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RutgersRaRa

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Which is so welcome. And don't forgot our 6'9" "guard," Issa Thiam. I hope he puts on some weight and Pike moves him to the 3. He would be dangerous if he developed some driving ability and low-post skills. I think he has the skills to do it, just a question of confidence.
 

ColonelRutgers

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Which is so welcome. And don't forgot our 6'9" "guard," Issa Thiam. I hope he puts on some weight and Pike moves him to the 3. He would be dangerous if he developed some driving ability and low-post skills. I think he has the skills to do it, just a question of confidence.
In no way, shape, or form can Thiam be considered a guard.
 

RUChoppin

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Forget just the top 3 guards... right now, the shortest scholarship player on the roster will be 6-4

6-4 Baker, Mathis
6-5 Kiss, McConnell
6-6 Harper
6-7 Omoruyi
6-9 Carter, Doucoure
6-10 Thiam, Johnson
7-0 Doorson
 

dkostus

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Does this wind up resulting in trouble with small, quick guards, or do we use length and help defense to make this a nightmare for shorter teams?
 

RU-Choppin-Ohio

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Does this wind up resulting in trouble with small, quick guards, or do we use length and help defense to make this a nightmare for shorter teams?

There are many Big 10 teams with smaller, fast PGs. I have been of the opinion that we may need some speed at the PG position with one of the open spots still available.

Corey Sanders spent a lot of time last year using his speed to fight thru picks to stay with opposing PGs.
 
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RUJMM78

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Does this wind up resulting in trouble with small, quick guards, or do we use length and help defense to make this a nightmare for shorter teams?
Team might play more zone like Duke did with their freshmen players.Syracuse has been very successful playing zone with tall guards .
 
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RUChoppin

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Me no understand. If your guards are 6’4 and 6’5 it is not likely your forwards will be 6’2 and 6’3.

It was the "and growing" bit that he changed. My comment was that it wasn't just the top 3 guards, but everyone on our roster. The 6 guys we have that are likely to play the 1-3 spots are all at least 6-4.
 

dkostus

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There are many Big 10 teams with smaller, fast PGs. I have been of the opinion that we may need some speed at the PG position with one of the open spots still available.

Corey Sanders spent a lot of time last year using his speed to fight thru picks to stay with opposing PGs.
I hear ya... I like that Patrick School kid. Pike seems to have a very specific vision of what he wants to do though. Which makes sense... a system game plan usually helps less talented teams elevate over their rankings. Maybe he's got a system in mind that he needed his type of guys to be anle to run?
 

NewJerseyHawk

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There are many Big 10 teams with smaller, fast PGs. I have been of the opinion that we may need some speed at the PG position with one of the open spots still available.

Corey Sanders spent a lot of time last year using his speed to fight thru picks to stay with opposing PGs.

Like who in the B1G has smaller quicker guards ???....most of the guards are 6'3" types and someone smaller is usually lightning quick, but it is not the case....there are more backcourts like RU is building, than smaller, quicker, and unable to defend or get hands up to impact the shooters in this league.

I can help with Purdue's Carsen Edwards, who was a two sport player in Texas and could play safety for a lot of football programs.....Xavier Simpson at Michigan at 6'0", who is a solid player.....

I can add Glynn Watson Jr at Nebraska, who is the one player who was actually a step or two quicker than Sanders....There are far fewer undersized guards in this conference that are smaller/quicker....they cannot play all facets of the game (rebound/defend/bother shooters).....There are more Nate Mason (Minnesota), Kevin Huerter (Maryland), Norvell (Maryland), Tony Carr at 6'4" (PSU), the guards at Michigan State are athletic and longer armed players....

That doesn't mean teams don't have 6'0" or 6'1 guards on their rosters, but they are rarely impact players....or impact starters.....You impact teams in more ways with size, length, getting arms in passing lanes, getting hands up playing zone, closing out on shooters, more than quickness....
 

RU-Choppin-Ohio

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Like who in the B1G has smaller quicker guards ???....most of the guards are 6'3" types and someone smaller is usually lightning quick, but it is not the case....there are more backcourts like RU is building, than smaller, quicker, and unable to defend or get hands up to impact the shooters in this league.

I can help with Purdue's Carsen Edwards, who was a two sport player in Texas and could play safety for a lot of football programs.....Xavier Simpson at Michigan at 6'0", who is a solid player.....

I can add Glynn Watson Jr at Nebraska, who is the one player who was actually a step or two quicker than Sanders....There are far fewer undersized guards in this conference that are smaller/quicker....they cannot play all facets of the game (rebound/defend/bother shooters).....There are more Nate Mason (Minnesota), Kevin Huerter (Maryland), Norvell (Maryland), Tony Carr at 6'4" (PSU), the guards at Michigan State are athletic and longer armed players....

That doesn't mean teams don't have 6'0" or 6'1 guards on their rosters, but they are rarely impact players....or impact starters.....You impact teams in more ways with size, length, getting arms in passing lanes, getting hands up playing zone, closing out on shooters, more than quickness....

Not sure why you want to argue this point so much. I stated that I would like to see us get a smaller, faster PG with one of the two spots still open... that's it.

Corey Sanders is 6 2" and fits my definition of a smaller, quicker PG. There are many in the Big 10 and several 2018 recruits from other schools are smaller, fast PGs. Mason is 6 2", Huerter is NOT a PG, The Maryland PG is 6'0 Anthony Cowan. Minnesota will also have 6 1" PG Isiah Washington who played very well against Rutgers last year. Indiana started 6 2" PG Devonte Green in the last game against Rutgers and his backup was 6 1" Newkirk. OSU started 6 2" CJ Jackson.

Michigan State is bringing in a 5'10 PG. Michigan is bringing in a 6 1" PG. Illinois is bringing in a 6 0" PG.
 
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