Amazing Run for St. Peters

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They have now won 10 in a row.
Their NET was 124 and they had no Quad 1 or Quad 2 wins.
0-4 in Quad 1 and Quad 2 games.
Started the season 3-6, had a Covid break of about 25 days with 5 games cancelled or postponed, and have been 19-5 since. Holloway said over the break they figured things out.
Had to win the MAAC conference tournament to make the Big Dance.
They are the only 15 seed to ever make the Elite 8.
What a ride they are on! Absolutely Amazing!
 
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newell138

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Yet their coach appears to be the next coming of John Wooden to some on this board and will spell the demise of Rutgers hoops if he goes to SHU.
Using that logic If he stays at SP shouldn’t we also worry?
 

The RUT

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Yet their coach appears to be the next coming of John Wooden to some on this board and will spell the demise of Rutgers hoops if he goes to SHU.
Using that logic If he stays at SP shouldn’t we also worry?
It’s not his Xs and Os I’m worried about, it’s the potential recruiting impact he could have.

Major press during this run
Young
Former player
SHU guy
NY/NJ guy

Local recruits are 100% going to want to play for him.

Yes, it will be an issue for us.
 
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This is how screwed St Peters is money wise. According to this, they earned $8.1 million during this run but will only get $731k because that tournament money has to be divided evenly with the 11 team MAAC.

That is how it works. There is a chance that the conference will throw them some extra money, but in general it gets divided with all of the conference members.

Best of Luck,
Groz
 

Shelby65

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I understand the ‘free advertising’ equivalent but I don’t think it changes the school’s fortunes, no pun intended.

Are more students going to apply there now ? What does the free advertising accomplish ?

Holloway will cash in, and deservedly so. But the school ?
 

ScarletDave

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Would be interesting to examine how similar runs have affected other schools. Are VCU, Loyola Chicago, George Mason better schools since their runs? Ranking changes in US news? Avg SAT scores of admitted students? Etc
 
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Shelby65

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Would be interesting to examine how similar runs have affected other schools. Are VCU, Loyola Chicago, George Mason better schools since their runs? Ranking changes in US news? Avg SAT scores of admitted students? Etc
Exactly my point. You know who benefits ? The team the coach leaves for. The buzz benefits SHU much more than SP.
 

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Great run and compelling story. Unfortunately with Holloway probably leaving for SH and the portal I wonder what St. Peters will look like next season.
 

RUInsanityToo

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It’s not his Xs and Os I’m worried about, it’s the potential recruiting impact he could have.

Major press during this run
Young
Former player
SHU guy
NY/NJ guy

Local recruits are 100% going to want to play for him.

Yes, it will be an issue for us.

Is it your feeling that we go head to head on every local recruit? Just how many NJ recruits do you think he is he going to bring in every year?
 

The RUT

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Is it your feeling that we go head to head on every local recruit? Just how many NJ recruits do you think he is he going to bring in every year?
It’s my feeling that he will snag top NJ and NYC recruits.

Wether we go after those guys or not is irrelevant, we are going to have to deal with them on the court.

IMO SHU will be doing what we have all wanted RU to do for decades…lock down top local talent.
 

StevieB160

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Would be interesting to examine how similar runs have affected other schools. Are VCU, Loyola Chicago, George Mason better schools since their runs? Ranking changes in US news? Avg SAT scores of admitted students? Etc

From an Academic Perspective, its hard to imagine the impact would be the same. I know anecdotally the impact on Applications and the such was substantial at a few schools (e.g. FGCU). But St Peter's really is a different type of institution than any of these others.

From a basketball perspective, I think from this century so far the teams that have really made a name form being under the radar in the NCAA Tournament would be George Mason, VCU, Florida Gulf Coast, Loyola, UMBC, and now Saint Peters. The differences between most of the first 5 and St Peters is that those are for the most part much more selective schools. They are also in more desirable areas for potential students from out of the region. Also, I'd assume must casual followers of college sports are/were at least familiar with the CAA schools, Wichita, Loyola while St Peter's is a virtual unknown in many parts of the country. That is part of what makes the St Peters performance compelling.

It really is hard to see this changing St Peter's in a similar way to those other schools. For George Mason, VCU, and Loyola they've been able to upgrade conferences partially off of those runs (Wichita too).

Although it is a different type of school both being public and more selective, UMBC might be the best comparison. While it could be argued what achievement is more difficult, a 16 beating a 1 was always THE thing we were all waiting for. Everybody knew it had never happened while probably many people did not know what the lowest seed to make an Elite Eight was before St Peter's run. For UMBC, I don't think their basketball position has changed so far and I don't think it will change in the near future. Vermont dominates that league and UMBC has been in a group clearly behind them.
 

bitnez

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It’s my feeling that he will snag top NJ and NYC recruits.

Wether we go after those guys or not is irrelevant, we are going to have to deal with them on the court.

