and he was overpaid at MSU

[tbaydog]

https://www.rollbamaroll.com/2018/5...e-on-a-substandard-hire-in-dan-mullen?ref=yfp

 

[o_dawgnabit]

IMHO, I do not think he was overpaid at State. Look at all the SEC coaches who have made just as much or more and have been busts and ran the program to the ground(Butch Jones, McElwain, Bert, Freeze, Eddie O). Say what you want about Dan but he kept us consistently competitive and left the program in great shape to grow. Not to mention the consistent revenue and fan support we had while he was here. So I am fine with what we paid him

Also, whoever wrote that is lazy and didn’t research. OM was not the only SEC team we beat in his first two years. I’m sure he meant to say only sec West team

 

[Dawgzilla]

He was not overpaid at MSU. Whether you want to give Mullen credit or not, his moderate success gave us sellout crowds, an expanded stadium, and a vastly improved GameDay experience. His value to MSU went beyond wins and losses (and keep in mind, I was one of Mullen's biggest detractors).

That said, I didn't think any school would pay him over $6M/ year. UF badly overpaid.

 

[Cow College]

And he said we were #1 for just one week. Loser

 

[snoopdog]

This dude copied and pasted my tweet about 51 of Mullen's 69 victories lol...

And he said we were #1 for just one week. Loser

Same abbreviations and same order and everything. For reference, I also posted on the other thread on here about Mullen saying it was the biggest game in Mississippi history with exact same list on "Don say:" thread. Not that I care, but funny the dude acted like he did his own research.

 

[JoMo MoJo]

Shiitastic writing effort

From article....”But, in the college football arms race, money really does solve your problems”.

If this is the case please point me to TAMU’s multiple national championships.

 

[deadheaddawg]

Bless your heart if you think he was overpaid

 

[Apoplectic_Objurgator]

Strickland (17u scoobadouche) didn’t settle for Mullins instead they panicked after all their top choices passed. Dirk didn’t care though .... he wasn’t Meagan’s first choice either

 

[Junction John]

That's funny as hell. SixpacksPeak making news again.*

 

[thatsbaseball]

The thing that pisses me off about this whole thing is why Mullen really got the job and is getting paid so much. GOOD LORD IF HE CAN DO THIS AT SORRY ASSED MISSISSIPPI STATE THINK WHAT HE CAN AT FLORIDA !!!!! I will go to my grave knowing that 90% of MSU's football short comings have been self inflicted by previous administrations. Bad hires, under funding and a general malaise towards college athletics were the standards of our administrations for decades and it got us a history of being known as lovable losers. I'm not in lala land and I know we're not one of the SEC elites but I also know every time we get the right people in the right places we succeed. Mullen was the right man in the right place at the right time for himself and MSU but he's not the next coming of Knute Rockne (I think time will prove me right on this). My bottom line.....It doesn't take a Knute Rockne to make MSU a winner, just the administration's backing, a good coach and smart scheduling will do the trick. We don't have to be lovable losers if we chose not to be anymore.

 

[anon1787432961]

this is an entertainment business of perception. stop trying to inject objectivity into the discussion. it's mostly irrelevant. except here on message boards, and then it's great.

 

[Dawg1979]

He was not overpaid at MSU. Whether you want to give Mullen credit or not, his moderate success gave us sellout crowds, an expanded stadium, and a vastly improved GameDay experience. His value to MSU went beyond wins and losses (and keep in mind, I was one of Mullen's biggest detractors).

That said, I didn't think any school would pay him over $6M/ year. UF badly overpaid.

100%

he did more for this school than anyone we've ever had. i hate him and will lead the egg throwing when he steps off the bus, but that is all from how he left. now i get that before him, there really wasn't a whole lot of social media and not every game was televised, but he did tons for us. so did Stricklin for that matter. i know i know, he's a raging douche and i think we should revoke his degree and 17 him, but those two guys did a lot for us.

 

[Lildoggy]

Not sure I agree that he was overpaid at all. The guy made us consistent winners, we rarely had players in trouble, and in general he represented us well. He also did one thing at MSU that had never been done before - develop a premier QB. My one and only beef with Mullen, at this point, is that he simply doesn't want to acknowledge his history with MSU. He acts like MSU wasn't part of the reason that he was successful. That is simply not the case. We invested a lot along the way and, frankly, deserve the success.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

The strange thing, though, is that I have not found a single national-level, or even regional-level, writer who has said something like "You know, Mulllen left State and Moorhead is really going to struggle to maintain the level of success Mullen had. State fans should brace for a return to mediocrity." Instead, most of the writers seem to be optimistic, which means that either (a) what Mullen did could be done or sustained by a lot of coaches or (b) Mississippi State fundamentally changed between 2008 and 2018, whether or not Mullen was behind that fundamental change. I do not really see that we have fundamentally changed enough for us to go from coaching graveyard to place to make a career. I know we've done a lot to make things better, but we were not all that bad a place when Mullen came in. I do think perception has changed, but perception is a function of reality rather than reality being a function of perception. That leaves us with option (a), meaning while Mullen is a good coach, he's not a unicorn.

