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univky12

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The problem with bringing up anything related to the KSR site, is that you never know which of those who "love" the site and radio show are actually KSR staffers using burner accounts.

Like has been done in the past.
 

wccat

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Time for the staff to get younger. Good job in bringing in Lucas
BREAKING: Barbee to the Nicholasville Road McDonalds...

As an assistant? LOL!
 

wccat

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Maybe Cal and his staff got a little to 'comfortable' and not hungry enough as Tubby use to say. Cal said that 'we eat first' but guess they took that literally.
 

Calsarmy

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It actually was OA brother that was the problem. Our own head coach could say the same.
Barbee and Justus need to go. Bring in OA and Rose and lets get back to winning some Championships
 
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Dablueman

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Media loves Justus bc he is everyone’s source. Problem is he loves to prematurely _____________ and post something on Twitter and then proceed to bungle the recruitment and lose to another school. I’m sure he’s a nice enough guy and has some coaching ability but the narrative that he’s a stud recruiter is false. There’s no second place in recruiting. Im actually surprised cal has kept him around this long.
Great opener not a great closer in other words. Dont think he pushes for the commitment
 

Wildcats1st

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Id love Antigua back.. because it basically shows us Cal is willing to make the right changes and is following through.

But I also don't know if Antigua or even Payne are some sort huge fixes that the fans think we desperately need. I certainly hope they are. But there's a chance these guys come back and things don't change as much as we hope. I think this forum has built up Payne/Antigua to lofty levels, in an attempt to pinpoint why and where Kentucky and Cal went wrong.

But id absolutely welcome him back. Not trying to be a pessimist.

im ok with Antigua but it wouldn’t show us much bc he is one of the cal loyalists. It only would show us Cals preference is to recycle assistants.
 
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Good Lord Kyle Tucker is stupid.He just posted that Justus may take another job and it will be a blow to UK's recruiting!!!

Pretty sure this is it. Imo was practically done when jai came on board.

Glad to see him go. Mediocre all the way around. Plus Need a coach great at player development to replace the kp void.
 
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Wildcats1st

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You guys do know that JJ was the lead recruiter for guys like De Aron Fox, Bam, Maxey et al so he’s not exactly chopped liver. The others? I really don’t know what their duties are. We need somebody toughening up the guys on the inside. Thru all this late recruiting and portal sniffing, I’ve yet to see one guy that can be an enforcer, a leader, a vocal captain on the floor. Oscar is an enforcer but he’s more like a silent assassin

it’s not like Justus goes away and we start ending up with scraps. He may have been the lead recruiter but they didn’t come to play for Justus. I mean maybe with another legit assistant/lead recruiter we land Zion and more. If Justus goes away someone will fill his role and will do just as well or better. Btw maybe it hurts us a little with guys who already list UK and have a relationship with them but if you replace Justus with a former nba standout that will quickly fix itself.
 

RalphDaltonFan

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Well now I have no doubt that Justus was the one telling Kyle Tucker crap.He would have landed Hunter Sallis if it hadn't been for those mean UK fans.
We're set up for a helluva '28 class though. Golden Boy's on "it". Let me ask those who believe this bull**** about Justus a simple question? If he's as coveted as we're always told and as important as media makes him out to be (because he squeals like a pig to them), why does nobody else want him? Not his alma mater last year (UNC Wilmington--which btw Cal also attended for 2 yrs and worked to get him the job hard--Justus bombed it) not mid majors. Not new HC who want elite recruiters--I mean you want elite recruiters right? At some point you quit worrying about landing spots for a guy and just cut him loose and he can go earn things. If he does, I'll give him the praise he deserves rather than have to sit back and listen to the lies and nonsense for why he blows major recruiting battles for Kentucky.
 

