Ash extended thru 2022 :
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Awesome!! Well deserved after doubling his win total for the year and winning 3 conference games. Congratulations Coach Ash, keep up the great work!
This is a bit premature! Hope they have the buyout $$$ in 2 years saved if necessary.
Ugh. I know the argument for recruiting, but he still had 3 years on the clock. You could have easily extended him halfway through next year after seeing if we made improvement.
Really good news. He showed improvement and it will only get better from here on out. I think we will go bowling next year.
In the cutthroat business of recruiting, when it comes to high end players that want to come here, you just know that other HCs were telling those kids not to go to Rutgers because Ash won't last much longer. This extension helps kill all of that talk and hopefully allows us to sign more IMG type of recruits.
In the cutthroat business of recruiting, when it comes to high end players that want to come here, you just know that other HCs were telling those kids not to go to Rutgers because Ash won't last much longer. This extension helps kill all of that talk and hopefully allows us to sign more IMG type of recruits.
We’re going to go bowling next year, some how between now and the season opener in 2018 we’re going to find an offense..amazing
This statement has nothing to do with Ash’s extension, I’m happy for him and the program.
We just don’t have the players, and we damn sure won’t in one year
Ash coached his first two seasons on a signed Memorandum of Agreement -- this represents his first official contract -- that assured he would have years added to his deal equal to the term of any NCAA sanctions placed on Rutgers as a result of an investigation preceding his arrival.
Wow, that does sound fair and prescient of his agent. It goes without saying that if RU manages a breakout season, he'd become a desirable candidate for any job. Also, that salary rate would be a steal towards the end of the deal.
But what happens if he goes 3-9 or 4-8 next year? Everyone's saying we made major strides this season, but we still lost to Eastern Michigan at home and broke numerous records for bad offense. There are red flags for sure.
I get that we need to stand by him and give him his time, but isn't 3 more years enough? Now if he drops an egg next year, and can't improve after 3 years on the job -- we're going to have to buy out 4 years.
The typical Rutgers thing to do.
Would've been much better renegotiating after next year.
Would've been much better renegotiating after next year.
Excellent move. Many fans, including myself, were patient with Ash's predecessor, who received an extension. Ash has many facets of the program (recruiting, facilities, strength/conditioning, nutrition, APR, discipline, Defense, Special Teams) trending up. We all know the offense needs work, and compare with Minnesota, which has a similar, if not worse QB situation (https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...tuation-is-bad-starter-leaves-program.135138/ ). Ash is learning on the job, and the wish list for next year is a QBs coach and less conservative, more gutsy play calling.
Not premature once you see a coach is the real deal lock him in now. He will be RUTGERS
Like I've said we'd be no different than any of these other schools handing out big contracts/extensions if faced with the same situation. All ADs are the same and hand out money/extensions like candy.
All the risk on the school all the benefits to the coach. If they're good they can leave without much recompense most of the time, if they're bad you're stuck paying them multi millions.
Rolling 3 year contracts with a win threshold after the initial contract is as far as I'd go or a contract with minimal guarantees say like 25% of the amount left on the contract. Most of the time contracts are either fully or majority guaranteed and under those circumstances not a fan of the move.
All the risk on the school all the benefits to the coach. If they're good they can leave without much recompense most of the time, if they're bad you're stuck paying them multi millions.
Rolling 3 year contracts with a win threshold after the initial contract is as far as I'd go or a contract with minimal guarantees say like 25% of the amount left on the contract. Most of the time contracts are either fully or majority guaranteed and under those circumstances not a fan of the move.
Zap, you keep harping on this, but are you going to deny our WRs were all freshmen? Our QB situation was not good. Compare us with Minnesota, and the results are similar.
We simply don’t have the players on OL, the backfield QB or WR to have a competent offense
That's the thing he could have had a breakout year, say we made a bowl with 6 wins, this year and I still wouldn't be a fan of the move. I don't like long term commitments off short term results. Mike London won 8 IIRC in his 2nd year at UVA got a nice extension and bump only to never sniff that again and they were stuck with him longer than they would have liked. Look at Sumlin, who I think is a good coach, and his first year with Manziel. Never came up to it again. I want to see consistency before handing out long term commitments.
Not really, just look at what Minnesota did with Fleck. It's not an RU thing, it's wasteful AD thing that is rampant across the country.
OL- somewhat agree.
Backfield-- really? Blackshear looks promising for next year. There's Sneed, Snorweah, and some good recruits coming in.
QB- biggest area of concern. Someone other than Gio needs to emerge. Lewis' sample size is too small to write him off (Lamar Jackson's first game was a big disaster too).