I think he can get 1-1.5 more wins per season at Florida than at MSU in the long run, but that's still only 9.5 wins per year, which is not what Florida is looking for. They're overpaying. We were paying market price.

 

[maroonmania]

Not sure I agree that he was overpaid at all. The guy made us consistent winners, we rarely had players in trouble, and in general he represented us well. He also did one thing at MSU that had never been done before - develop a premier QB. My one and only beef with Mullen, at this point, is that he simply doesn't want to acknowledge his history with MSU. He acts like MSU wasn't part of the reason that he was successful. That is simply not the case. We invested a lot along the way and, frankly, deserve the success.

Mullen is the poster child for those MSU fans that really want a football HC to succeed here with MSU ties. Yes, Mullen did a lot for us while he was here but as soon as he had accomplished even minor bowl game victories he was always looking to get out of here and on to a "glamour" program. Always wanted his name thrown around for every job, even the non-glamourous ones. Only reason he stayed as long as he did is because that a lot of schools were turned off by his personality and because there aren't many non-SEC schools that can give an SEC HC a raise. Add to that, Mullen won but not at the level that drew a lot of interest from Top 10 jobs especially before Dak. So yes, it at least feels like Mullen, with his arrogance and ego, always probably thought he was a little too good for us. One thing I really like about Coach Moorhead is that, even though he certainly doesn't have MSU ties, he doesn't appear to be ego driven and even now seems very appreciative of the opportunity given to him here at MSU. Its certainly a breath of fresh air to see that out of our HC after the last 9 years.

 

[HumpDawgy]

Saying he was overpaid doesn't mean he wasn't good for our program. If you are paid in the top 15 of college coaches, you should either finish year after year in the top 15 in the EOY rankings, top 15 in recruiting rankings, or at the very least be in the top 15 of revenue producers in college football. You can't say we were any of those. All these = overpaid.

 

[fishwater99]

Been saying Mullen was overrated and couldn't beat ranked teams for years... What's new ??

Never Beat Bama and Never will...

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

if you schedule well, going 7-5 each and every year and receiving a bowl invitation shouldn’t be a tall order. Mullin was good for State, but he definitely wasn’t Knute Rockne. I appreciate all he did here, but the stage is set for the next guy to do even better. We just have to make the right hire. Time will tell, but I think we did just that with Joe Moorhead.

Joe pointed out just recently that State rarely had a winning SEC record from year to year, and he aims to do something about that. That’s what I’m talking about.

 

[bocephus.sixpack]

The strange thing, though, is that I have not found a single national-level, or even regional-level, writer who has said something like "You know, Mulllen left State and Moorhead is really going to struggle to maintain the level of success Mullen had. State fans should brace for a return to mediocrity." Instead, most of the writers seem to be optimistic, which means that either (a) what Mullen did could be done or sustained by a lot of coaches or (b) Mississippi State fundamentally changed between 2008 and 2018, whether or not Mullen was behind that fundamental change. I do not really see that we have fundamentally changed enough for us to go from coaching graveyard to place to make a career. I know we've done a lot to make things better, but we were not all that bad a place when Mullen came in. I do think perception has changed, but perception is a function of reality rather than reality being a function of perception. That leaves us with option (a), meaning while Mullen is a good coach, he's not a unicorn.

I think he can get 1-1.5 more wins per season at Florida than at MSU in the long run, but that's still only 9.5 wins per year, which is not what Florida is looking for. They're overpaying. We were paying market price.

I agree with the timing being right. We replaced LT and it should have happened 10 years before it did. Byrne was a visionary leader and got the big money on board. Mullen was innovative and MSU was a great place to implement his offense. It took DM 3-4 years to get anyone even close to being a QB to run his offense and recruit a few WR's that could play, etc.

 

[BossDawg78]

Although he was egotistical bastard, saying he was overpaid at State is just crazy. Overpaid at Florida? More than likely. But State? Hell no. Think about all that he did while he was here. Eight straight bowl games, a stadium expansion that completely transformed Davis Wade, sellout crowds, etc. Not to mention he completely changed the perception of MSU football. It's no longer considered a career-ruining job. Coaches know you can actually come here and win now. Mullen was well worth his paycheck while he was at State.