RalphDaltonFan

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You guys do know that JJ was the lead recruiter for guys like De Aron Fox, Bam, Maxey et al so he’s not exactly chopped liver. The others? I really don’t know what their duties are. We need somebody toughening up the guys on the inside. Thru all this late recruiting and portal sniffing, I’ve yet to see one guy that can be an enforcer, a leader, a vocal captain on the floor. Oscar is an enforcer but he’s more like a silent assassin
Justus didn't have a damn thing to do with Fox, Bam or Maxey. Not 1 and if you doubt that--you can go back to the recruiting threads where I commented on De'Aaron Fox and Bam Adebayo--and Malik Monk for that matter as I had correct info on all 3 of them. Most here went nuts and kept warning me how "bad it would be" if I were to be wrong. Everything was/is posted on boards and with Fox it was sent about him prior to him being offered or a high priority by UK due the idea they were all in on Kobi Simmons.

Bam Adebayo's recruitment was a level well above Justus ability to get things done. That was big boy recruiting. Boo Williams did more for UK in that recruitment than anyone and it was Nike vs Adidas and the infamous NC State/Team Loaded deal that had Dennis Smith JR and Bam locked up and Boo took care of things.

Maxey was going to UK all along-as was Immanuel Quickley.

I suppose some also believe that hot garbage about him landing Daimion Collins too?

At some point let's call someone's work for what it actually is--and in this case he needed to be gone-needs to go and program will be better off when that happens as will Justus. He can show that he's really a star and UK is to blame, yet every major program looking for HC or Assistants sure seems to share the same sentiment--and we're seeing him struggle to get a Mid Major or Low Major job. At some point he's got to fight through and land people who are "tough to get".
 

CarolinaCatsFan

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Justus didn't have a damn thing to do with Fox, Bam or Maxey. Not 1 and if you doubt that--you can go back to the recruiting threads where I commented on De'Aaron Fox and Bam Adebayo--and Malik Monk for that matter as I had correct info on all 3 of them. Most here went nuts and kept warning me how "bad it would be" if I were to be wrong. Everything was/is posted on boards and with Fox it was sent about him prior to him being offered or a high priority by UK due the idea they were all in on Kobi Simmons.

Bam Adebayo's recruitment was a level well above Justus ability to get things done. That was big boy recruiting. Boo Williams did more for UK in that recruitment than anyone and it was Nike vs Adidas and the infamous NC State/Team Loaded deal that had Dennis Smith JR and Bam locked up and Boo took care of things.

Maxey was going to UK all along-as was Immanuel Quickley.

I suppose some also believe that hot garbage about him landing Daimion Collins too?

At some point let's call someone's work for what it actually is--and in this case he needed to be gone-needs to go and program will be better off when that happens as will Justus. He can show that he's really a star and UK is to blame, yet every major program looking for HC or Assistants sure seems to share the same sentiment--and we're seeing him struggle to get a Mid Major or Low Major job. At some point he's got to fight through and land people who are "tough to get".
Once again @ralphdaltonfan — best poster on this board by far. Thanks again for great insight!
 

RalphDaltonFan

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Once again @ralphdaltonfan — best poster on this board by far. Thanks again for great insight!
Those '16 kids are guys I came to this board with recruiting info and had Fox's recruitment due to a former kid in MN who I met at an event that was his good friend/HS teammate when moving down to TX, I got the Bam info that he was wanting to go to UK and then got go ahead to do so and posted it. I was met with resistance and nobody had that info. Not one person. So don't want to hear of Joel Justus getting that done when I actually know how things got done. I also told everyone Bam was going to NBA when it was being reported by media he was leaning to returning. Monk was one I told was UK as well and would announce after Bam---and that happened too. It's there if anyone has doubts.

They have tried to get Justus a job for 2 yrs now. Cal like most coaches is loyal to guys who work for him and he prefers to get them another job rather than cut ties. Most coaches are that way. But at some point....it's up to the coach to grow on own.
 
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Those '16 kids are guys I came to this board with recruiting info and had Fox's recruitment due to a former kid in MN who I met at an event that was his good friend/HS teammate when moving down to TX, I got the Bam info that he was wanting to go to UK and then got go ahead to do so and posted it. I was met with resistance and nobody had that info. Not one person. So don't want to hear of Joel Justus getting that done when I actually know how things got done. I also told everyone Bam was going to NBA when it was being reported by media he was leaning to returning. Monk was one I told was UK as well and would announce after Bam---and that happened too. It's there if anyone has doubts.