WRs- @gef21 (a football coach) says they are getting better (all freshman). Hope Harris moves back. He has been productive at WR.
I find it hard to believe that Harris plays football next year, thinking he goes baseball 100% gets drafted, and fully guaranteed baseball contract.
Highlights everything that is wrong with the spending spree associated with college athletics. Until the TV revenue equation changes I guess this continues unchecked. Rutgers is a mere pawn at this point and anyone who thinks he has shown enough to “earn” an extension is just being overly optimistic. All about recruiting i guess but I think kids and other schools see right through this so the tangible benefit is minimal. I hope he turns out to be the guy but this could very well just be throwing good money away.
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This.
The Schedule next year is the easiest since we have been in the B1G and the easiest for the foreseeable future. With an Offense that might actually be worse than this year getting to 6 Wins will be a challenge.
The Extension was made as a signal to reassure future recruits and surely not based on Ash’s performance.
As others have said , surprised this Extension was not made at the end of next year...it’s not like we have a stellar class coming in this February.
You'd think seeing all these ridiculous buyouts would make some ADs take a step back and think but nope they all just join in the fray. What's worse it actually seems like they're even going more overboard.
Sumlin's contract buyout was in the vicinity of 10M to be paid within 60 days and Graham's is around 11M. You think the figures are what's crazy? Well yes but that's not even the worst part. I read they're no offsets should they take another job. Can you imagine, the schools are basically on the hook for all of it whether they get another job or not. You'd think the pendulum is already far enough in the coaches' direction and ADs are pushing it even further. It's just ludicrous.
I've already gone into the my whole tiered pyramid, school status, limited scholarships, playing time recruiting thing so I don't even think these extensions impact recruiting as much as other think on its face.
You need a powerful back in the B1G than can push the pile on 3rd and 2, take the ball inside the tackles 20 times and wear out the defense…that's Kill's offsnse.
Blackshear is anything but that, Snead is small and slow, Snorweah get no reps…and a true freshmen with promise
The WR routes got significantly better but their move off the lines are still not B10 ready. They also see the windows late, and with our QBs seeing things a bit late, it is not a good combination. They have legit speed they just need to get quicker feet, and learn to run their routes better.
Most routes in college are choice routes reading the defense. This takes time to develop.
Yes, I am not sure where the “easy schedule” comes from for next year. We trade Washington for Kansas, but Wisconsin/Northwestern are much harder than Nebraska/Purdue.
Maybe I am missing it, but does Wisconsin have such a RB? Seems they rely pretty heavily on Taylor. That said, they have a punish OL that creates gaping holes, something RU does not have.
terrible terrible move by the school, absolutely unwarranted given his performance and we will be buying him out in the future
I like Ash. I really do. I just don’t think you extend him now. I would have waited until the end of next season. 2018 could go either way for us.
I don't understand you guys. For a decade I've read we don't do things the right way. Why can't our AD's act like everyone else in football. Now when we finally do you complain that we are finally doing what everyone else does.
Never complained about that, nor money always thought we offered enough. Never complained about recruiting rankings either. It's one of those like your parents use to say everyone jumps off a bridge are you going to as well.
Copy the smart things fine, copy what I consider not so smart things....I'm not a fan.
There is no doubt you are against the practice of extending guys for optics. You have stated it repeatedly for years.
Yes lol, I repeat things a lot with the hopes it flows into the general board conscious, not because I love typing the crap out over and over. Look how many people still say Kill hasn't called plays in over 20 years despite how often I've corrected that notion.
The thing if it's just optics and minimal financial liability I'm fine but that's not usually the case. The other thing is I'm not sure how much optics really impact anything in practice. Sounds good in theory but not sure it matters as much in reality.
I'm probably in the minority now but say we made a bowl I'd likely be in a minority of 1 or 2...maybe. The fans are always okay with it until it goes awry. The complaint never comes at the time of the extension it comes at the time when they want their coach gone and how stupid the AD was for this and that, how could they be so dumb blah blah...And in the converse if the coach is good how often does it stop them from leaving? On occasion but not often.
Have you seen the 4 SEC coaches fired and their buyouts? Sumlin is due $10,000,000 within the next 60 days.
Sometimes (most of the time) fans just can't see the forest for the trees. This thread is a perfect example.
It is NOT the taxpayers' money. The money comes from athletics.
WTF?? Taxpaper's money? Football doesn't use any Taxpaper's money.
Money comes from tickets, parking, Merch, and TV deals with BTN, FOX and ESPN and finally DONORS.