Another yard thread: Zoysia in Bermuda

[00Dawg]

So what I thought was Dallisgrass initially has turned out to likely be Zoysia. One of the tip offs was the way it stood up to Celsius, fyi. I've got a Bermuda yard (all neighbors are Zoysia). Do I have any options other than repeated Round Up and letting the Bermuda fill back in? My Googling hasn't turned up anything.

Some of the spots are small enough that I wouldn't mind this. Some are 4+ feet in diameter (and right in the heart of my front yard), so I'm looking for other options first.

 

[Xusuromohses]

I recommend letting the zoysia take over. So much better than bermuda. It chokes out everything. My neighbor has zoysia too, and I'm 'encouraging' it's growth into my yard slowly but surely with my mower.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

I recommend letting the zoysia take over. So much better than bermuda. It chokes out everything.

I second this. I have a patch of zoysia in my yard where the builder ran out of Bermuda sod and just went to another sod farm and got zoysia. The patch of zoysia is easier to mow, looks better in my eyes, and chokes out everything. Where the Bermuda and zoysia met, there seems to be a battle to the death and there isn't much movement either way.. but I'm cheering for the zoysia.

 

[CochiseCowbell]

Go with turf. If it's good enough for the dish at the Dude it's good enough for you!**

Hate that turf.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Most of my yard is zoysia,

the zoysia part is much easier to maintain.

 

[LittleBigDog]

I would bet that you actually have Torpedo Grass. Google for more info. If so, you definitely want to control it. A mixture of Drive and Monument will keep it in check. You can't actually kill Torpedo Grass. You will have to apply two to three times per year to knock it back. Good luck!!

 

[Dawg1976]

I hate bermuda. My backyard adjoins a golf course and I have 1/2 bermuda & centipede. The bermuda is much tougher to mow. But it's a losing battle, I just accept it.

 

[RingN2012]

Zoysia is best for shady spots also

 

[RocketDawg]

I second this. I have a patch of zoysia in my yard where the builder ran out of Bermuda sod and just went to another sod farm and got zoysia. The patch of zoysia is easier to mow, looks better in my eyes, and chokes out everything. Where the Bermuda and zoysia met, there seems to be a battle to the death and there isn't much movement either way.. but I'm cheering for the zoysia.

My lawn is all Zorro Zoysia, or it's supposed to be. A couple of pieces of sod from the sod farm had what appears to be common Bermuda in it and the zoysia is not choking it out. Not happy with the guy who did the sodding for that reason. It probably depends on which strain of zoysia you have as to whether it will choke out Bermuda.

I'm not sure maintenance is a lot easier to maintain than Bermuda. I still have to mow a couple times a week to keep it looking right.

 

[00Dawg]

Checked into that, and luckily it's not that one.

 

[AlSwearengen]

I have zoysia and love it. Resilient as hell. Keep it mowed short (some people let it get tall and it looks like **** to me) and it looks fake in a good way. It is so thick that weeds are zero problem. The only negative is you have to keep your blades sharp and you need an engine on your mower that has a little extra ***.

 

[WhiteShepherd07]

For those that have Zoysia, do y'all have irrigation systems? I've heard Zoysia needs much more hydration compared to Bermuda but always thought a Zoysia yard looks much better.

 

[AlSwearengen]

We have an irrigation system. We were told that zoysia does well without water, but from what I have found, the grass is much more full when it gets water regularly. When it goes without water, the blades get really thin and start losing their color, so we keep it watered. I have a friend with zoysia who doesn't have an irrigation system and his grass had the thin look when I have seen it. I thought it was a different type of zoysia, but now I think it was just dry because mine started looking like his after it went without water for awhile.

My unprofessional opinion is that the zoysia can probably survive with less water than other grasses because it is resilient as hell. It just looks alot better with regular watering. We keep ours watered and when it has been cut, it looks like a carpet has been laid over the yard.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

I used to have zoysia at my old house. In the summer when it would get hot and dry the grass would turn a dark greenish brown color but wouldn't turn brown. I would water it and it would get that nice lush green color quickly. I never sprayed my old yard because I never had to. The zoysia chocked out all the weeds.

 

[biscuit.sixpack]

pour some Dale's in the spots. it'll grow

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

Would zoysia be resistant to MSMA? Because I have a similar issue in my yard that I haven't been able to figure out. I have bermuda and a thick, broad leaf grass has started taking over one section of my yard.....I have always kept my weeds in check with MSMA, but this stuff just doesn't seem to be bothered by it.

 

[MrKotter]

Would zoysia be resistant to MSMA? Because I have a similar issue in my yard that I haven't been able to figure out. I have bermuda and a thick, broad leaf grass has started taking over one section of my yard.....I have always kept my weeds in check with MSMA, but this stuff just doesn't seem to be bothered by it.

Msma will not harm zoysia

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Any way you can take a pic of it?

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Does it look like this?

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[thatsbaseball]

Empire Zoysia from Oasis sod farm...great product from a Ms. company !

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

Msma will not harm zoysia

Interesting, I thought MSMA killed all broad leaf grasses. That must be what it is then. I don't know where it came from though....none of my neighbors have it and I have lived here for over 8 years and it just started last year, so it's not like it was in the sod.

Any way you can take a pic of it?

I took a picture with my phone, but I don't know how to post it....I will see if I can figure it out.

Does it look like this?

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[sandwolf.sixpack]

Any way you can take a pic of it?

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[DesotoCountyDawg]

Google Virginia Buttonweed

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

Google Virginia Buttonweed

The google images I am seeing of Virginia Buttonweed don't look anything like what's in my yard.....

 

[NTDawg]

The weeds in the background look like nutsedge or nutgrass. MSMA will stunt nutgrass but will not kill it. The only thing that I know that will kill it is Sedgehammer.

 

[Negative Waves]

Not to derail the subject, but are herbicides like Dismiss, Celcius, and Blindside legal for a homeowner to use in MS? I don't see a restricted use label on them, and they're for sale on Amazon. I've got some Dallisgrass, Kyllinga, and Doveweed growing in my yard, and the big box store stuff is about as strong as church coffee against these weeds.

 

[Jwsjr]

I too have a hybrid Bermuda yard. I was told that MSMA is not available any longer. I've used 2-4-D as a broad leaf herbicide but what Would I use in the place of MSMA for the grassy weeds? Have either crabgrass or dallis grass. Not sure how to tell the diff. I used Image for some nutsedge.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Look for anything that has Quinclorac in it to kill crabgrass. It will kill some dallisgrass if it's not too big. MSMA isn't sold as a turf grass herbicide anymore but if you can find a farmer friend, they can get you some.

 

[Xusuromohses]

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That's typical crabgrass brah. Probably not much you can do about it this year. Put down pre-emergent next year.

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

That's typical crabgrass brah. Probably not much you can do about it this year. Put down pre-emergent next year.

I thought it was too, but it's not.....MSMA will knock out crabgrass, but it has no effect on this stuff.

 

[dawgoneyall]

I too have a hybrid Bermuda yard. I was told that MSMA is not available any longer. I've used 2-4-D as a broad leaf herbicide but what Would I use in the place of MSMA for the grassy weeds? Have either crabgrass or dallis grass. Not sure how to tell the diff. I used Image for some nutsedge.

It is available.

 

[Xusuromohses]

It's possible that it could be St. Augustine, which is technically a weed too. Matter of fact, it looks very much like it.

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

It's possible that it could be St. Augustine, which is technically a weed too. Matter of fact, it looks very much like it.

I am pretty sure that MSMA takes out St. Augustine too.