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kybassfan

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That's not the point of this board, although there are many that think it is.

You mean that’s not the point of a Cal hatin troll like yourself. Your agenda is very clear Cut-Nets or Nuts, I can never remember. There’s not an actual KY fan on the board that buys your passive aggressive snipes.

What’s really funny is that you whine about the board being for open discussion then you whine about folks openly disagreeing. You CLOD types should go start your own board. Dynasty Destroyers or something descriptive like that.
 

GoCatsForever2k15

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There are *some* legitimate worries/criticisms. For instance, I do have a concern about our ability to still land that elite, top 1-2 stud.

But complaining about perimeter shooting after one game, or who’s getting the start after three games into the season, etc......
 
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*Fox2Monk*

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How do you know? You talk to him?

I mean what an incredible response you had earlier as to why SKJ should NOT start over NR. "It might hurt NR's confidence". Wow, well what about SKJ?

The entire first part of this thread is posters discussing how good SKJ is, rim protector, rebounder, how he's improved so much. Yet no one can give me a legitimate reason as to why he doesn't start? Except because it might hurt one of the freshmen's feelings? Wow

What strand of bud you smoke hook me up.
 

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I say we put some tire and feathers on the OP and ride him out of town on a jackass. Just seems to be the right thing to do.
 
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Elliott Tim

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You're completely missing the point, yet perfectly illustrating my point.

SKJ is much improved. I'd say he's our best big. But when push comes to shove, who will get the nod for minutes between he and NR? Who will get to start?

So here is SKJ, payed his dues, worked hard to improve, is "currently" the better overall player, yet NR will play over him. Why?
Coaches decision.
 
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Blueaz

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Do you tell people in Arizona that you're a wildcat fan? Do you have to add "Kentucky" so they know or do you just leave it alone and get along?
if asked, "who do you root for?" I always say Kentucky Wildcats...
UK...some think Kansas...
Wildcats, of course they think UofA.
It's usually followed by a long discussion of how I am from Ky. and attended UK for 9 years, government sent me to Az, blah, blah, blah
 
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morgousky

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if asked, "who do you root for?" I always say Kentucky Wildcats...
UK...some think Kansas...
Wildcats, of course they think UofA.
It's usually followed by a long discussion of how I am from Ky. and attended UK for 9 years, government sent me to Az, blah, blah, blah

I had a reoccurring dream between the ages of 22 and 28 that I moved to Arizona and had a big house with a sky window.

No lie, if the day comes that I need to move to Arizona, I'm gonna freak out.
 
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ZaytovenCat

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SKJ was a 5 start recruit and didn’t play his freshman year because less heralded upper class men got his minutes. Doesn’t that go against your narrative?
Nope. He’s now a sophomore, Richards was ranked higher and you can tell Jones has never been one of Cal’s “boys”.
 
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Nope. He’s now a sophomore, Richards was ranked higher and you can tell Jones has never been one of Cal’s “boys”.
He’s not one of Cal’s boys, yet he gotten considerably more minutes than the guy you’re claiming is one of Cal’s boys? That makes zero sense. Gabriel was higher rated than both and several other starters, yet he doesn’t start. You think he’s not one of Cal’s boys, too? Several players have already been mentioned as guys who came off the bench and played great and are having terrific NBA careers as well. I guess they weren’t Cal’s guys either by your logic.
 

FrankUnderwood

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I think it sends a negative message when you have a sophomore outperforming a freshmen, yet the freshmen continues to get the starting nod. Typically most everyone would agree with that. But since its Cal/UK, and everyone is so sensitive as to any criticism of the philosophy, then all we have is bashing and "he's a troll".


No, people are just “sensitive” to far reaching , trollish and argumentative just to be argumentative behavior. Hey, if the show fits eh?
 
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ZaytovenCat

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uh, what does that mean?
It means he’s not one of Cal’s favorites. Every team he has his favorites. Some of those include Wall, Cousins, Davis, the Twins and Briscoe.