IMO SHU will be doing what we have all wanted RU to do for decades…lock down top local talent.

It’s possible. I think Sha will get his fair share but he’s not an elite coach or recruiter — not even close. And if he does what you’re talking about it’s saying that you expect SHU to become a top 10 program in the country.
 

The RUT

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It’s possible. I think Sha will get his fair share but he’s not an elite coach or recruiter — not even close. And if he does what you’re talking about it’s saying that you expect SHU to become a top 10 program in the country.
There are elite recruiters and then there are elite recruiters due to their circumstances.

IMO this is a circumstance where he will become an elite recruiter due to how everything has unfolded.

Time will tell.
 
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It’s not his Xs and Os I’m worried about, it’s the potential recruiting impact he could have.

Major press during this run
Young
Former player
SHU guy
NY/NJ guy

Local recruits are 100% going to want to play for him.

Yes, it will be an issue for us.
There are only 13 scholarships per D1 program. Not as if he can take every nj/ny athlete and freeze us out.
 

RUInsanityToo

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It’s my feeling that he will snag top NJ and NYC recruits.

Wether we go after those guys or not is irrelevant, we are going to have to deal with them on the court.

IMO SHU will be doing what we have all wanted RU to do for decades…lock down top local talent.

Seems that your main issue is projected fear or jealousy based on what Sha might be able to do in recruiting and comparing that to what RU has done in the recent past. Is the theory that RU's recruiting (including transfers) will not pick up after a couple of tourneys and a packed RAC? Top NJ recruits will be targeted nationally - so both Sha and Pike will also be up against the blue bloods. Also - programs will on average bring in 3-4 per year and at different positions. So not even sure how frequently SHU & RU will go head to head.

Let's say that Sha is able to convert SHU into a Top 10 program. I'm still hard pressed to understand how that hurts RU except to the extent of playing one head to head OOC game every year and/or things like fan message board bragging rights.
 
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HALL85

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I don't think it means anything to RU, outside of the one game we play against each other. We play in different leagues, and may go after the same recruit now and then, but how often has that happened in the last 20 years?

My only view as a fan, is I always want to be better than RU. If we are having a down year, I want you to be even more down...if we are a Sweet 16 team than I want you to be a Field of 64 team, only because it helps our NET. It does either team no good to beat a Quad 4.
 

AreYouNUTS

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It’s not his Xs and Os I’m worried about, it’s the potential recruiting impact he could have.

Major press during this run
Young
Former player
SHU guy
NY/NJ guy

Local recruits are 100% going to want to play for him.

Yes, it will be an issue for us.
Agree wholeheartedly. I can see him going after Harper in a BIG way.
 

The RUT

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I don't think it means anything to RU, outside of the one game we play against each other. We play in different leagues, and may go after the same recruit now and then, but how often has that happened in the last 20 years?

My only view as a fan, is I always want to be better than RU. If we are having a down year, I want you to be even more down...if we are a Sweet 16 team than I want you to be a Field of 64 team, only because it helps our NET. It does either team no good to beat a Quad 4.
The going after the same recruits thing is irrelevant.

If you guys (SHU) are securing top talent in NJ and NYC, that’s a big deal to Rutgers, regardless of if we were recruiting those guys or not.

The reality is, the top players in this region are often elite. Even if the top heavy guys continue to go to Duke, Kentucky, Nova, etc the worry is that the next level down are not going to go to SHU.

Whether people want to admit it or not, those guys should be going to RU and it will be a MAJOR problem for us.
 

RUInsanityToo

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The going after the same recruits thing is irrelevant.

If you guys (SHU) are securing top talent in NJ and NYC, that’s a big deal to Rutgers, regardless of if we were recruiting those guys or not.

The reality is, the top players in this region are often elite. Even if the top heavy guys continue to go to Duke, Kentucky, Nova, etc the worry is that the next level down are not going to go to SHU.

Whether people want to admit it or not, those guys should be going to RU and it will be a MAJOR problem for us.

Your point seems like fear mongering.

How many next level down NJ recruits are there in any given year and how many schollies are available for SHU? Are you really trying to say that all next level down recruits will go to SHU and none will be available to be recruited by any other team including RU? Is your theory that because Sha comes to SHU - no higher level NJ recruits can go to RU? Makes no sense.
 

HALL85

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Your point seems like fear mongering.

How many next level down NJ recruits are there in any given year and how many schollies are available for SHU? Are you really trying to say that all next level down recruits will go to SHU and none will be available to be recruited by any other team including RU? Is your theory that because Sha comes to SHU - no higher level NJ recruits can go to RU? Makes no sense.
Exactly. How many recruits have we both gone hard after over the last 10-20 years? And I don't count guys like Mulcahey because I think we knew he was an RU strong lean, so we didn't use much jet fuel. I'm sure I'm missing one or two, but have to go back to Mike Davis who was marginal at best.