Won one CWS game out of five in the last two appearances and in BR that don't cut it although they surely have modulated their expectations a bit since the skip/smoke transition. Won't be this year because the bad pub from firing a coach that just went to omaha would be brutal. Next year though the tigahs have to replace a ton of starters and while they tend to just 'reload' they could still be facing a drop off and that might present the opportunity to make a change. Just for the sake of conversation, if our situation does not improve and mainieri wears out his welcome in BR, might we be interested in him?
Are mainieri's days numbered at LUS?....
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Mainieri won his conference at ND 4 times and made cws 1 time. At lsu, he's won sec 3 times, sec tourney 5 times, been to cws 4 times, and national champs 1 time.
Sorry, but mainieri is better than Cohen
Since '95, mainieri has won less than 40 games only 3 times (1 was his first year at lsu) and hasn't had a losing record.
Sorry, but mainieri is better than Cohen
Since '95, mainieri has won less than 40 games only 3 times (1 was his first year at lsu) and hasn't had a losing record.
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Great regular season teams and loses as a favorite every postseason. I guess he can now say he actually won a game in TD Ameritrade though. Only 2 wins behind Cohen in that stadium now in 3x the appearances. His saving grace is the team Smoke Laval and Les Miles recruited for him that actually had swag and hadn't fully inherited his personality. Mainieri is a crybaby and his teams have taken on his personality. They are extremely talented and they ride that talent until the chips are truly on the table, then they crumble and fold. This has been evident to me ever since Butch literally made him cry in the 2012 SEC tourney -- and Graveman literally made him cry in Starkville the next year. National seed 4 straight times -- one single win in Omaha in a program that won 5 titles in 16 years prior to his arrival.
2015 - National seed. Stupid easy regional matched with an easy super. Get to Omaha and get embarrassed by Schlossneagle twice. But do manage to beat a Fullerton team that wasn't supposed to be there this year.
2014 - National seed. Easy regional yet get booted from home by Houston.
2013 - National seed. Don't remember who they had in regionals and supers. Get to Omaha and go 2 and Q.
2012 - National seed. Don't remember regionals. Get sent packing by Stony Brook in a home super regional.
2011 - Screwed by NCAA to miss postseason with what at the time was the highest RPI snub in the modern era I believe.
2010 - Go on the road to Cali. Go 1-2 and don't make regional title game.
6 years. One win in Omaha. That might cut it at MSU. We'll see how long it lasts in Baton Rouge.
Last 6 years record in CWS ..
Cohen 3-2 60% Played in 1 NCS
Mainieri 1-4 20% Played in 0 NCS
What mold is that? "The obsessive-compulsive lineup rotation"?
or the "Start Top 10, finish dead last in the conference mentality?"
or the "Lose 1 game to a SWAC opponent and forget how to play baseball complex"?
Tend to agree, LSU baseball is similar to AL football in that due to the tradition and overall stature of the program that even a very mediocre coach can have a lot of success there.
I already told you the answer to that in this thread.
Correct. His 3rd year. Meaning he only had about 1.5 classes on campus. The team crashed and burned by LSU standards in 2010 highlighting the extent the 09 title team was carried by JRs and SRs...
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This thread is hilarious. Lsu is an easy job but anything can happen once supers start. I mean a 4 seed won the cws one year. So
To criticize a guy for his cws record makes no sense. Plus his record at notre dame. How have they done since he left?
To criticize a guy for his cws record makes no sense. Plus his record at notre dame. How have they done since he left?
This thread is for the Cohen lovers to say how much Mainieri sucks
and how Cohen is much better. It's pretty funny. I would take Mainieri in a heartbeat. He is one of the top coaches in college baseball. Gets to the CWS every other year and has won a national title. What more do you want in a coach?
and how Cohen is much better. It's pretty funny. I would take Mainieri in a heartbeat. He is one of the top coaches in college baseball. Gets to the CWS every other year and has won a national title. What more do you want in a coach?
Add me to that list. IF we have to replace Cohen, I for one would like to go with a younger guy anyway.
I wouldn't have a problem with his age. Are you mad about the howland hire? Howland is 58. Mainieri is 57
Why did that "anything" never seem to happen to Skip?