Cal bent over backwards to play Briscoe even when he shouldn’t all to try and improve his draft stock. Same with the twins their second year.
 

Col. Angus

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Becuase starting is irrelevant. He is playing more minutes per game than Nick Richards...

I wouldn't say it's completely irrelevant to guys that age. They wanna hear their name called during intros and get that applause.

But yea he's playing more and doing more. Love his production so far this season. He can shoot that 17 footer any time.
 
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Mike-D

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And here I thought Cut was making progress. He just goes full retard on ya from time to time.
 
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It means he’s not one of Cal’s favorites. Every team he has his favorites. Some of those include Wall, Cousins, Davis, the Twins and Briscoe.

Cal bent over backwards to play Briscoe even when he shouldn’t all to try and improve his draft stock. Same with the twins their second year.
The twins had already played their way to a championship game and had experience and better defense. They earned their right to start and play more. That’s a contradiction of the exact points you’ve been arguing for SKJ to play.
 

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I stand by what I said......buddy

Thats good. I stand by my opinion that SKJ should start and that he is deserving of being one of the 5 that UK starts the game with. The only argument that has been made as to why he shouldn't start is because it might hurt NR's confidence, or hinder his growth thus impacting him reaching his full potential. Yet they are getting similar minutes. What's amazing is that no one can come up with a legitimate reason as to why SKJ shouldn't start. Guess we will see tonight what the line-up is.
 
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Thats good. I stand by my opinion that SKJ should start and that he is deserving of being one of the 5 that UK starts the game with. The only argument that has been made as to why he shouldn't start is because it might hurt NR's confidence, or hinder his growth thus impacting him reaching his full potential. Yet they are getting similar minutes. What's amazing is that no one can come up with a legitimate reason as to why SKJ shouldn't start. Guess we will see tonight what the line-up is.
Actually, there have been several other arguments, you've just chosen to ignore them because they contradict your agenda which leaves you unable to argue. For instance, what if SKJ is better suited as a 6th man because of the energy he brings. I mean, you've pointed out how much he''s improved coming off the bench, why change what's working?
 

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Actually, there have been several other arguments, you've just chosen to ignore them because they contradict your agenda which leaves you unable to argue. For instance, what if SKJ is better suited as a 6th man because of the energy he brings. I mean, you've pointed out how much he''s improved coming off the bench, why change what's working?


How do we know NR wouldn't be a great energy guy off the bench.

That's the most played-out rebuttal as to why the 6th man isn't starting. "Well they bring energy off the bench".

I agree that a 6th man needs to bring energy off the bench. Why can't NR be that guy just as easily as SKJ? The answer is, he probably could. None of us know.
 
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Remember when everyone complained about Cal keeping the Harrison’s in against Wisky because they’d earned it? Now people are complaining that Cal isn’t putting in the guys thatve “earned” it. We’ve come full circle.

Can’t win.

As far back as I can remember, fans have complained about "why is player A playing/starting and not player B?" But with Cal, we just have the added dose of "he plays favorites with 'his guys'" as if some players on the team aren't "his guys." And you're right, it was "playing freshmen over veterans" except when it was "playing the Harrisons over freshmen." I learned, in 2012, when I wanted to see Teague benched and Lamb and Miller starting at the guard spots when Teague was struggling. But we ended up a much better team because Teague kept playing and got better.
 
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How do we know NR wouldn't be a great energy guy off the bench.

That's the most played-out rebuttal as to why the 6th man isn't starting. "Well they bring energy off the bench".

I agree that a 6th man needs to bring energy off the bench. Why can't NR be that guy just as easily as SKJ? The answer is, he probably could. None of us know.
Nick Richards doesn’t have the natural energy level of SKJ. It’s one of the things that has always been mentioned with SKJ. Sometimes you need that energy more as a spark off the bench. That’s not a trait that’s easily taught or picked up, which is why the majority of really good 6th men are more experienced players, ie SKJ. Cal’s and the coaching staff know those players far better than you or I. Why not let them decide what’s best? Another reason you start Richards is his height and reach advantage for the tip-off. Getting that initial possession and being able to score early is a huge positive for any team, but especially younger ones. Why would you not want the player who gives you the highest likelyhood of winning that opening tip in the game?
 
