Antigua returning to UK?

Blueworld_3.0

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There will only potentially be ONE assistant to replace this off-season. Justus might bolt for a H/C job but, Calipari WILL NOT fire anyone. I heard Barbee wants to be a H/C again but, who is beating down the door to hire him?
The only chance to get Antigua back is if JJ departs on his own.
 

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Would you want Antigua back as the head coach here? How about as an assistant at UK under Underwood?
 

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UK needs an assistant that is a great basketball mind, a great recruiter, and a great communicator with the players - meaning he can talk straight and firm with them and they'll know it comes from a good place with their best interests at heart. I would guess you would generally need multiple assistants to cover all the bases, but they all need to be covered. If any area is currently deficient and Antigua is the answer, then get him regardless of who else is on staff (unless NCAA rules dictate the number of assistants).
 
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All blind arguments aside

uK was recruiting at insane level when he was here and tapered off after he left. Could be other factors but he was solid IMO

Illini is a top team as he entersas assistant as well. Again could be factors other then him.
But in the end....what does it hurt to drop Barbee for Antigua.?
True K-Time but also believe part of that was the fact that the time Orlando was here also rode the coattails of the image and excitement the program had going for it overall which itself drew recruits here. Cal brought most of them with him in the beginning (along with the help of WWW) and that fed off itself and lived off the initial WALL< COUSINS class for a while on its own.

Not saying Orlando didnt help or do a good job, but as he was leaving so was the image of the one and done thing and the image that UK had a monopoly on it and you had to come here to make it. So I think a lot of it was timing that made it look like he made a bigger impact than he did and I'm not holding out hope he has some kind of special ability to magically fix his mess. Its a different climate now.
 

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UK needs an assistant that is a great basketball mind, a great recruiter, and a great communicator with the players - meaning he can talk straight and firm with them and they'll know it comes from a good place with their best interests at heart. I would guess you would generally need multiple assistants to cover all the bases, but they all need to be covered. If any area is currently deficient and Antigua is the answer, then get him regardless of who else is on staff (unless NCAA rules dictate the number of assistants).
Then you want Coach O special recuiter with bigs great teacher look at when was here and who brought in
 

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There will only potentially be ONE assistant to replace this off-season. Justus might bolt for a H/C job but, Calipari WILL NOT fire anyone. I heard Barbee wants to be a H/C again but, who is beating down the door to hire him?
The only chance to get Antigua back is if JJ departs on his own.

Cal wants to help guys land on their feet, but UK media is highly mistaken if they don't believe he's pissed off how this debacle unfolded. They underestimate how many guys who he talks with outside of UK program told him he needs to make several changes--staff and personnel wise.

My favorite things about the Joel Justus defenders-if he's so great and always has them on the "cusp of a HUGE CLASS"--how do other schools not want to get on this greatness as a HC? He'd also have no problem proving how wrong UK was and how great he is at another big, high profile program. He recruits a certain type of kid and they don't fit with what Calipari prefers to coach. Toughness is a talent with this generation of athlete. Justus recruits all lack toughness.
 

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hit piece with no details and nothing but a cracked out murderers word. Lol remember John Calipari cheated and UK would never hire him.
Key word: “accused.” #hireDA
It doesn't matter if he's completely innocent. His name has been associated with it. Would you let someone who was accused of embezzlement handle your finances? Would you let someone who was accused of certain things babysit your kids?

Plus begging in public for a job is not a good look.
 
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It doesn't matter if he's completely innocent. His name has been associated with it. Would you let someone who was accused of embezzlement handle your finances? Would you let someone who was accused of certain things babysit your kids?

Plus begging in public for a job is not a good look.
Your name could have been involved in it, does that make you automatically make guilty? Nope. Nothing ever came from it.

Umm yes, I would definitely let one of the greatest to play at UK coach my kid.

Guess you don’t believe in second chances glad I’m not a criminal and you’re not a judge, lol.
 

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Your name could have been involved in it, does that make you automatically make guilty? Nope. Nothing ever came from it.

Umm yes, I would definitely let one of the greatest to play at UK coach my kid.

Guess you don’t believe in second chances glad I’m not a criminal and you’re not a judge, lol.
Second chances are great. I really don't care if he did it. But it ain't gonna happen as long as Mitch is in charge, maybe possibly once he's gone.
 
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True K-Time but also believe part of that was the fact that the time Orlando was here also rode the coattails of the image and excitement the program had going for it overall which itself drew recruits here. Cal brought most of them with him in the beginning (along with the help of WWW) and that fed off itself and lived off the initial WALL< COUSINS class for a while on its own.

Not saying Orlando didnt help or do a good job, but as he was leaving so was the image of the one and done thing and the image that UK had a monopoly on it and you had to come here to make it. So I think a lot of it was timing that made it look like he made a bigger impact than he did and I'm not holding out hope he has some kind of special ability to magically fix his mess. Its a different climate now.
That would be the biggest coincidence in a long time then. You can see a CLEAR drop off in recruiting and on court results as soon as he left. The Towns class was hes last class he helped recruit. The difference before and after that class is massive.
 

