AP Poll

[btango]

The AP included Charlotte Christian in the 3A poll. They are a private school. I am fine with including them but why put them at number 8 when they beat the number 2 team?

If Christian wins the state title, NCISAA, they will play (I think) eleven games. Two playoffs and nine game regular season. Hard to compare what a team would do going through a 16 game gauntlet in 3A. Enrollment wise the privates are most likely closer in size to a 1A school. Not fair to the 1A schools to include them especially as they have fought the charter / urban magnet issue much more than any other classification. Probably best to have a private school poll.

With that said, I guarantee you that Christian can play with any team in the state, 1A through 4A, and be in it to win it at the end. Would have some depth issues over a season. They are for real and no joke.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/high-school/article218621400.html

 

[downlo]

The AP included Charlotte Christian in the 3A poll. They are a private school. I am fine with including them but why put them at number 8 when they beat the number 2 team?

If Christian wins the state title, NCISAA, they will play (I think) eleven games. Two playoffs and nine game regular season. Hard to compare what a team would do going through a 16 game gauntlet in 3A. Enrollment wise the privates are most likely closer in size to a 1A school. Not fair to the 1A schools to include them especially as they have fought the charter / urban magnet issue much more than any other classification. Probably best to have a private school poll.

With that said, I guarantee you that Christian can play with any team in the state, 1A through 4A, and be in it to win it at the end. Would have some depth issues over a season. They are for real and no joke.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/high-school/article218621400.html

That tells you how much people are really paying attention to the rules. I think they got there because of Max Preps Rankings in the state. Your right they don’t belong in that ranking no matter who they beat. As other states do it, if your private you can’t be ranked in a Public school rankings especially if you don’t play them. Who care anyway all that matters at the end of the day is who raises the Trophies in the end.

 

[btango]

Some states the privates and publics play together. PA, Ohio, Louisiana, Florida, California and some others.

 

[downlo]

Some states the privates and publics play together. PA, Ohio, Louisiana, Florida, California and some others.

Agreed most play together, but NC has a division just for Private schools. Charlotte Catholic is private but they play all public schools and is in a conf with Public schools, Christian isn’t that’s is what the point of the reply was.

 

[remotecougar_rivals95649]

Btango

I think Christian played us better last year but lost. I think we got the better of them this time and lost. It is a funny game. Turnovers hurt us this year and them last year. I think at the end of of a year we will be much better then they are as we are deeper and we tend to improve more then most through the season.

 

[btango]

Agreed most play together, but NC has a division just for Private schools. Charlotte Catholic is private but they play all public schools and is in a conf with Public schools, Christian isn’t that’s is what the point of the reply was.

Yes. Christian is in the NCISAA.

Depending on scheduling Catholic will play as many as two or three games against the Charlotte Big 4 private schools. Some of the non NCHSAA privates play publics and vice versa to fill their schedule.

 

[btango]

remote, That is what I heard from the Catholic staff. That is two quality teams where a mistake will often determine the outcome.

 

[CharlieBum]

Throw any school in with the privates that has the words "charter", "academy" "of the", "Christian", "prep" and "technology" anywhere in their name as far as im concerned.

Why a school that has no boundaries, or districts, as the counties like to call them gets to compete with those that do is beyond my knowledge.

 

[btango]

Throw any school in with the privates that has the words "charter", "academy" "of the", "Christian", "prep" and "technology" anywhere in their name as far as im concerned.

Why a school that has no boundaries, or districts, as the counties like to call them gets to compete with those that do is beyond my knowledge.

With the NCHSAA regulation last year allowing students to transfer to a non "home district" school and play sports immediately the waters are much more murky now. I think in time a student will be able to move between schools freely playing whatever sports they wish. The wishes of the right and left are running side by side in a way that is going to make the "small town" athletic teams a thing of the past in all but the most isolated areas. Add to this the liberal tort / lawsuit policies and the number of lawyers looking to make a buck or a name for themselves and the pile gets deeper and more smelly.

There has been a push to separate 1A schools in all non football sports into two categories for the playoffs. Traditional and Non Traditional which would be made of charters, magnets, and any schools that are of a similar makeup that are in the 1A classification. Here is the biggest problem, how do you define "traditional" because if the definition is basically that a school's athletes are limited to a set geographical boundary and are only from "their" community then there will be very few schools in the "Traditional" category.

