports only. Basically anything not called Football and Basketball.
It is stunning that people don't understand these simple things.
Smart move IMHO. If Fleck can take a 9-4 Holiday Bowl winner, and turn them into a 5-7 afterthought in Year 1 - but get extended - so can Ash PLUS it shows kids that we ARE invested in righting this ship with this guy, now, and that's a plus in the eyes of high school kids.
I agree Nuts, but none of your patience translates to next year…it will be a difficult year offensively, maybe worse than this year.
Taxpayer money and all that doesn't come into play for me even though I'm against such moves. Although, you know if we ever have to fire a coach with 4-6M left on his contract all that kind of crap will be dredged up.
It's more I just find it a wasteful use of resources on a somewhat fairly large scale. That goes for schools with more money than us too.
Really my mind is thinking more limited resources and smart deployment of that capital whether it be in the present or saved for future opportunities. That kind of thinking is especially important for a school like us vs. these money bag schools.
It might be, or it might not be, way too early to tell at this point. Too many factors to say anything other than the schedule looks easier on paper.
Also, of the teams we play how many of their best players are returning or leaving? All of that needs to be factored in.
stupid. The offense went backwards from the year prior under Merhingher,which in itself is mind boggling. Recruiting is still bottom third of B10 and development of younger players this season was minimal at best.
Hopefully there is a low buyout.What has he done to warrant an extension,Ill hang up and get your answer off the air.
Hopefully there is a low buyout.What has he done to warrant an extension,Ill hang up and get your answer off the air.
Not much left after that list. We find ourselves with yet another QB controversy for next season and too many questions about who will be on the field. This is never a good recipe for success. We have to really win 6 out of the first 8 next year to consider being bowl eligible, Yikes!. The last four games in November are absolutely brutal and I do not see any of those games as being even close to a good chance of a win.
If - and of course this is totally an "if" - if a random bounce or two had gone in a favorable way in the EMU game and a couple of entirely possible "could haves" actually came through in the Nebraska game - RU could be sitting at 6-6, bowl bound and .... listening to how "That coach at Rutgers has totally turned things around and has them back in a bowl game - and now may be on several short lists for a new job"
Explain to me WHY?
OL - can't be worse; SHOULD get better
WR's - absolutely SHOULD improve
TE - Washington WILL only get better
QB - can't possibly play worse; SHOULD get better
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...which leaves RB. Blackshear/Sneed/??? BUT I'll say this: it would be really nice to see
Ash grab another 5th year RB transfer in the mold of Gus The Bus! That being said the layout of the schedule SHOULD allow for the O to get moving,, early, and get some much needed experience for some of these guys as well. Fingers crossed!
guess finishing last in offense in B10 earns an extension for the HC.? unreal.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/conferences/statistics/team/_/stat/total/year/2017/id/5
http://www.espn.com/ncf/conferences/statistics/team/_/stat/total/year/2017/id/5
As expected and the right move. Its how contacts work for college coaches. You either fire him or sign him. There is no in between.
From what I understand, Schiano is available
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You're right but I don't think it has to work like that, but no one really wants to challenge that conventional thinking.
I have been saying this is a complete five year rebuild since day one.
Anyone thinking otherwise doesn't get it
Two years ago, the coach inherited a roster that cannot across the board, match up and play 60 minutes or nose to nose football with
5 power programs
You just don't fix that...you need to recruit and develop players ...and that is a 5 plus year progress
We made progress This year ...and until we clearly stop making progress and regress, we need to have that ugly patience word understood. Let's look for more progress next year and a step forward ...and not put a number on it.
It's obvious when progress is and isn't being made
We made some from 2016 to 2017
Need more ...and got to give ash the chance to see it through
Our AD truly gets this ...which is huge
I have no problem with him getting an extension. I thought when Mulcahy gave Schiano an extension, after 2 years where he went 3-20, he was crazy. I've learned my lesson that people close to the situation know a lot more than people sitting in front of their computer giving uneducated opinions.
Premature. .should have waited a year...there are major warning signals
there will be tumbleweeds rolling thru the stadium with two more three to 4 win seasons,ticket sales would plummet to an all time low if that happened. Thats not including the fact RU would be on full blast in the media and NO real coach would ever take this job then to climb out of that crater.
You can have your opinion and that's fine but going by that logic no one would ever be fired and these large buyouts we continuously see shouldn't be happening because all those ADs were close to the situation and should've known better right?
When the sun is shining it's all hunky dory, it's when the rain comes everyone is running for cover. My thing isn't really about Ash it's about handling coaching contracts in what I think is a smart manner, smart allocation of resources and being prepared for that rainy day should it come. I just apply that thinking to everyone, including ourselves.
I don't base player development on should. I base it on what I see.
Barely went backwards (total O did, scoring O went up...), HOWEVER, and it stuns me how many of you continue to bring this up while completely ignoring the fact that both D and ST's got BETTER this year. Markedly better, actually, in some categories. Unfortunately a couple of our team rankings got crushed, the last 2 games (see: 3rd Down D Conv % dropped about 20 spots...but still bested last season). I'll be back with more later.
Special teams were still awful. ( See Washington and Indiana.)
Got extremely lucky with a graduate transfer punter who is now gone.
Little disingenuous to argue Special teams improved.
Out of Conference did worse. EMU loss.
B1G was not as good nor was Washington.