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How do we know NR wouldn't be a great energy guy off the bench.

That's the most played-out rebuttal as to why the 6th man isn't starting. "Well they bring energy off the bench".

I agree that a 6th man needs to bring energy off the bench. Why can't NR be that guy just as easily as SKJ? The answer is, he probably could. None of us know.
Also, you’ve yet to mention why you would change something that’s obviously worked well for SKJ so far? As you’ve pointed out multiple times, he’s shown so much improvement coming off the bench and is playing the better of the two. Why mess with that if it’s working? What if he comes in and isn’t as productive and regresses? That wouldn’t be much benefit. What if he comes in and plays like Richards has been and Richards comes off the bench and played like SKJ has been? Do we just switch them right back? What if we switch them and it’s exactly the same? What was accomplished?
 

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How do we know NR wouldn't be a great energy guy off the bench.

That's the most played-out rebuttal as to why the 6th man isn't starting. "Well they bring energy off the bench".

I agree that a 6th man needs to bring energy off the bench. Why can't NR be that guy just as easily as SKJ? The answer is, he probably could. None of us know.
Remember when a lot of people wanted Lamb to start at PG instead of Teague? Yeah, I do. I think I will trust Cal to make the change or not. You ever think it's motivation for both players?
 

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You're completely missing the point, yet perfectly illustrating my point.

SKJ is much improved. I'd say he's our best big. But when push comes to shove, who will get the nod for minutes between he and NR? Who will get to start?

So here is SKJ, payed his dues, worked hard to improve, is "currently" the better overall player, yet NR will play over him. Why?
Nick is getting the Bam treatment from last year and it's messing with his confidence cant breath on a guy and he gets a foul. That will settle down and you will see who the better over center is cause honestly Skj is and was recruited as a stretch 4
 

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Also, you’ve yet to mention why you would change something that’s obviously worked well for SKJ so far? As you’ve pointed out multiple times, he’s shown so much improvement coming off the bench and is playing the better of the two. Why mess with that if it’s working? What if he comes in and isn’t as productive and regresses? That wouldn’t be much benefit. What if he comes in and plays like Richards has been and Richards comes off the bench and played like SKJ has been? Do we just switch them right back? What if we switch them and it’s exactly the same? What was accomplished?


Good point
 

Dablueman

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lol. Say something positive about Cal.
You make a post that is so poorly thought out it's ridiculous. In ur eyes it's a double negative. SKJ five star soph outplaying Richards five star fresh so u think other coaches are saying don't go to UK you may get beat out by an older five star? You do know an 18 year old top 10 guy doesn't think anyone beats him out and the actual opposite is true. If Jones doesn't show this improvement then other coaches say look at how Cal has ruined Jones and isn't developing him at all. Lol what Jones is doing is making Cal look like a genius again. Because low iq fans forget how highly ranked Jones was and so has the media. So the assumption is going to be that Cal worked a developmental miracle with Jones. It's awesome. One of the best helps in recruiting in years it squashes that Cal just rolls the balls out and he doesn't develop. So I mean I guess this opposite day! Thanks for the psa almost missed a holiday.
 

Blueaz

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How do we know NR wouldn't be a great energy guy off the bench.

That's the most played-out rebuttal as to why the 6th man isn't starting. "Well they bring energy off the bench".

I agree that a 6th man needs to bring energy off the bench. Why can't NR be that guy just as easily as SKJ? The answer is, he probably could. None of us know.
Exactly....you, nor any here are the coaches. So you can state your opinion but to insistently assert that we agree or that we should not disagree is just plain...
 
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