Another item that would need to be determined is how to count students that are off campus (early college, tech magnet, et al) that are allowed to play sports at their "home district" or any other school.

Something going forward for football, if a school drops football and players go to the other school how do you count the previous school enrollment.

With the current rule to transfer schools one time and sports immediately allowed by the NCHSAA in place does any of this really matter?

 

[remotecougar_rivals95649]

Here is another thing that is often overlooked.. there are some schools that have huge geographic boundaries and some with small boundaries. Does the school with a large geographic boundary have an advantage.. Has anyone provided any basis to support the assertion that a large geographic boundary is an advantage. The argument appears intellectually dishonest.

In the case of the parochial schools, they pull most of their students from the catholic population. Since the number of catholics as a percentage of the population is 3% to 5% of the population, how big of a boundary do you need to fill your student body. Lets use a figure that 90% of the students are catholic that attend a parochial school. It is reasonable and conservative to suggest the smallest boundary would be at least 10X the area of a typical boundary. For sure an argument could be made for even a larger boundary. Since this level of commute is unthinkable I think many of you are missing the boat with this argument. There are reasons that a parochial school could have an unfair advantage, such as when the school no longer serves its parochial mission and starts to function more like a private school then a parochial/public school. Everyone focuses on the boundary and tuition and have never done the investigation to realize that a parochial school is more like a pubic school then a private school in the way they serve the community.

 

[btango]

I don't think Catholic is the focus of this post.

I do believe that Catholic should require all athletes to be a member of the Diocese for two years before they play sports. If they move from another area where they are a member of the local Diocese they can play immediately. In my opinion this would be the only required boundary, the Catholic Church. Driving time and tuition in Meck County and Raleigh are enough to curb a lot of thoughts of attending Catholic or Cardinal Gibbons.

Bishop McGuiness playing 1A sports is an issue and there is no doubt that a lot of the girls that played on their nine straight state 1A championship teams were most likely not long standing members of the Catholic Church.

 

[remotecougar_rivals95649]

Btango

you are now getting to the fairness issues in intellectual way that makes sense. However, I am sure that I disagree about all athletes having to be in the Dioceses for two years. There are several reasons for my objection. 1. This would effectively restrict sports participants to only catholic kids which goes against the mission of a parochial school. 2. There would be a lot of players who could and would transfer from public school that are in the dioceses that would not be restricted to the transfer rule. Catholic would no doubt benefit greatly form this.

I do appreciate the discourse presented in a useful way. I do believe that measuring the enrollment of a parochial school and the make up of students as a % of catholics and then comparing it to the same % of athletes playing sports is a good thing. I also like the transfer rule that applies as it makes transfers about going to the school first and playing sports second.

 

[CharlieBum]

Plenty of schools I reference to. Catholic being one but definitely not the only one. It seems half of 1a is this type of school now...

 

[remotecougar_rivals95649]

Charlie

To your credit you did say this issue was beyond your Knowledge..

 

[CharlieBum]

Charlie

To your credit you did say this issue was beyond your Knowledge..

I'll be the first to admit that. Others should admit that it creates a disadvantage to other teams as well though

 

[remotecougar_rivals95649]

I'll be the first to admit that. Others should admit that it creates a disadvantage to other teams as well though

Charlie, I think I provided some insight where it there could be an advantage why the arguments that you make about geographic boundaries are simply incorrect. If you have some real basis to share I am all ears, otherwise slurping that argument puts you risk of being identified as in the intellectually devoid rednecks crowd led by mountie.

 

[CharlieBum]

Ok... Catholic aside, because I am uninformed of how their system works, you agree that schools with no districts, or boundaries, have an advantage against schools who do? Play them non-conference or endowment all day but placing them in the same conference and in the playoffs as those who are limited by boundaries makes no sense.

 

[remotecougar_rivals95649]

Ok... Catholic aside, because I am uninformed of how their system works, you agree that schools with no districts, or boundaries, have an advantage against schools who do? Play them non-conference or endowment all day but placing them in the same conference and in the playoffs as those who are limited by boundaries makes no sense.

Charlie as I posted before geographic boundaries vary from school to school, county to county. There has never been any basis to support your statement. Thus, the position you take is an uniformed opinion, which is not worth much. The issue seems to be about recruiting not the size of the geographic boundary.

Sometimes I think posters believe equal opportunity means equal results. You can give five groups a million dollars and some groups will do more with it.