Can’t just ignore one third of season with fuzzy math.
If really being honest take out Morgan State as well.
Got extremely lucky with a graduate transfer punter who is now gone.
Little disingenuous to argue Special teams improved.
Out of Conference did worse. EMU loss.
B1G was not as good nor was Washington.
Can’t just ignore one third of season with fuzzy math.
If really being honest take out Morgan State as well.
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In reading the article it appears that this was essentially inevitable -
Ash's original contract - "assured he would have years added to his deal equal to the term of any NCAA sanctions placed on Rutgers as a result of an investigation preceding his arrival."
Now that the investigation has concluded and the sanctions established, the number of additional years are known with clarity.
So the original contract had this extender element already baked into it - - even if Hobbs had not made this move - and instead had decided to cut Ash loose, the price tag would be what ever remains of the original five years - plus the additional two years of sanction duration.
Ash's original contract - "assured he would have years added to his deal equal to the term of any NCAA sanctions placed on Rutgers as a result of an investigation preceding his arrival."
Now that the investigation has concluded and the sanctions established, the number of additional years are known with clarity.
So the original contract had this extender element already baked into it - - even if Hobbs had not made this move - and instead had decided to cut Ash loose, the price tag would be what ever remains of the original five years - plus the additional two years of sanction duration.
I think the defense got better and think can get even better provided the offense can provide some balance to it. Regardless of tempo, really think it's about sustaining drives, even if not scoring although obviously that would be helfpul. That's still a question mark for me, so we'll see if and how much they improve and is it enough.
In one of these threads I posted 1st downs and 3rd down %. It was ugly last year and just as ugly this year.
2016 186 first downs ranked 126 out of 128
2016 3rd Down % 30.8 ranked 123 out of 128
2017 165 first downs ranked 129 out of 130
2017 3rd Down % 31.7 ranked 117 out of 130
Ohhhh okay I see, gotcha! So kids never "should" get better as they move from frosh to sophs to juniors to seniors. Makes sense!
Star Liar article and editorials complaining about the Rutgers football coach being the highest paid public employee in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... GO!
P.S. Not for nothing folks, but Rutgers DID finish with a better conference record than Indiana, Illinois, Maryland or Minnesota and the same record as Nebraska. And Rutgers is starting at a distinct disadvantage facilities wise compare to those teams since they all have had the advantage of B1G money.
I think some folks are forgetting what a huge step up in competition Rutgers took from the American Conference to the B1G East. Patience, my friends.
P.S. Not for nothing folks, but Rutgers DID finish with a better conference record than Indiana, Illinois, Maryland or Minnesota and the same record as Nebraska. And Rutgers is starting at a distinct disadvantage facilities wise compare to those teams since they all have had the advantage of B1G money.
I think some folks are forgetting what a huge step up in competition Rutgers took from the American Conference to the B1G East. Patience, my friends.
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So then it's not really about optics, recruiting or anything even if that's PR for it or side effect, it was basically required.
Kind of curious about what Hobbs would've done had it not been required then.
They'll get better if they're any good. If they aren't B!G 10 players they'll get better but not relative to whom we line up against.
If our OL remains the same, and we replace only Miller…take it to the bank, the OL will struggle
Obviously we don't know what Hobbs would have done if the extension was not required by the original contract (which Hobbs agreed to).
But considering it is rare for a football coach to go into a season with less than 4 years remaining on his contract, and that would put him at a disadvantage recruiting-wise, I think it is safe to assume that Hobbs would have given Ash at least a 1 year extension.
The reality is that Hobbs was not going to fire Ash at the end of this season, nor make comments indicating that Ash is on the hot seat if he underperforms next season. I also think it is unlikely that Hobbs fires Ash at the end of next season, unless Ash only manages 2 wins combined with a ton of blowouts.
If Hobbs had given Ash a 1 year extension this year, and does not fire Ash next year, then he would give Ash another 1 year extension, which puts us into the same position that we're in now.
So the only real risk is if Hobbs decides he wants to fire Ash next year, and I'm guessing Hobbs has already decided that is not likely.
Oh there were definitely optics and recruiting considerations in this - publicizing it is a symbolic vote of confidence - Hobbs chose to make the formal & public action (and update various language)
- realistically, he did not need to take any action he was not 'required' to do anything.
Hobbs did not have to draft a 'formal extension' - The basic specification factor of the financial obligation was already baked in to the original language - but the exact number of years were not originally specified because they were not known at the outset.
I agree I think a Minnesota Fleck like move may have happened but even that I think is better after next year. I expected him to give Ash 4 years regardless of on field results. Even in your worst case scenario for year 3 I'm not sure he would have been let go. Frankly I'm okay with that, give a coach 4 years to get all his players in.
It's just the conventional "wisdom" of this at least 4 year thing in perpetuity that bothers the hell out of me and don't see it as all that wise, especially because I'm a fan of a school with less resources. I don't see the necessity for it. Extensions off short term results aren't any better either.
Just look at that Colorado coach who I know some have pointed to as see what happens when you're patient. I don't argue about the patience but it's a perfect example of short term results. Crappy 3 years then great 4th and then now in the 5th year below average again and not even a bowl and last place in their division.
ADs should take these kind of things into account and not go overboard when good stuff happens if consistency hasn't been proven yet. That kind of result MAY deserve something but don't go crazy painting yourself into financial corner.