They have tried to get Justus a job for 2 yrs now. Cal like most coaches is loyal to guys who work for him and he prefers to get them another job rather than cut ties. Most coaches are that way. But at some point....it's up to the coach to grow on own.
You know your stuff and anybody that doesn't listen to your insight on stuff they don't want to listen to what will actually go/goes down! Anyone that keeps thinking Justus is good for anything is crazy!
 

RalphDaltonFan

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You know your stuff and anybody that doesn't listen to your insight on stuff they don't want to listen to what will actually go/goes down! Anyone that keeps thinking Justus is good for anything is crazy!
I'm fine if they want to give him credit for things he's done and will wait to hear what he's actually done as opposed to what we're told happened to prevent what he was going to do and then rinse, repeat the following Spring/Summer for 5 yrs. At some point as an assistant you have to close. Specifically in a recruiting battle that nobody gives you a chance or is difficult. That's where he's bombed.

I'll say this--he's far from alone and when you see the payroll and what resources UK offers, Jai Lucas makes sense. So change is needed overall or we won't be talking of staff changes Cal needs to make-we'll be talking who is going to be the new HC.
 
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EliteBlue

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It’s the second time this week they’ve “slipped up”...I think it’s an intentional hint.

Matt on Thursday’s or Friday’s podcast said something similar. Something like “I’d be surprised if there is t a major staff shake up. If one of the current staff members got a job elsewhere I think Cal would welcome it. He’s loyal to a fault but I really think there a guy out there they’d like to bring back”.
 

yoshukai

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I get wanting to get rid of Barbee. But have never understood the hate for Justus. He does his job which is to be a lead recruiter and has played a big part in a lot of the guys we’ve landed. I assume it’s just people talking and not knowing what they are talking about. People love Jai because he’s new and a great recruiter. It seems people have just gotten tired of Justus.
You must be totally out of the loop if you think Justus has done a good job .
 
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yoshukai

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Antigua quickly got himself into trouble at S Florida. I know it is a popular idea around here to bring him back, but I’m not convinced that is a good idea at this point. However, I do believe this staff can use a little more tweaking. What we need is an assistant coach who can replace KP’s invaluable developmental skills with our bigs. That isn’t Antigua, but it is where we really need an upgrade.
Well he didn’t get himself in trouble here and that’s what matters.
 

JwUKFan11

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You must be totally out of the loop if you think Justus has done a good job .
Please fill me in on how he hasn’t. He has done what his job is well. Which is to be a lead recruiter and help Cal on the recruiting trail. He Is one of the best recruiters in the country that I know for an absolute fact.
 

Cawood86_rivals

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Please fill me in on how he hasn’t. He has done what his job is well. Which is to be a lead recruiter and help Cal on the recruiting trail. He Is one of the best recruiters in the country that I know for an absolute fact.
If he was the one who headed up Boston and Clarke then that tells us all we need to know about his talent evaluation skills.
 

yoshukai

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Please fill me in on how he hasn’t. He has done what his job is well. Which is to be a lead recruiter and help Cal on the recruiting trail. He Is one of the best recruiters in the country that I know for an absolute fact.
There have multiple threads on here about it . You must have a vested interest in him . He’s dropp the ball on several recruits over the last few years . You are way out of the loop if you think he’s been doing well .
 

JwUKFan11

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If he was the one who headed up Boston and Clarke then that tells us all we need to know about his talent evaluation skills.
Point me in the direction of all the people who knew they were busts before the season... some of you want these people to have crystal balls lmao
 

Cawood86_rivals

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Point me in the direction of all the people who knew they were busts before the season... some of you want these people to have crystal balls lmao
These guys get paid and paid very well to do this. To miss on two of them like that begs the question of can they do the job.
Cal has been able to find those that others missed or devalued, but he had guys who could tell the difference as well. Doesn't seem to be the case with his current staff.
Strickland, Payne, and Antigua played at a high level and recruited at a high level. THis staff now, outside, of Lucas looks lost on the recruting trail.
 