It absolutely makes sense to base a job at LSU on postseason success. It's where the bar has been set.
Oh, and "luck" is a cop out.
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Actually, my REAL point was to troll msstate7 with the one stat where Cohen leads Mainieri .. just to see if he would take the bait and run.
Worked 'better than a mister twister into the shade of a big willow tree'
I guess so. I said mainieri is a good coach and won a natty. You replied that he didn't recruit that team. I take that as mainieri isn't a good coach.
How about comparing mainieri and Cohen that we use this year? Both coaches recruited both teams. How about overall record? Sec record? Sec titles? Sec tournament titles? Supers? Cws? National titles? Head-to-head? Really the only stat where Cohen beats mainieri is biscuit's...
Nah, they were good. Just not bertman good. We've had inferior baseball coaches then them for a while
What's wrong with O'Sullivan? Too intense? He looks like a younger, fiery version of Ron Polk. The guy's record is impressive.
Skip was good not doubt and.....
He probably would be successful today but I doubt he would rack up the insane numbers he did in the 90s today for a couple of reasons.
1) His timing was impeccable. He came along at just the perfect time. He fell into an untapped gold mine right before the rise of college baseball in the SEC. I give him credit. He went to a state that had a ton of baseball talent but a school that didn't care about baseball and made em care. He woke a sleeping giant that wreaked havoc before everybody else came up to speed. He took the blueprint Ron Polk played around with and actually built the mansion. That level of disparity does not exist today.
2) Gorilla ball. To his credit, he invented gorilla ball and was so far out front of everybody else with it that he was able to take multiple NCs by sheer brute force. But gorilla ball does not exist anymore and likely never will.
I think that's why skip hung it up when he did. He knew that changing times meant the success he once had could not continue at that pace. That's not a bad thing, just the way life works. Our 'legend' didn't catch on quite so easily.
He probably would be successful today but I doubt he would rack up the insane numbers he did in the 90s today for a couple of reasons.
1) His timing was impeccable. He came along at just the perfect time. He fell into an untapped gold mine right before the rise of college baseball in the SEC. I give him credit. He went to a state that had a ton of baseball talent but a school that didn't care about baseball and made em care. He woke a sleeping giant that wreaked havoc before everybody else came up to speed. He took the blueprint Ron Polk played around with and actually built the mansion. That level of disparity does not exist today.
2) Gorilla ball. To his credit, he invented gorilla ball and was so far out front of everybody else with it that he was able to take multiple NCs by sheer brute force. But gorilla ball does not exist anymore and likely never will.
I think that's why skip hung it up when he did. He knew that changing times meant the success he once had could not continue at that pace. That's not a bad thing, just the way life works. Our 'legend' didn't catch on quite so easily.
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It is not an "all things equal" equation. Which is my point. It's not even remotely equal. Might as well say Mullen is greatly inferior to Richt while we are at it...
Bertman made it unequal. Smoke and mainieri have maintained it. It's not like it's lsu's birthright. Usc has the most cws titles and stinks now. Ray tanner had usce a powerhouse, but they fell off.
No, the ncaa and state lotteries made it unequal. Population demographics made it unequal. USCe "stinks now" because they had one bad year? That prettywell sums up your mindset in a nutshell. One year snapshots do not define programs. ESPECIALLY in baseball.
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Yet, mainieri is the cry baby according to most our fans...
Is it fair? Nah, but om has pretty consistently hosted regionals for a decade under the same limitations as us.
Not "according to most of our fans". According to everyone that has bothered actually watching more than one or two of their games and paid attention to him under adversity.
Yeah -- when Polk quit recruiting and they had free reign on a limited talent pool. But I missed where anyone said they wouldn't like to host more regionals -- or where they said that our current production level is our ceiling -- or that they were happy with where we are at today. Want to point me to that one?
In the past 5 years, we've been to the same number of regionals as OM. Same number of CWS as OM. Deeper in the CWS than OM. Won a tournament title they haven't. Been to 2 SRs to their 1. And have seen us take over a couple of the recruiting pipelines that have provided their players for years now. But let's aspire to be them**
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