Anybody know how the stimulus individual stipend will be determined?

horshack.sixpack

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How does someone intelligent enough to get a law degree (assumed because of the name) line up and goosestep down either party line (in this case, it would appear to be the Dem one). I'm not bashing at all, I'm genuinely perplexed when I see intelligent people who literally believe whatever their party (or party leaning media) is spewing. I don't believe either of them and I do believe the truth is in the middle somewhere. I'm also very careful to be certain that anything I read online and consider as potentially legit is a news source and not an opinion source. I think that if nothing else, the death of newspapers in favor of online has made it very murky where opinion stops and news starts...
 

Drebin

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How does someone intelligent enough to get a law degree (assumed because of the name) line up and goosestep down either party line (in this case, it would appear to be the Dem one).

Because Orange Man Bad.

There are things they are talking about with this bill that I don't like on both sides. There are things that I think are helpful from both sides. At the end of the day, democrats calling this a bailout of businesses is dishonest, and saying they weren't part of the drafting process in the senate is dishonest. At the end of the day, Nancy's nose is out of joint because the senate wrote their own bill. Schumer was on board with McConnell on this until Nancy called him and reminded him that his balls are in her purse.

Like the president said yesterday, this bill should be focused on helping everyday Americans who can't work because the government is not letting them, and helping businesses who can't operate or are significantly hamstrung by the government's policies during this.

It's much different than other stimulus packages where irresponsibility led to the crisis.
 

BoomBoom.sixpack

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Yeah, this is not true at all. Literally not one word of it. It's in fact a very dishonest and shameful comment. You should find a more honest news source.

It's mostly true. He's wrong to say Dems haven't been involved, but this latest bill was crafted and submitted for a vote over the objections of the Dems involved in the negotiations. McConnel literally directed the GOP side of the negotiation team to move forward on their own with crafting it, then brought it up for a vote, basically daring the Dems to vote it down. He says now it was just procedural, but I can see him saying the Dems voted for it before they voted against it if they had played along.
 

Drebin

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For sure. That is a general example where it didnt work well to give gobs of money to corporations with relatively little oversight.

Well, Trump said about three different times yesterday that he was against stock buy backs.

The whole point of this is to give businesses the ability to continue to meet payroll during shutdowns. You can't expect that everyone will do the right thing, but you also can't penalize everyone because there are a handful of disgraceful idiots out there. Democrats are calling this "bailouts for big corporations." They're making the same argument they've made since the beginning of time - that republicans are putting corporations over everyday Americans, which is a dishonest argument.

This is nothing like the auto bailout. Companies are currently not operating because the government has told them not to, so, the government should take some accountability for that.

The big issue is democrats wanting to add things like solar energy tax credits, which are ideological things that have nothing to do with this crisis. This is why the bill got derailed.
 
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So which is it? CNN or MSNBC?

zing!

So whats your view on this? Do you think all that money should go to corporations with little to no oversight and not discussed until months afterward? Or do you think those who are actually affected should be directly assisted?
How would you spend the money if it was your responsibility to create the plan?
 

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We are a representative republic so we get what we deserve. Many of these buffoons on both sides of the aisle have been living off "public service" for nearly my entire lifetime and they've never behaved any differently. They will likely die in office or step down in old age and ill health.
 

Drebin

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It's mostly true. He's wrong to say Dems haven't been involved, but this latest bill was crafted and submitted for a vote over the objections of the Dems involved in the negotiations. McConnel literally directed the GOP side of the negotiation team to move forward on their own with crafting it, then brought it up for a vote, basically daring the Dems to vote it down. He says now it was just procedural, but I can see him saying the Dems voted for it before they voted against it if they had played along.

Yeah this is not true at all. I mean, it's not even close to true. It's dishonest, but not surprising.

There were five bipartisan working committees that worked concurrently for several days drafting this bill. There were democrats going on TV networks talking about how well it was going.

aGAIN, you need to find a more trustworthy news source.
 

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Funny how your biggest fear isnt even close to mine.
Corporations have continually shown they will pocket government cash and not give it directly to all their employees.
Corporations will buy back stocks(which isnt a direct benefit to employees), invest in technology(which isnt a direct benefit to employees), and pay off debts(which isnt a direct benefit to employees).