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There will only potentially be ONE assistant to replace this off-season. Justus might bolt for a H/C job but, Calipari WILL NOT fire anyone. I heard Barbee wants to be a H/C again but, who is beating down the door to hire him?
The only chance to get Antigua back is if JJ departs on his own.
His wife said he cometh.
 

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Unpopular opinion incoming: I don’t buy the Coach O hype. If he was truly a talented coach, he would have done better at USF. His record as the head coach at USF was 23 - 55 with an abysmal conference record of 7 - 30. Even worse, USF’s team got caught up in an academic fraud scandal while Coach O was the man in charge. I wish him the best, but I’m not 100% sold on the idea that Coach O is the answer to our problems.
 
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Unpopular opinion incoming: I don’t buy the Coach O hype. If he was truly a talented coach, he would have done better at USF. His record as the head coach at USF was 23 - 55 with an abysmal conference record of 7 - 30. Even worse, USF’s team got caught up in an academic fraud scandal while Coach O was the man in charge. I wish him the best, but I’m not 100% sold on the idea that Coach O is the answer to our problems.
Yeah the lead assistant coach on this years Illinois team who signed all their key players, who would want any part of that? Oh the guy that signed all our recruits early on in Cals best years at UK? Yeah Cal should pass. I mean 23-55 at USF is horrible. I'm sure its pretty hard to recruit top 100 talent to USF as opposed to a team like UK. Antigua is one of the top 5 assistants in all of college basketball and probably the best talent scout as an assistant. Dosumo and Cockburn went from 4 stars to competing for B10 player of the year.
 

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Yeah the lead assistant coach on this years Illinois team who signed all their key players, who would want any part of that? Oh the guy that signed all our recruits early on in Cals best years at UK? Yeah Cal should pass. I mean 23-55 at USF is horrible. I'm sure its pretty hard to recruit top 100 talent to USF as opposed to a team like UK. Antigua is one of the top 5 assistants in all of college basketball and probably the best talent scout as an assistant. Dosumo and Cockburn went from 4 stars to competing for B10 player of the year.
I am sure Antigua was the total reason Illinois won the Big 10. Without him they would have been a bottom feeder. They should fire the head coach because Antigua does everything.
 

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Yeah the lead assistant coach on this years Illinois team who signed all their key players, who would want any part of that? Oh the guy that signed all our recruits early on in Cals best years at UK? Yeah Cal should pass. I mean 23-55 at USF is horrible. I'm sure its pretty hard to recruit top 100 talent to USF as opposed to a team like UK. Antigua is one of the top 5 assistants in all of college basketball and probably the best talent scout as an assistant. Dosumo and Cockburn went from 4 stars to competing for B10 player of the year.

You left out he was responsible for getting their biggest difference maker and that is Andre Curbelo. Curbelo and Cockburn are the 2 difference makers that have taken Illinois from midpack/bottom tier Big 10 team to #1 seed and hottest team outside of Gonzaga entering the NCAA's. Antigua got them both.

Having connections to several people and respect of the type of people who recruits are influenced by is important.

For those talking about HC jobs--you get to run your own program. It's why most HC try to tell guys it's about the job you choose, not just running your own program but many Assistants especially non white feel they need to jump on any opportunity given. It failed. But that would be like Nick Saban passing on Lane Kiffin, Steve Sarkisian, etc....just because they weren't great HC's and had issues. Your role is to recruit and develop and if you do that well, you are superior to any of the holdover crap I've seen here far too long. Jai Lucas was a fine hire and proved it by getting UK's best recruit to this point in '21 class.
 

Blueworld_3.0

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All I know is that Illinois' rise to success coincided with Orlando Antigua arriving in Champaign. IL.
UK's trouble recruiting elite level talent, getting stuck with head-cases and mediocre guards coincided with Orlando Antigua's departure from our program.
Now, what is the common denominator in both cases?
 
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I would want nothing more than to bring back O but yeah doubt this happens.

Also kinda odd this was said right after the game.

Def wanna see another staff change this season. Barbee needs to go IMO
I sat on this info for at least 2 months and did not share it during the season, Wanted to wait until the season was over to release it. So when it was over I let it fly.
 
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BigBlueExpress

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During the season??? It’s been in the works that long?
It has, Cal knew and had those he trusted tell him that he needed different voices on his staff. Barbee, Flint and Cal were all basically the same people when dealing with the player. Joel is Cal's yes man and Jai was in his first year at UK as a young coach so he wasn't going to have much of a voice last season. O is obviously huge for recruiting but he can take the place of KP as an alternate voice that the players can go to.
 
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If you try hard enough.