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RunninRichie

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These guys get paid and paid very well to do this. To miss on two of them like that begs the question of can they do the job.
Cal has been able to find those that others missed or devalued, but he had guys who could tell the difference as well. Doesn't seem to be the case with his current staff.
Strickland, Payne, and Antigua played at a high level and recruited at a high level. THis staff now, outside, of Lucas looks lost on the recruting trail.
Would Rod, Payne or Antigua blame the fans for losing a recruit?
 
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Wildcats1st

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Please fill me in on how he hasn’t. He has done what his job is well. Which is to be a lead recruiter and help Cal on the recruiting trail. He Is one of the best recruiters in the country that I know for an absolute fact.

if Justus were a good coach he would have a head gig by now. He’s not he’s terrible and cal can’t give him away
 

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I'm fine if they want to give him credit for things he's done and will wait to hear what he's actually done as opposed to what we're told happened to prevent what he was going to do and then rinse, repeat the following Spring/Summer for 5 yrs. At some point as an assistant you have to close. Specifically in a recruiting battle that nobody gives you a chance or is difficult. That's where he's bombed.

I'll say this--he's far from alone and when you see the payroll and what resources UK offers, Jai Lucas makes sense. So change is needed overall or we won't be talking of staff changes Cal needs to make-we'll be talking who is going to be the new HC.

A lot of posters are fired up about OA returning. Do you believe that will happen or is it just BS people are posting on Twitter? Do you believe TYTY will choose UK?
 

JwUKFan11

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These guys get paid and paid very well to do this. To miss on two of them like that begs the question of can they do the job.
Cal has been able to find those that others missed or devalued, but he had guys who could tell the difference as well. Doesn't seem to be the case with his current staff.
Strickland, Payne, and Antigua played at a high level and recruited at a high level. THis staff now, outside, of Lucas looks lost on the recruting trail.
You realize everyone missed on them then right? Recruiting services for every major website. It’s so weird to be like “Joel didn’t know these guys weren’t good”
 

wccat

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KP was making $900,000 at UK and Antigua just received a raise at Illinois and is making around $530,000 (was making around $440,000 and received a 25% increase) I do believe. I could see a nice bump in pay for OA if he were to come back. Don't believe the Illini would pay that much for their assistants.
 

Sparkaces

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On the sources say podcast last night they basically said Antigua was coming back without saying his name, what is also very interesting is they indicated Miller would come with him.
 

Cawood86_rivals

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You realize everyone missed on them then right? Recruiting services for every major website. It’s so weird to be like “Joel didn’t know these guys weren’t good”
That's my point. the guys Cal used to have didn't go by recruiting sevices. They went by what they saw and what theknew. Not what some recruting service guy says.
They knew the difference. They understood the nuances of the game. That's why UK got players like Bledsoe, and also the top kids.
 

Cawood86_rivals

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You realize everyone missed on them then right? Recruiting services for every major website. It’s so weird to be like “Joel didn’t know these guys weren’t good”
Guys that have played know when other guys can play. The guys Cal used to have knew when they saw a baller regardless of what ranking they had. Booker was a 4 star. So was Herro, SGA, etc.
 

Sparkaces

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That's my point. the guys Cal used to have didn't go by recruiting sevices. They went by what they saw and what theknew. Not what some recruting service guy says.
They knew the difference. They understood the nuances of the game. That's why UK got players like Bledsoe, and also the top kids.
Supposedly the assistants tried to talk Cal out of taking Whitney but Cal really liked him, I'm guessing he thought he could turn him into MKG.
 

JwUKFan11

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That's my point. the guys Cal used to have didn't go by recruiting sevices. They went by what they saw and what theknew. Not what some recruting service guy says.
They knew the difference. They understood the nuances of the game. That's why UK got players like Bledsoe, and also the top kids.
You realize Joel also recruited other players that were studs? It makes no sense to say that 2 players weren’t as good as you hoped so you don’t want that assistant on the staff anymore. His job is to be a welcoming presence and connect with the top players and he does it great. End of discussion.
 

JwUKFan11

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Guys that have played know when other guys can play. The guys Cal used to have knew when they saw a baller regardless of what ranking they had. Booker was a 4 star. So was Herro, SGA, etc.
You mean like Johnny Juzang? Joel was the reason he originally committed. I believe he fits your 4 star description.