Hell, corporations have received gobs of money to help get them thru a tough time, and then cut positions!

Why the 17 you would think corporations will benevolently hand out all the money to employees is beyond me.

And no I dont think corporations are evil. I work for a fortune 200 one that's global- I wouldnt do that if i though they were all evil. They arent evil- they are simply a construct to maximize shareholder profits and when they get a huge amount of money, it's often better for shareholders if the corporation spends it on things other than giving it to employees.



Did you even bother read reports on the proposal and how it came to be?
Come the 17 on.

I did read up... That's why I was the first person to layout the proposed details in this thread.

I understand that you are afraid some corporations are going to take the money and give it to shareholders instead of employees. I am willing to admit corporations can be greedy.

Do you understand that I am afraid some people are going to take this free money and come to expect it? Are you willing to admit that people can be lazy?


It's very easy to put regulations on the money you give businesses and tell them how to spend the money. It's impossible to tell people how to spend it. A lot of this government cheese people get is going to go beer, cigs, extravagant car payments, lotto tickets, whatever... We can't regulate how people spend the money.

As necessary as it is to backstop the people in this crisis, I fundamentally believe that it's very hard to give people a source of money and then take it away from them. None of us are going to let people starve if they refuse to go back to work or try to milk the system. But if a corporation breaks the rules we can beat them into submission.... Loan the companies money to pay employees and keep the doors open for a few months.

I know many people feel like that didn't happen last time, but we survived the financial crisis as a country and have been completely repaid plus $120bn in interest and profits from the companies bailed out.

If we give $2trn directly to the people, the only way to get it back is to raise taxes. I would prefer to invest the money into the companies to get this thing turned around asap. If the companies go out of business it's going to take 5 times as long to recover.
 

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Yeah this is not true at all. I mean, it's not even close to true. It's dishonest, but not surprising.

There were five bipartisan working committees that worked concurrently for several days drafting this bill. There were democrats going on TV networks talking about how well it was going.

aGAIN, you need to find a more trustworthy news source.

I got that all straight from here. Not that CNN is all that, but what's your source that says different?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/politics/state-of-play-coronavirus-response/index.html
 

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The Dems are blocking it to get considerations for big labor, new emission standards for airlines, and and other elements of the New Green Deal.
 

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Airline Emissions, Solar Farms and Abortion funding have nothing to do with Caronavirus.... yet that’s what Pelosi wanted.
 
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zing!

So whats your view on this? Do you think all that money should go to corporations with little to no oversight and not discussed until months afterward? Or do you think those who are actually affected should be directly assisted?
How would you spend the money if it was your responsibility to create the plan?

No one has asked me yet but I will think on it and get back to you but if you think that giving a little money to the people to buy cigarettes and beer and ignoring the corporations for three months will solve our problems you are very mistaken. Most of the tax money our government gets comes from those corporations. That being said I don't trust a lot of corporations either. I can't see giving money to pharmaceutical companies who will make a fortune on this.

I know I am using a wide brush but you are too and you are taking a side in this when I think pretty much all the politicians in charge of this have no one's best interest in mind but their own. I also think tossing 1 trillion dollars at something is irresponsible. They should talk about individual issues, prioritize them and address them one or two at a time. They are panicking and that isn't very good.
 
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Well, Trump said about three different times yesterday that he was against stock buy backs.

The whole point of this is to give businesses the ability to continue to meet payroll during shutdowns. You can't expect that everyone will do the right thing, but you also can't penalize everyone because there are a handful of disgraceful idiots out there. Democrats are calling this "bailouts for big corporations." They're making the same argument they've made since the beginning of time - that republicans are putting corporations over everyday Americans, which is a dishonest argument.

This is nothing like the auto bailout. Companies are currently not operating because the government has told them not to, so, the government should take some accountability for that.

The big issue is democrats wanting to add things like solar energy tax credits, which are ideological things that have nothing to do with this crisis. This is why the bill got derailed.


Both sides love to pork barrel things which is why thy should pass individual actions based on priority of need instead of throwing one big blanket at it.
 

Drebin

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I got that all straight from here. Not that CNN is all that, but what's your source that says different?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/politics/state-of-play-coronavirus-response/index.html

I'm watching live senate debates. And I watched the news all weekend and heard democrats talking about it across multiple networks. There was the framework for a deal in place until there wasn't.

"Not that CNN is all that" is an understatement. You should literally trust nothing they report. But my advice is to trust nothing that you hear, including Fox News. I strongly encourage you to watch for yourself and formulate opinions on rational thought.
 

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Airline Emissions, Solar Farms and Abortion funding have nothing to do with Caronavirus.... yet that’s what Pelosi wanted.

Who remembers Schumer in a very serious condescending tone telling republicans just last week to pass that earlier stimulus bill as written and then McConnell telling the rank and file to gag and vote for it. I guess old Chucky boy can't take his own 17ing advise when its the other way around. Oh hell no. That ******* and Pelosi have to try and score political points off of everything. The country can go straight to hell if they think they can damage orange man somehow. I'm almosrt expecting after this all passes for them to try and fabricate some reason to impeach Trump again over his handling of all this.
 

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100% this. This isn't on the Dems. The Senate Republicans, who don't even represent a majority of the people, drew up a bill behind closed doors that they hoped could push through a bunch of their priorities by applying public pressure on the Dems. Again, they didn't invite a single Dem into the writing process to make sure it could pass, they were just hoping that Schumer would bend over and approve any bill that has the word Coronavirus in the name without reviewing it.

Good Lord, where do you get your info?
 

horshack.sixpack

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The US needs a bill that includes where mortgage loan and credit card payments will receive a 90 period where no payments are due.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/real-estate-billionaire-barrack-says-230309693.html

Yep. I'd value the government leaning on lenders for forgiving restructuring, including delayed payments for people and businesses in need. I can't imagine being in food service and having your job literally disappear overnight, or being a restaurant owner sitting on rent due and empty seats. I'm sure there are other industries that have had a similar impact.
 

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I'm watching live senate debates. And I watched the news all weekend and heard democrats talking about it across multiple networks. There was the framework for a deal in place until there wasn't.

"Not that CNN is all that" is an understatement. You should literally trust nothing they report. But my advice is to trust nothing that you hear, including Fox News. I strongly encourage you to watch for yourself and formulate opinions on rational thought.

Well I gave 3 points of info:
McConnell instructed the GOP negotiators to proceed in crafting the bill without the Dems.
He brought it up for a vote. (Indications this may not be the same bill his negotiators were crafting).
Essentially dared the Dems to vote it down.

I've also seen that the Dems have not been shown all of the text of the bill. That they finally get to see it and find objectionable provisions that cause a deal to fall apart is not that hard to fathom.

Were these wrong? Maybe, I don't see any reporting on this I would trust, but CNN's reporting seems far more trustworthy than someone who describes the Dem position as "Orange Man Bad".
 

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Well I gave 3 points of info:
McConnell instructed the GOP negotiators to proceed in crafting the bill without the Dems.
He brought it up for a vote. (Indications this may not be the same bill his negotiators were crafting).
Essentially dared the Dems to vote it down.

I've also seen that the Dems have not been shown all of the text of the bill. That they finally get to see it and find objectionable provisions that cause a deal to fall apart is not that hard to fathom.

Were these wrong? Maybe, I don't see any reporting on this I would trust, but CNN's reporting seems far more trustworthy than someone who describes the Dem position as "Orange Man Bad".

All three of your points are ********. Dems were involved in writing the bill that you claim they weren't able to read. aGAIN....there were five separate bipartisan working committees that were working simultaneously to write the bill. This was verified by multiple outlets all weekend, including dems being interviewed and saying they were really close. McConnell gave a play by play of the whole process on the senate floor last night. Schumer was on board until the 11th hour. This is pure partisan politics that killed this bill, and mainstream media is working overtime to spin it for sheep like you to lap it up and run with it.

So I say aGAIN, turn off CNN.
 
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